Page 7 | For people who say I stand with Israel

sprinklesprinkle · 2023-10-22T14:30:01+00:00

What does that mean to you? Especially for Jewish people who are happy to answer. I know what ^Free Palestine^ means - it has always meant freedom for Palestinians, peace, basic human rights such as water, the right to life essentially. ^I Stand with Israel^ - what exactly does this mean? I am genuinely not being 'goady" to use a MN word but I want to learn & understand. I know many will say not to have Israelis attacked at a festival or for the hostages to be released but what is the long term goal for those that support what the Israeli government is doing. What do you want for Palestinians?

feralunderclass · 22/10/2023 21:23

caringcarer · 22/10/2023 16:43

This is the only long term solution. Split the country down the middle right through Jerusalem as both sides want that. Each person/ family to choose which side they want to live on but one side be called Israel and be ruled by Israelis and the other half be called Palestine and be ruled by Palestinian's. The thing is it's hard to see anyone in their right minds wanting to be ruled by Hamas.

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This is where people have no idea what a 2 state solution means - it can't be split "down the middle" into 50:50 as that would mean expelling people from Israel and no more expansion. Israel do not mean they want to give up land when they say they want a 2 state solution - currently the Jewish and Palestinian population is more or less equal, I think about 6 million each. However, Israel 'owns' more than 80% of the land. If it was to be a 50:50 fair state Israel would need to give back land, expell some of its inhabitants and prevent any newcomers. It's not going to happen.

Defiantjazz · 22/10/2023 21:26

This is where people have no idea what a 2 state solution means - it can't be split "down the middle" into 50:50 as that would mean expelling people from Israel and no more expansion. Israel do not mean they want to give up land when they say they want a 2 state solution - currently the Jewish and Palestinian population is more or less equal, I think about 6 million each. However, Israel 'owns' more than 80% of the land. If it was to be a 50:50 fairstate Israel would need to give back land, expell some of its inhabitants and prevent any newcomers. It's not going to happen.

So what should happen then?

Rubbishagain · 22/10/2023 21:27

EasternStandard · 22/10/2023 20:21

The frustration and anger has finally boiled over.

Is that how you see the atrocities committed by Hamas?

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I think you totally missed the point I was trying to make. By continually repeating the same thing doesn’t help. I was trying to highlight what the Palestinians have been dealing with for decades and you seem to conveniently ignore that.

Pollyputhekettleon · 22/10/2023 21:27

@HeidiInTheBigCity I don't think anyone's claiming that European antisemitism vanished in 1945. But presumably you knew that. You also know that rates of antisemitism vary widely by country, and therefore the obvious impact that immigration was predicted to have, and has had, on rates of antisemitism in western countries. The problem will only become more and more impossible to evade over time.

EasternStandard · 22/10/2023 21:31

Rubbishagain · 22/10/2023 21:27

I think you totally missed the point I was trying to make. By continually repeating the same thing doesn’t help. I was trying to highlight what the Palestinians have been dealing with for decades and you seem to conveniently ignore that.

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I don’t think the barbaric actions of Hamas can be justified in any way. It can’t just be ‘boiling over’

Rubbishagain · 22/10/2023 21:32

asterel · 22/10/2023 20:41

So do you think it’s okay for men to settle their land disputes and religious obsessions by raping and killing women and children and taking them hostage? Is it fine for Hamas to keep the hostages? Should they just kill them or keep them forever, maybe marry them or keep them as servants or something? Maybe all global conflicts should be solved by some extremist men parachuting in and raping and pillaging some ordinary women? Do that and get your political demands sorted out - sounds great, doesn’t it? I can’t think why we wouldn’t stand with that.

Freedom should never be achieved through terrorism or violence. Only a few decades ago ordinary people spoke with reverence of Gandhi and non-violent resistance and pacifism; nowadays, bloodthirsty violent revolution seems back in fashion. Well, lots of Europeans were also seduced by this romantic idea in the first few decades of the twentieth century: there was no shortage of starry-eyed leftist revolutionaries admiring bloody revolution in Russia or anywhere else. (They were mostly roundly disabused of that idea after the realities of war in Europe. Are we going to get another one before we all decide again that bloody terrorism isn’t romantic freedom-fighting?)

Seems like currently, especially on social media, and especially from the young and naive (though not, of course, limited to the young), the idea that some rape, murder and violence is quite justifiable, even admirable, if you personally like the ideal or the cause, is back in vogue.

So is rampant antisemitism, anti-feminism, quasi-religious beliefs about sex and gender, and a whole shit-tonne of daft and fanciful ideas about nationalism, land, ownership, beautiful causes and the like. Hello 2023; meet 1923 (again)!

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It’s very one sided. Everyone seems to ignore what the illegal settlers and IDF have been doing for decades. OF COURSE NONE OF IT IS RIGHT. THATS THE PROBLEM. stop quoting anti semitisn at me. This is about innocent families with children being thrown out of their homes so illegal settlers can take over. It’s gone on far too long. Israel needs to release all the children being held in prisons for the last decades. Men haven’t been able to fix anything for decades

Lonelycrab · 22/10/2023 21:34

If it was to be a 50:50 fair state Israel would need to give back land

This

Teddleshon · 22/10/2023 21:36

I am not Jewish but I stand with Israel as it has the right to exist as a nation and as a homeland for the Jews. They are facing an enemy whose aim is to murder all Jews worldwide.

I also stand with Israel as the only fully functioning democracy in the Middle East and the only ME country who gives full and equal rights to women and gay people.

Rubbishagain · 22/10/2023 21:37

Weefreetiffany · 22/10/2023 20:49

They don’t have nothing because of Israel, but because they’d rather spend the aid money they do get on bombs and weapons to attack Israel, rather than infrastructure, water, power, food, jobs and secondary and tertiary industries. Wouldn’t you try to stop people who want to kill you from doing so? Especially if they were so committed to it they’d rather live in squalor just to maybe have one more bomb. Not the leaders though, they live in mansions in Qatar.

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Or maybe when illegal settlers come in and steal homes and land and Israel Bomb the open air prison every year then money is needed to rebuild and rehome CONSTANTLY. Leaders of every country live in mansions. Look at the UK. Our food banks have never been so busy. Children are living in the worst poverty, homelessness is evident and people are struggling to pay for food and fuel, yet the leaders all live in mansions!

feralunderclass · 22/10/2023 21:45

Defiantjazz · 22/10/2023 21:26

This is where people have no idea what a 2 state solution means - it can't be split "down the middle" into 50:50 as that would mean expelling people from Israel and no more expansion. Israel do not mean they want to give up land when they say they want a 2 state solution - currently the Jewish and Palestinian population is more or less equal, I think about 6 million each. However, Israel 'owns' more than 80% of the land. If it was to be a 50:50 fairstate Israel would need to give back land, expell some of its inhabitants and prevent any newcomers. It's not going to happen.

So what should happen then?

The fair thing is that Palestinians don't live under occupation, illegal settlements are demolished and Palestinians are given the right to return. That's not even open for discussion though.
The next best thing would be to do 50:50, but that will never be accepted either. The notion of Israel as a homeland for Jewish people means for ALL Jewish people in the world, as long as they can prove their grandmother was Jewish. It is not rocket science to understand that that population is not static, and more and more land will be required over time.

SoTiredOfIt · 22/10/2023 21:48

RudsyFarmer · 22/10/2023 15:44

I listened to a podcast yesterday which talked of the distinction between Israel wanting a protected state and preparing to fight for it and Hamas wanting eradication of all Jews in the area. So it’s not a case of Palestinians wanting peace, its much more than that.

Exactly. So much more complicated. People should bloody well butt out if they have no understanding of this decades old conflict. Stop showing your ignorance.

There are no winners on either side. Normal people on both sides have reason to be bitter and feel sadness & rage.

It's heartbreaking.

SoTiredOfIt · 22/10/2023 21:50

Namechangeagain2023 · 22/10/2023 15:39

I stand with Israel means to me that I will always support the existence of Israel as a democratic Jewish state. It also means I completely support the principle of them doing what they need to do to bring the hostages home and I support the need to eliminate Hamas.

Do not support the current Israel government who I hold responsible for entirely screwing up and tiny chance of a peaceful peace process and I do not support the starvation of innocent Gazan citizens

I will support the right of a Jewish homeland to the end of my days and also support a 2 state solution with a democratic government in Gaza and the West Bank helping them to build an infrastructure.

I support equal rights for arab Israel citizens within Israel and I believe that any Jews choosing to live on the West Bank need to do so under Palestinian rule and not colonise the land for themselves

Agree with these sentiments.

Rubbishagain · 22/10/2023 21:51

asterel · 22/10/2023 21:06

If that’s really what it means, then why haven’t the Palestinians got a state by now? This has been offered over and over again during the last fifty years, as long as the terrorist attacks on Israel stop, and the Palestinians and the Arab world recognises a two-state solution?

What’s your answer for why it hasn’t happened already, if they only want peace and a Palestinian state?

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Why have the illegal settlers continued to steal land and homes? Why has Gaza shrunk in size over the past decades. Why doesn’t Israel allow aid in by sea to Palestine without attacking it. Why are children put in prison? How are small children a threat? It’s definitely not one sided.

asterel · 22/10/2023 22:01

In the same vein, I am truly astonished at all the staunch allies and true friends the state of Israel seems to have all of a sudden! And how saddened and deeply concerned your friendly neighbourhood rabid racist suddenly seems to be by anti-semitism.

@HeidiInTheBigCity that’s a pretty nasty claim. I’m concerned at the massive upsurge of antisemitism; my Jewish friends, all left-liberal and pro-peace, are terrified. Are you saying that we’re all “rabid racists” to be concerned? If anything, the rabid racists seem to be all for it.

I have Jewish friends who were due to visit this week from Germany, and have cancelled in fear, feeling safer in Germany than anywhere else at the moment. Yes, that might be a nice historical irony for you to chuckle at. It’s not very surprising, though, is it? Germans are in general pretty aware of the long history of Judaism and antisemitism, the history of Israel, etc. They are aware because they are taught it and it’s part of the national culture now. Whereas the majority of anti-Israel posters on here, Twitter and elsewhere not only haven’t got the foggiest about the actual history, but lap up all sorts of uncritical and unevidenced nonsense sloshing around social media, unaware that they are basically recycling age-old antisemitic tropes that have been knocking around since the 1860s (or even since the Middle Ages).

Even in the 90s I remember in my student days, people could argue the issues around this with a degree of knowledge. Now it all seems taken from Twitter memes about “settler colonialism” with vanishingly little sense of detail about any of it. “Research” means watching a TV programme or a YouTube video. It’s all a game of virtue-signalling, increasingly disconnected from reality, and no critical thinking in sight (unless you’re debunking the “other side”’s “intelligence” - then suddenly everyone is an amateur intercept artist and worldly sceptic. Of course, how can you trust the Canadian government or the “MSM”! But some rando on Twitter is definitely in the know!)

What I don’t see is any sense of consequences. Does anyone really think Hamas’s only choice for peace was bloody terrorism? Err, no. They could go back to the table at any time, and would have global support to do so; indeed operatives were boasting in televised interviews that they had been lulling Israel into a false sense of security by pretending to be moving towards peace, whilst actually planning the attack.) Does anyone believe that there isn’t a strong strain of genuinely rabid antisemitism in many extremist Muslim groups? (Well, you can try to pretend, but it’s not going to be convincing: it‘a right out there.) Does anyone educated on the British left really not know what they are allying themselves with when they go to marches shouting antisemitic slogans? What do you think?

What’s the end goal here? Who genuinely thinks that the Oct 7 massacre was justified, or a great beautiful freedom fight, if they don’t idolise a leetle bit of rape and murder as long as it sounds justified, and is happening to people far away who they think might deserve to have their toddlers murdered? Or deserve to sit in Germany seeing the broken body of their dead daughter being paraded on the back of a terrorist truck?

And if they don’t think terrorism and murder is justified, why aren’t more people on those marches saying so? Is “I don’t condone terrorism but support a ceasefire, an international peace process and the return of all hostages” just not as snappy as “from the river to the sea”?

SliceOfBread · 22/10/2023 22:02

QuacketyQuack · 22/10/2023 16:32

@MrsFinkelstein Isreal most certainly did drop a bomb on that hospital! You clearly believe the isreal propaganda.
Isreal repeatedly break international law. There is no justifiable excuse for that.

Ah yes, that famous Israel propaganda outlet al.jazeera who are now reporting it as a Hamas misfire…

Pebblesaresilver · 22/10/2023 22:03

I am Jewish and stand with Israel, as I believe it has a right to protect itself. But i do not agree with how the Israeli government is acting. And I am absolutely against the bombing of civilians in Gaza. However, a majority of the ‘Pro Palestine’ supporters are probably not against the terror acts of Hamas and would probably quite like to see me and my family annihilated. And not only Jews, but Christians, gay people, transexuals …anyone who is not a believer. This is what frightens me …

asterel · 22/10/2023 22:03

Rubbishagain · 22/10/2023 21:51

Why have the illegal settlers continued to steal land and homes? Why has Gaza shrunk in size over the past decades. Why doesn’t Israel allow aid in by sea to Palestine without attacking it. Why are children put in prison? How are small children a threat? It’s definitely not one sided.

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I don’t think anyone thinks it’s one-sided. But is terrorism justified by land disputes? I don’t own any land. I rent my house. Should I be out pillaging and shooting people to get my grandmother’s house back? Funny that all sorts of refugees and displaced peoples manage not to blow up kids no matter what they’ve gone through.

soddingspiderseason · 22/10/2023 22:05

asterel · 22/10/2023 22:01

In the same vein, I am truly astonished at all the staunch allies and true friends the state of Israel seems to have all of a sudden! And how saddened and deeply concerned your friendly neighbourhood rabid racist suddenly seems to be by anti-semitism.

@HeidiInTheBigCity that’s a pretty nasty claim. I’m concerned at the massive upsurge of antisemitism; my Jewish friends, all left-liberal and pro-peace, are terrified. Are you saying that we’re all “rabid racists” to be concerned? If anything, the rabid racists seem to be all for it.

I have Jewish friends who were due to visit this week from Germany, and have cancelled in fear, feeling safer in Germany than anywhere else at the moment. Yes, that might be a nice historical irony for you to chuckle at. It’s not very surprising, though, is it? Germans are in general pretty aware of the long history of Judaism and antisemitism, the history of Israel, etc. They are aware because they are taught it and it’s part of the national culture now. Whereas the majority of anti-Israel posters on here, Twitter and elsewhere not only haven’t got the foggiest about the actual history, but lap up all sorts of uncritical and unevidenced nonsense sloshing around social media, unaware that they are basically recycling age-old antisemitic tropes that have been knocking around since the 1860s (or even since the Middle Ages).

Even in the 90s I remember in my student days, people could argue the issues around this with a degree of knowledge. Now it all seems taken from Twitter memes about “settler colonialism” with vanishingly little sense of detail about any of it. “Research” means watching a TV programme or a YouTube video. It’s all a game of virtue-signalling, increasingly disconnected from reality, and no critical thinking in sight (unless you’re debunking the “other side”’s “intelligence” - then suddenly everyone is an amateur intercept artist and worldly sceptic. Of course, how can you trust the Canadian government or the “MSM”! But some rando on Twitter is definitely in the know!)

What I don’t see is any sense of consequences. Does anyone really think Hamas’s only choice for peace was bloody terrorism? Err, no. They could go back to the table at any time, and would have global support to do so; indeed operatives were boasting in televised interviews that they had been lulling Israel into a false sense of security by pretending to be moving towards peace, whilst actually planning the attack.) Does anyone believe that there isn’t a strong strain of genuinely rabid antisemitism in many extremist Muslim groups? (Well, you can try to pretend, but it’s not going to be convincing: it‘a right out there.) Does anyone educated on the British left really not know what they are allying themselves with when they go to marches shouting antisemitic slogans? What do you think?

What’s the end goal here? Who genuinely thinks that the Oct 7 massacre was justified, or a great beautiful freedom fight, if they don’t idolise a leetle bit of rape and murder as long as it sounds justified, and is happening to people far away who they think might deserve to have their toddlers murdered? Or deserve to sit in Germany seeing the broken body of their dead daughter being paraded on the back of a terrorist truck?

And if they don’t think terrorism and murder is justified, why aren’t more people on those marches saying so? Is “I don’t condone terrorism but support a ceasefire, an international peace process and the return of all hostages” just not as snappy as “from the river to the sea”?

Well said.

HeidiInTheBigCity · 22/10/2023 22:07

asterel · 22/10/2023 22:01

In the same vein, I am truly astonished at all the staunch allies and true friends the state of Israel seems to have all of a sudden! And how saddened and deeply concerned your friendly neighbourhood rabid racist suddenly seems to be by anti-semitism.

@HeidiInTheBigCity that’s a pretty nasty claim. I’m concerned at the massive upsurge of antisemitism; my Jewish friends, all left-liberal and pro-peace, are terrified. Are you saying that we’re all “rabid racists” to be concerned? If anything, the rabid racists seem to be all for it.

I have Jewish friends who were due to visit this week from Germany, and have cancelled in fear, feeling safer in Germany than anywhere else at the moment. Yes, that might be a nice historical irony for you to chuckle at. It’s not very surprising, though, is it? Germans are in general pretty aware of the long history of Judaism and antisemitism, the history of Israel, etc. They are aware because they are taught it and it’s part of the national culture now. Whereas the majority of anti-Israel posters on here, Twitter and elsewhere not only haven’t got the foggiest about the actual history, but lap up all sorts of uncritical and unevidenced nonsense sloshing around social media, unaware that they are basically recycling age-old antisemitic tropes that have been knocking around since the 1860s (or even since the Middle Ages).

Even in the 90s I remember in my student days, people could argue the issues around this with a degree of knowledge. Now it all seems taken from Twitter memes about “settler colonialism” with vanishingly little sense of detail about any of it. “Research” means watching a TV programme or a YouTube video. It’s all a game of virtue-signalling, increasingly disconnected from reality, and no critical thinking in sight (unless you’re debunking the “other side”’s “intelligence” - then suddenly everyone is an amateur intercept artist and worldly sceptic. Of course, how can you trust the Canadian government or the “MSM”! But some rando on Twitter is definitely in the know!)

What I don’t see is any sense of consequences. Does anyone really think Hamas’s only choice for peace was bloody terrorism? Err, no. They could go back to the table at any time, and would have global support to do so; indeed operatives were boasting in televised interviews that they had been lulling Israel into a false sense of security by pretending to be moving towards peace, whilst actually planning the attack.) Does anyone believe that there isn’t a strong strain of genuinely rabid antisemitism in many extremist Muslim groups? (Well, you can try to pretend, but it’s not going to be convincing: it‘a right out there.) Does anyone educated on the British left really not know what they are allying themselves with when they go to marches shouting antisemitic slogans? What do you think?

What’s the end goal here? Who genuinely thinks that the Oct 7 massacre was justified, or a great beautiful freedom fight, if they don’t idolise a leetle bit of rape and murder as long as it sounds justified, and is happening to people far away who they think might deserve to have their toddlers murdered? Or deserve to sit in Germany seeing the broken body of their dead daughter being paraded on the back of a terrorist truck?

And if they don’t think terrorism and murder is justified, why aren’t more people on those marches saying so? Is “I don’t condone terrorism but support a ceasefire, an international peace process and the return of all hostages” just not as snappy as “from the river to the sea”?

I realise it is nasty. Very nasty!

And yet, within the specific context I was referring to, it is true and it is happening!

People on social media are, literally, posting "we need to get rid of those anti-semites - the only solution is: vote AfD!"

HeidiInTheBigCity · 22/10/2023 22:11

HeidiInTheBigCity · 22/10/2023 22:07

I realise it is nasty. Very nasty!

And yet, within the specific context I was referring to, it is true and it is happening!

People on social media are, literally, posting "we need to get rid of those anti-semites - the only solution is: vote AfD!"

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Point in case (not specifically bemoaning antisemitism in this case - but they do)!

The text reads "so what precisely are those people claiming to have fled from if they cheer on Hamas terrorism?"

Just your bog-standard, disgusting rabid racism - instrumentalising the absolute tragedy that is the I/P conflict to further their vile agenda!

VERY IMPORTANT SIDE-NOTE: none of this is to say we should take no stance against actual anti-semitism. We should. We MUST!

But, surely, for the exact same reasons, we must also oppose its instrumentalisation by the far right! Those people are no friends to Jews!

Maatandosiris · 22/10/2023 22:26

asterel · 22/10/2023 22:01

In the same vein, I am truly astonished at all the staunch allies and true friends the state of Israel seems to have all of a sudden! And how saddened and deeply concerned your friendly neighbourhood rabid racist suddenly seems to be by anti-semitism.

@HeidiInTheBigCity that’s a pretty nasty claim. I’m concerned at the massive upsurge of antisemitism; my Jewish friends, all left-liberal and pro-peace, are terrified. Are you saying that we’re all “rabid racists” to be concerned? If anything, the rabid racists seem to be all for it.

I have Jewish friends who were due to visit this week from Germany, and have cancelled in fear, feeling safer in Germany than anywhere else at the moment. Yes, that might be a nice historical irony for you to chuckle at. It’s not very surprising, though, is it? Germans are in general pretty aware of the long history of Judaism and antisemitism, the history of Israel, etc. They are aware because they are taught it and it’s part of the national culture now. Whereas the majority of anti-Israel posters on here, Twitter and elsewhere not only haven’t got the foggiest about the actual history, but lap up all sorts of uncritical and unevidenced nonsense sloshing around social media, unaware that they are basically recycling age-old antisemitic tropes that have been knocking around since the 1860s (or even since the Middle Ages).

Even in the 90s I remember in my student days, people could argue the issues around this with a degree of knowledge. Now it all seems taken from Twitter memes about “settler colonialism” with vanishingly little sense of detail about any of it. “Research” means watching a TV programme or a YouTube video. It’s all a game of virtue-signalling, increasingly disconnected from reality, and no critical thinking in sight (unless you’re debunking the “other side”’s “intelligence” - then suddenly everyone is an amateur intercept artist and worldly sceptic. Of course, how can you trust the Canadian government or the “MSM”! But some rando on Twitter is definitely in the know!)

What I don’t see is any sense of consequences. Does anyone really think Hamas’s only choice for peace was bloody terrorism? Err, no. They could go back to the table at any time, and would have global support to do so; indeed operatives were boasting in televised interviews that they had been lulling Israel into a false sense of security by pretending to be moving towards peace, whilst actually planning the attack.) Does anyone believe that there isn’t a strong strain of genuinely rabid antisemitism in many extremist Muslim groups? (Well, you can try to pretend, but it’s not going to be convincing: it‘a right out there.) Does anyone educated on the British left really not know what they are allying themselves with when they go to marches shouting antisemitic slogans? What do you think?

What’s the end goal here? Who genuinely thinks that the Oct 7 massacre was justified, or a great beautiful freedom fight, if they don’t idolise a leetle bit of rape and murder as long as it sounds justified, and is happening to people far away who they think might deserve to have their toddlers murdered? Or deserve to sit in Germany seeing the broken body of their dead daughter being paraded on the back of a terrorist truck?

And if they don’t think terrorism and murder is justified, why aren’t more people on those marches saying so? Is “I don’t condone terrorism but support a ceasefire, an international peace process and the return of all hostages” just not as snappy as “from the river to the sea”?

This sums up the position perfectly

Pollyputhekettleon · 22/10/2023 22:26

@HeidiInTheBigCity

I don't know why you're taking a slogan on a placard as representative of the argument. Well, no, I do, but anyway.

As I said above, you know that rates of antisemitism vary widely by country, and therefore you know the obvious impact that immigration was predicted to have, has had, and will increasingly have on rates of antisemitism in western countries.

Many people, both Jews and non-Jews, have understood that for some time, and more are grasping reality daily. No amount of expressions of disgust and name-calling is going to make that go away.

Martin83 · 22/10/2023 22:28

I stand with Israel!
We should all understand that they are fighting to save Western Civilization!

Maatandosiris · 22/10/2023 22:28

Rubbishagain · 22/10/2023 21:37

Or maybe when illegal settlers come in and steal homes and land and Israel Bomb the open air prison every year then money is needed to rebuild and rehome CONSTANTLY. Leaders of every country live in mansions. Look at the UK. Our food banks have never been so busy. Children are living in the worst poverty, homelessness is evident and people are struggling to pay for food and fuel, yet the leaders all live in mansions!

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Why are they “ illegal settlers” Israel basically occupies the kingdom of Israel and Judah from which they were exiled. They are returning to their homeland

Maatandosiris · 22/10/2023 22:40

Rubbishagain · 22/10/2023 20:18

Israel has kept Palestinians in the largest open air prison. They have no way in and no way out. They have nothing. Settlers keep stealing their land so Gaza has drastically reduced in size over the past decades. IDF constantly arrest small children and imprison them. Palestinians are constantly attacked by settlers and their homes and businesses destroyed. The frustration and anger has finally boiled over. These people have nothing compared to Israelis living in luxury and having the most powerful army. Israel are now indiscriminately killing innocent children and destroying whatever these poor people had.

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This is like social media soundbite bingo! What actual research have you done into the situation?