To think it’s turning into genocide in real time part 2

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First thread here but it’s full
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4918938-to-think-its-turning-into-genocide-in-real-time?page=1

Medical Aid to Palestine posted this thread on facebook describing the scenes in Gaza as being like the last days of humanity with one of their staff members having to search through piles of bodies to find his 13 year old niece https://www.facebook.com/100064712829372/posts/pfbid028yxpzimtA3apA6CSs8dEhJBd16rYUQR6QjFidEpwRCZzPVYoeJezX8nDrtZP2UZRl/?app=fbl

The main stream press aren’t really addressing the horror of what is happening (bar maybe Channel 4 news and Al Jazeera) - it’s a sanitised version.

As I said in the original thread, there has been absolute horror on both sides but the Israeli government are inflicting collective punishment on the people of Gaza, which is a war crime under international law.

I still feel we are watching genocide in real time.

The professors at Columbia say it better than I can but I whole heartedly agree with their letter: (as the quote won't seem to post edited to add link, https://twitter.com/wesyang/status/1719557102639665192)

I’ll sum that up in my words.
Innocent civilians were maimed and killed on October 7th and continue to be maimed and killed now. It’s all a tragedy but the Israeli civilians are more important and valid and should remain uppermost in everyone’s minds.

Believe it or not, I perfectly understand why those Israeli lives are most important to Israelis. Of course they are!

But the Israeli government should acknowledge that to the rest of the world the Palestinian lives are just as important. No more, no less.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzHF3SrLXKU/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

This is Miko Peled son of Israeli General Mattiyahu Peled talking about an attack by Israel on gaza in 2008. It was planned for exactly 11:25 am as all the children would be changing from schools at this time. 100 tonnes of bombs where dropped.

Israel have form for this.

Why would they be scared for their academic careers?

"But the Israeli government should acknowledge that to the rest of the world the Palestinian lives are just as important. No more, no less."

Why should the Israeli be answerable to you?

Israel's job is to look after the welfare of it's citizens, not to give soundbites that fit your mindset.

It's Hamas' job to look after its own citizens and we all know how that pans out don't we?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/top-hamas-official-claims-group-is-not-responsible-for-defending-gazan-civilians/

Oh ok so it's not that you thought, before doing a quick Google, that the university was run by a Jew? Good.

Do you not think it's possible that people wrote something because they believe it? Does that not seem more likely?

Israel's most powerful ally has certainly had a change in tone since the start of the war.
From starting with you can do whatever you want to defend yourself to now re-iterating that care must be taken in avoiding civilian deaths.
America is surely starting to feel the heat, especially as the UN continues to warn that this could be fast turning into a genocide
But once again it's too little, too late

America could make Israel let aid into Gaza by making continued arms supply contingent on it but they won't. I understand that under ordinary circumstances such a public statement would be important but the US has form for letting Israel get away with doing whatever they like so I don't expect it to make a difference.

The USS Liberty incident in 1967 taught Israel that the US will never sanction them for actions which break international law.

Oh yes
I have no doubt it was empty words, firstly as the pressure grows on them from American citizens and secondly from the UN
They are only covering their own backs so in future they can point out that we did tell them, not our fault if they didn't listen

IDF reporting that they have encircled Gaza city. God help the civilians remaining there.

“Israel's job is to look after the welfare of it's citizens, not to give soundbites that fit your mindset.

It's Hamas' job to look after its own citizens and we all know how that pans out don't we?”

@mydiaryisfull the gaslighting here is actually incredible. Maybe is Israel stops dropping bombs on schools, refugee camps, hospitals, homes etc etc then civilians could be protected.

By the logic you’ve used, in an narcissistic abusive relationship - the victim is to blame.

Some pretty convoluted logic at work here, it seems.

Maybe if Hamas hadn't created a massacre of peaceful Israeli citizens then they wouldn't be in this mess.

It isn't Israel's job to protect Gazan's citizens - that Hamas' job, as they are the government.
If Hamas choose to steal aid and supplies from their citizens and use them as 'human shields', then that isn't the IDF's problem.

The Gazans have already been advised to move south, away from the military area.

It's not as simple or black and white as you may see it to be
Under Humanatarian law israel cannot impede on aid coming into Gaza. Which it did at the start of the war and continues to be a obstacle in sufficient aid coming in now
You can yell But Hamas all you want
It still has to allow the aid in
Why do you think israels most powerful ally made a specific trip to Israel today to re-iterate this message

The Gazans have already been advised to move south, away from the military area.

I just saw a horrible video of the bodies of Palestinian people lying dead on the road with their bags scattered around them. They were trying to move south and the IDF killed them. If only it was as simple as 'move south'.

@mydiaryisfull
Since the start of the war this is probably the strongest statement so far by America
Hinting that the tone is shifting and there is some real concern on the way Israel is operating in this war

@mydiaryisfull do why is Israel bombing people in the south?

Do you watch the news?

Same
It's horrific
Blown to pieces and many were children

It's utterly sickening that people keep repeating that Gazans have been advised to move south. There is nowhere safe for them to go and they cannot get out. The IDF have isolated Gaza city locking civilians there into an even smaller, rubble strewn prison.

Only a sick human, devoid of all empathy would continue to claim that the civilian population are too stupid or stubborn to move.

As for the claim Hamas are preventing them leaving; if you had a nice secure bunker with a tunnel network with plenty of supplies I doubt you'd be above ground directing traffic whilst bombs were raining down FFS.

The arguments are always the same:

• Israel has the right to defend itself
• but the IDF told them to move south
• they could have left because the IDF warned that X/Y/Z areas were targets
• ok so people might not have been able to move, but that's because of Hamas
• ok so this that did move south also ended up getting bombed to death after they were told to go there to safety... But
• It's unfortunate civilians die but what's the IDF to do? Hamas are hiding with civilians.
• Hamas! Human shields. the IDF have no choice. It's war.
• Palestinian civilians are collateral damage. The IDF doesn't want to kill thousands of them and displace huge numbers of them, but what can they do? It's just unfortunate.
• Something full of hyperbole and extra long reaching to suggest anyone wanting an end to mindless bloodshed and respect for civilian lives is against Israel existing as a state.
• Please don't ask if the IDF would wipe out civilians if Hamas were using other ethnic groups as human shields because that's irrelevant. Definitely don't ask any awkward questions like that.

BBC verify have done an interesting article showing how many times civilians were told to move to places for their safe only for those places to be attacked.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67264703

They’re not answerable to me but they can’t seem to understand why everyone isn’t happy to see Israel “defending itself”.
I’m just stating the obvious as to why that is.