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Conflict in the Middle East

For people who say I stand with Israel

283 replies

sprinklesprinkle · 22/10/2023 15:30

What does that mean to you? Especially for Jewish people who are happy to answer.

I know what Free Palestine means - it has always meant freedom for Palestinians, peace, basic human rights such as water, the right to life essentially.

I Stand with Israel - what exactly does this mean?

I am genuinely not being 'goady" to use a MN word but I want to learn & understand. I know many will say not to have Israelis attacked at a festival or for the hostages to be released but what is the long term goal for those that support what the Israeli government is doing. What do you want for Palestinians?

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Atmytethersend · 23/10/2023 00:10

Sometimeswinning · 23/10/2023 00:01

You have not. Absolutely no human could see the state of Gaza and not understand their desperation. You could not see the families and children speak about what they have lost and what they have seen and be so clueless. It’s not Google searches. It’s years of seeing it happen and not being in the least bit surprised something like this happened.

Also, you say it's no surprise this has happened? Does that mean you think it's okay after calling a ceasefire that Hamas then break that ceasefire and kill 1400 innocent people?

Rubbishagain · 23/10/2023 00:14

Maatandosiris · 22/10/2023 22:40

This is like social media soundbite bingo! What actual research have you done into the situation?

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Sometimeswinning · 23/10/2023 00:17

Atmytethersend · 23/10/2023 00:08

Oh okay, I didn't realise you knew my life. You're wrong on so many levels

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Sorry. I would assume someone who studied to a whole degree level may have some interesting points to make. Something I would have missed. Please tell me where I’m wrong.

Honestly, use Google if it helps and stop being so sad as to make out you’ve educated yourself. You haven’t. It’s your poorly informed opinion you are spouting. Go lie somewhere else where you may get the attention you crave.

Atmytethersend · 23/10/2023 00:21

Sometimeswinning · 23/10/2023 00:17

Sorry. I would assume someone who studied to a whole degree level may have some interesting points to make. Something I would have missed. Please tell me where I’m wrong.

Honestly, use Google if it helps and stop being so sad as to make out you’ve educated yourself. You haven’t. It’s your poorly informed opinion you are spouting. Go lie somewhere else where you may get the attention you crave.

I'm not lying and I don't crave attention, but honestly I have already made a point, which is true and yet you say it's not, so what is the point in me saying anything else. You're just going to disregard it, because it doesn't fit your narrative. I have no time for people like you that don't want to actually know the truth. If you want to continue living in your bubble with 'your truth' be my guest. Otherwise, bloody well educate yourself

Sometimeswinning · 23/10/2023 00:28

Atmytethersend · 23/10/2023 00:21

I'm not lying and I don't crave attention, but honestly I have already made a point, which is true and yet you say it's not, so what is the point in me saying anything else. You're just going to disregard it, because it doesn't fit your narrative. I have no time for people like you that don't want to actually know the truth. If you want to continue living in your bubble with 'your truth' be my guest. Otherwise, bloody well educate yourself

You are. Stop embarrassing yourself. With a degree, you’d probably own someone like me who just watches the news and documentaries. All you’ve done is repeat what others have said and news from mail online.

What bubble?? I’m stating my own opinion and backing it! Something you’ve not yet been able to do. Go find one of your essays from your “degree” Even better go check out Gaza documentaries. You’ll see the state it was in 10 years ago. (Hint it was Israel)

thinkfast · 23/10/2023 00:30

Namechangeagain2023 · 22/10/2023 15:39

I stand with Israel means to me that I will always support the existence of Israel as a democratic Jewish state. It also means I completely support the principle of them doing what they need to do to bring the hostages home and I support the need to eliminate Hamas.

Do not support the current Israel government who I hold responsible for entirely screwing up and tiny chance of a peaceful peace process and I do not support the starvation of innocent Gazan citizens

I will support the right of a Jewish homeland to the end of my days and also support a 2 state solution with a democratic government in Gaza and the West Bank helping them to build an infrastructure.

I support equal rights for arab Israel citizens within Israel and I believe that any Jews choosing to live on the West Bank need to do so under Palestinian rule and not colonise the land for themselves

Hear hear.

thinkfast · 23/10/2023 00:33

QuacketyQuack · 22/10/2023 16:12

How can anyone stand with Isreal after they dropped a bomb on a hospital, killed over 500 babies and children?

Israel did not do that.

Rubbishagain · 23/10/2023 01:01

Maatandosiris · 23/10/2023 00:07

As your posts indicate you think that rape, burning alive of children. Torture and beheadings are “justified” I’m not interested in speaking further with you. At this point nothing you say is worth listening to if thats your perspective.

You are clearly not able to interpret anything logically if that’s the conclusion you have come to

asterel · 23/10/2023 01:07

Rubbishagain · 23/10/2023 01:01

You are clearly not able to interpret anything logically if that’s the conclusion you have come to

You wrote just above:

The barbaric actions of Hamas or IDF can be justified.

Do you not remember what you wrote a couple of hours ago; or do you think we didn’t notice?

Rubbishagain · 23/10/2023 01:09

asterel · 22/10/2023 23:39

The barbaric actions of Hamas or IDF can be justified.

Well — and there it is.

@Rubbishagain a very apt username. I’m going to ignore you now. You are morally bankrupt and simply wrong, to hold human life cheaper than land ownership. Most people living on the Earth in history haven’t “owned land” ever in their lives, but most of them would balk at rape and murder. Your moral compass is broken; you think you’re righteous but you are a shill for money and capital at the expense of humanity. I hope at some point you grow up and rethink this truly horrible privileging of land squabbles that dominates your worldview. For one thing - you aren’t for peace or innocent Palestinians either. You’re part of the problem.

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Don’t be completely ridiculous. Typo albeit a disastrous one. Clearly meant CANNOT BE JUSTIFIED. I’m angry because innocent families are being affected. Who cares about the land when IDF and Hamas are clearly killing innocent civilians however IDF have been doing this for a long time.

Rubbishagain · 23/10/2023 01:12

asterel · 23/10/2023 01:07

You wrote just above:

The barbaric actions of Hamas or IDF can be justified.

Do you not remember what you wrote a couple of hours ago; or do you think we didn’t notice?

Obviously meant CANNOT BE JUSTIFIED

Rubbishagain · 23/10/2023 01:13

Maatandosiris · 22/10/2023 23:29

You think tying a young child to its mother and burning them alive can be justified?

Obviously meant CANNOT BE JUSTIFIED

Rubbishagain · 23/10/2023 01:15

Just to clarify. I DO NOT JUSTIFY ANY TYPE OF VIOLENCE. I am arguing to stop the fighting and Palestinians losing their homes. The use of phosphorus bombing has to stop.

LemonyTicket · 23/10/2023 02:10

I am Jewish, and I disagree with what the current government is doing, it is inhumane - regardless of the heinous attacks, spilling more innocent blood is wrong. And I disagree with many other actions by the Israeli government.

But I stand fully with Israel.

It has every bit as much right to exist as Palestine does.

And if Palestinians had accepted Israel any time in the last 75 years, there would be peace and prosperity for all.

Is it fair some people lost homes and land? Nope. But more Jews did than Palestinians.

And furthermore it was not the Jews who refused to live in multicultural equality. They were not given that option and their moral right to live in freedom and equality in their ancestral home is every bit as valuable as any Muslims.

"Free Palestine" is a meaningless statement.

Palestinians are living under a brutally oppressive, jihadi regime with no rights of any kind. They are terrorised by their own government, they are imprisoned without trial and any dissent results in death. Citizens are used as human shields, by a group of possibly the most barbaric terrorists the planet has ever seen.

The idea that this horrific regime would segue from decapitating babies and spunking aid money on weapons to offering "freedom" to anybody is objectively ridiculous.

Furthermore, Palestinians have been offered their own state five times and each time have declined the offer, as they will not accept Jews also having a state. What people are protesting for, they have rejected.

So if you want to protest for anything, protest for Palestinians to accept a two state solution and embrace democratic government, freedom and human rights for their own people. Stop pretending Israel has ever prevented either of these things.

Palestinians are not in an :open air prison:. They have an enormous open border with Egypt and the only reason they can't move freely is because Egypt won't allow it.

However, Israel cannot allow free movement because Hamas use that freedom to murder Jews. Israel cannot allow free movement of uninspected goods, because Hamas sneak in weapons and materials to kill Jews. Hamas hide in no way that this is their sole intent.

Israel do many wrong things, no question, but "free Palestine" is meaningless.

For Palestinians to be free, they need leaders who offer them freedom and protect their human rights. They need leaders who are interested in peaceful resolution rather than murdering Jews.

As someone said, if Palestinians lay down weapons and accept Israel, then peace is possible. If Israel laid down weapons, it would mean annihilation.

Arguing for "freeing" people to deranged, terrorist, jihadis who opress, murder and terrorise their own people and refuse peaceful negotiations is completely illogical.

Rubbishagain · 23/10/2023 02:16

Atmytethersend · 22/10/2023 16:13

Eh they didn't. It was a misfired jihad rocket

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LemonyTicket · 23/10/2023 02:44

@asterel your posts here were brilliant. Thank you. I wish I was following you on Twitter!

Loulou599 · 23/10/2023 04:10

@HeidiInTheBigCity
The text reads "so what precisely are those people claiming to have fled from if they cheer on Hamas terrorism?"
Well since you bring up the question....Can you answer it?

Maatandosiris · 23/10/2023 04:37

Rubbishagain · 23/10/2023 01:01

You are clearly not able to interpret anything logically if that’s the conclusion you have come to

Oh I can interpret things very logically. You wrote “the actions of Hamas can be justified” I correctly interpreted that, it tied in with your overall anti Israeli stance, there was nothing illogical about it.

You apparently made a mistake. Rather than accept responsibility and apologise this is somehow my fault, I think that says a lot about YOUR thought processes.

i am 100% not surprised

Martin83 · 23/10/2023 06:50

I think this hypocrisy needs to change, no one wants to help Palestinian refugees. I haven't seen one country welcoming refugees from Palestine. And it's purely because of the Hamas decease, no one wants to see it. All of the Arab countries behind the close doors support Israel in eradicating Hamas.

soddingspiderseason · 23/10/2023 07:37

Rubbishagain · 23/10/2023 01:15

Just to clarify. I DO NOT JUSTIFY ANY TYPE OF VIOLENCE. I am arguing to stop the fighting and Palestinians losing their homes. The use of phosphorus bombing has to stop.

Are Hamas still firing rockets at Israel? Are you expecting Israel to just sit there and be bombed by Hamas following the atrocities? Where are the rocket launchers? The problem is Hamas using the Gaza people as human shields.

soddingspiderseason · 23/10/2023 07:40

LemonyTicket · 23/10/2023 02:10

I am Jewish, and I disagree with what the current government is doing, it is inhumane - regardless of the heinous attacks, spilling more innocent blood is wrong. And I disagree with many other actions by the Israeli government.

But I stand fully with Israel.

It has every bit as much right to exist as Palestine does.

And if Palestinians had accepted Israel any time in the last 75 years, there would be peace and prosperity for all.

Is it fair some people lost homes and land? Nope. But more Jews did than Palestinians.

And furthermore it was not the Jews who refused to live in multicultural equality. They were not given that option and their moral right to live in freedom and equality in their ancestral home is every bit as valuable as any Muslims.

"Free Palestine" is a meaningless statement.

Palestinians are living under a brutally oppressive, jihadi regime with no rights of any kind. They are terrorised by their own government, they are imprisoned without trial and any dissent results in death. Citizens are used as human shields, by a group of possibly the most barbaric terrorists the planet has ever seen.

The idea that this horrific regime would segue from decapitating babies and spunking aid money on weapons to offering "freedom" to anybody is objectively ridiculous.

Furthermore, Palestinians have been offered their own state five times and each time have declined the offer, as they will not accept Jews also having a state. What people are protesting for, they have rejected.

So if you want to protest for anything, protest for Palestinians to accept a two state solution and embrace democratic government, freedom and human rights for their own people. Stop pretending Israel has ever prevented either of these things.

Palestinians are not in an :open air prison:. They have an enormous open border with Egypt and the only reason they can't move freely is because Egypt won't allow it.

However, Israel cannot allow free movement because Hamas use that freedom to murder Jews. Israel cannot allow free movement of uninspected goods, because Hamas sneak in weapons and materials to kill Jews. Hamas hide in no way that this is their sole intent.

Israel do many wrong things, no question, but "free Palestine" is meaningless.

For Palestinians to be free, they need leaders who offer them freedom and protect their human rights. They need leaders who are interested in peaceful resolution rather than murdering Jews.

As someone said, if Palestinians lay down weapons and accept Israel, then peace is possible. If Israel laid down weapons, it would mean annihilation.

Arguing for "freeing" people to deranged, terrorist, jihadis who opress, murder and terrorise their own people and refuse peaceful negotiations is completely illogical.

And your posts are brilliant too, thank you for consistently and calmly explaining the actual history and reality of this conflict. But the people arguing with you don't want to listen to reality, they have a fixed view based on Hamas propaganda and facts are not part of their narrative.

EasternStandard · 23/10/2023 07:40

Martin83 · 23/10/2023 06:50

I think this hypocrisy needs to change, no one wants to help Palestinian refugees. I haven't seen one country welcoming refugees from Palestine. And it's purely because of the Hamas decease, no one wants to see it. All of the Arab countries behind the close doors support Israel in eradicating Hamas.

Tbf I can see why no one wants Hamas to enter. How could you know the intentions and background of each person seeking refuge.

Their barbarity is so great you’d not risk it.

EasternStandard · 23/10/2023 07:42

soddingspiderseason · 23/10/2023 07:40

And your posts are brilliant too, thank you for consistently and calmly explaining the actual history and reality of this conflict. But the people arguing with you don't want to listen to reality, they have a fixed view based on Hamas propaganda and facts are not part of their narrative.

Seconded good post

MissingMoominMamma · 23/10/2023 07:46

Loulou599 · 22/10/2023 15:36

I'm not Jewish but I stand with Israel because I believe the Jews have a right to a nation and to defend their nation against terrorism

You do understand that they took that land from the Palestinians, don’t you?

Pollyputhekettleon · 23/10/2023 07:48

MissingMoominMamma · 23/10/2023 07:46

You do understand that they took that land from the Palestinians, don’t you?

Read something. Almost anything would do.