To think it’s turning into genocide in real time part 2

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First thread here but it’s full
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4918938-to-think-its-turning-into-genocide-in-real-time?page=1

Medical Aid to Palestine posted this thread on facebook describing the scenes in Gaza as being like the last days of humanity with one of their staff members having to search through piles of bodies to find his 13 year old niece https://www.facebook.com/100064712829372/posts/pfbid028yxpzimtA3apA6CSs8dEhJBd16rYUQR6QjFidEpwRCZzPVYoeJezX8nDrtZP2UZRl/?app=fbl

The main stream press aren’t really addressing the horror of what is happening (bar maybe Channel 4 news and Al Jazeera) - it’s a sanitised version.

As I said in the original thread, there has been absolute horror on both sides but the Israeli government are inflicting collective punishment on the people of Gaza, which is a war crime under international law.

I still feel we are watching genocide in real time.

As far as I understand the Egyptians don't want Gaza or the Palestinian people in it because of the administrative headache that comes along with it, plus the UNWRA money that pays for refugees in Palestine would dry up and they would become the problem of Egypt. Egypt fought to expel the Muslim Brotherhood didn't they? At one point were they even thinking of getting rid of the Sinai to try get rid of the problem? (Hamas broke off from MB and Egypt still struggle with Hamas building tunnels and funnelling arms through these and inflicting terrorist acts on Egypt sometimes).

I'd say Egypt probably knows it's best not to make an enemy out of Israel too, because then who else are you making an enemy of? This could explain why they didn't take advantage of the natural resources but who knows? Plus Gaza is quite a long way from Cairo so building the infrastructure to pipe it in would be a mare. I'm not sure how populated the area near the Rafah border is?

I think the point that if Hamas released the hostages, surrendered themselves to Israel to face trial, Israel then destroy all the arms and tunnels and military infrastructure of Hamas so there couldn't be further militant action then there would be peace for Palestinians is a struggle for people to trust so they are looking for other explanations. Trust in Israel as a state and Hamas as Islamic jihadists is so low that nobody will trust that Palestinians will be safe either way. The Arab world doesn't want them either - they just seem like pawns in a geo political sense, hence why I think people feel a lot of empathy and you are seeing empathic distress and emotion on these threads.

The problem is. You end up pushing the Palestinians into another country. One, israel win, they got their land and Palestinians are gone.
Two, not all Arabs are the same. You end up with a huge refugee camp in Egypt and then after a few years there will be conflict due to costs, housing, culture clashes etc
Three, why should Palestinians leave their homes?

@Weddingpuzzle even if that also to happen. It wouldn't be long and israel would find another excuse. There's no hamas on the west bank yet we have seen in the past kids shot and killed.

It was never about hamas. If they want to get rid of hamas they could do it very easily with minimal damage with all their tech and machinery.

Netanyahu has literally showed his plan for the new Middle East. Its not going to end even if they had every hamas member and supporter dead. It just won't.

Hamas tried to give hostages back at one point and israel refused them I believe. I am going to double check that though

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2023/10/21/hamas-says-israel-refused-to-receive-2-hostages-israel-calls-it-propaganda

Is really refused them saying it was propaganda. I wander how the family of those hostage feel knowing that their government refused their return because they didn't want the propaganda....

Or the fact the israeli Armys literally bombed and shelled hostages with hamas in their homes instead of dealing with hamas.

I think the families of the hostages must have sussed out their government dont care about them by now, they are being used as pawns

The whole international world will declare this "genocide crap" but unfortunately the deeply entrenched culture of impunity for Israel means it's very likely that it won't be officially declared as genocide. And then we are told that Israel is held to higher standards 🙄

I doubt Israel want it. They have plenty.
Its more a case that they don’t want the Palestinians to have it.
With money comes independence, Israel wouldn’t want that

It’s time then that the world learnt from past mistakes, not keep using it as an excuse to justify genocide again !

'WIPE OUT GAZA FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH'
This doesn't sound like we are only targeting Hamas
There have been many public figures in Israel including members of the government who have made comments that are basically genocidal rhetoric

This has been already dismissed as 'propaganda', please try to keep up.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-says-israel-declined-receive-two-hostages-it-intended-release-2023-10-21/

Please see my response at 12.50 debunking this.

What are you talking about ??

Egypt had control of Gaza from 1949 - 1967, they could have developed that oilfield.

Nothing to do with Israel.

It wasn’t discovered until 1999, during explorations….!!!

So before Isreal pulled out in 2005/6? And they have waited almost 20 years to pinch it ?

Well they’ve had to wait for an opportunity to kill or drive out the owners/inhabitants first.

No I don't believe that !!! , that's implying they were hoping and waiting for hamas to stage a massacre of civilians, just so they could take it !

Could have been any opportunity.

I don’t know of course. It’s just their history of encroaching on land and their behaviour now.

You can only go by what you’re watching with your own eyes.

My eyes don't believe it .

You need to open them then. Thousands of Gazan children being slaughtered, injured, orphaned, homeless and traumatised.

Over a million people displaced and their homes destroyed.

@Coughingdodger they won't watch it because when they see it they will realise how awful it is. By not seeing it they can deny it