What does 'ceasing responsibility for life' mean?

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I'm sorry for the DM link. I want to know what is meant by Israel 'ceasing responsibility for life' means though. I don't understand.

No, there's no requirement under international law to supply them with electricity. Maybe water if they really can't provide for themeselves as that's clearly essential for human survival. No one wants to see innocent Gazans die. They will get water.

Electricity, however, is not a human right. There are many places without electricity in the world.

Who supplied them with electricity prior to 1967? Egypt? Definitely wasn't Israel as Gaza was occupied by Egypt from 1948-1967. Go back to that source. Find another supplier. Use solar power.

I appreciate that this is really shitty for Gazans. I feel very sorry for them. But given that the majority support their Hamas government, they should now demand that their government find them an aleternative electricity source given that until the massacres, they had electricity from their hated enemy. Perhaps, while planning and executing an extremely sophisticated and cruel attack intentionally focused on civiliians, they made contingency plans for when the enemy that they just attacked decides not to supply them with electricity?

And please dont say 'But they can't, they had a blockade' when clearly they COULD since they had sophisticated weaponry with which to attack Israel and build their terror tunnels

You keep arguing that because Hamas have smuggled in weapons Palestinians should have smuggled in everything they need to build desalination plants? I saw you saying somewhere else that they should just have just smuggled in medical supplies for their hospitals. Yet you can't see how fucked up that is? That Israel have such tight control that if they want to have a thriving economy they need to smuggle everything in? Bit by bit, they need to smuggle in all of the parts to build a desalination plant, bit by bit all the parts to build power plants etc etc all because the lovely folk over in Israel only let in 16% of items needed for vital water infrastructure.

And then Israel would just leave them be? The same people that force people to ask permission to dig a well and then deny them? Where is Gazas airport? The truth is Israel want them to rely on them for everything. This isn't something that happened by accident, this isn't something Israel were doing out of the goodness of their hearts. This was all so Israel could keep as much control over Gaza as possible so one day when they were feeling particularly genocidal, they could stop it all.

On the contrary, they were downplaying the threat Hamas poses and not taking account of the security factor which ultimately explains the blockade around Gaza.

I don’t see how? If Israel are “ceasing responsibility for life” then I would take they to mean they are going to let civilians suffer and die in a conflict they literally (operative word -literally)cannot escape from.
None of this means Israel should not fight Hamas. It’s they way they’re going about it. Israel have an army and a secret service, can they not go after Hamas directly rather than oscillating between ignoring them and bombing the hell out of Gaza?

Always the ad hominem attacks.
ohh, you don't agree with me so you're "hasbara"

Except Israel is not an apartheid state. And it's not genocide to go after an enemy who is embedded within a civilian population and cynically using them to advance their own genocidal agenda. Israel has a duty to minimise as far as possible civillian casualties but anyone with half a brain will know that this is inevitable - but Hamas is now an existential threat to Israel so there is no choice.The gencoidal ones are Hamas who have shown what they would do given half a chance and that the palestinian civillians are just expendable in that aim.

Shall I link to photos of the massacres Hamas and their friends committed? The beheaded babies (yes, it's true, it wasn't 40 but babies were beheaded by these butchers), the 3 year old who was taken and no one knows where she is or if she alive or dead, the pregnant woman whose stomach was cut open, the children INTENTIONALLY massacred, the people who were massacred after having their hands tied behind their backs, the people INTENTIONALLY burned alive in their own homes, the family of four coming back from camping and masacred when civillian cars were ambused, the family who were tortured - the father had his eye gouged out - in front of their famiy, the women and children gang raped to the point that their pelvic bones were broken. Absolute horrors were inflicted on Israel on 7 October, we were shown what conflict in the middle east looks like.

Listen to the zaka volunteers describe one of the families they came across. No justification:

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1715015632968646746

Hamas can no longer exist next to Israel.

Hamas not only has control by oppressing Palestinians. They don't mind having supporters giving them weapons who have tortured, raped and killed Palestinian people. In 2017 Syria killed 4013 Palestinians living there. This was after they treated them horrific.

There was no pregnant woman who had her abdomen cut open please do not make things up. This happened to a Palestinian woman by the Israeli's and to flip the story is very horrible.

According to the advisory opinion of the International Court of Justice, Israel does not have the right to defend itself within the Occupied Palestinian Territory. In the same way a rapist cannot defend itself against its victim.

I agree they can remove Hamas from the area but to openly trick and kill civilians and target the vulnerable is a disgrace.

Yes, indeed. Where is Gaza's airport? Israel destroyed the airport in the second intifada in response to Palestinian attacks. Another disastrous decision of the Palestinians to try, yet again, to destroy Israel. If they wouldn't have launched the second intifada, they would have an airport today.

And I think you don't realise the extent and sophistication of the weaponry Hamas has and the resources they have put into them. Of the terror tunnels they have built. It's perfectly legitimate to question why, if they managed to smuggle in so many weapons, they didn't manage to bring in a few parts for some water desalination or medicines if they were short (although medicine has always been allowed through).

This! Thank you.

No, I've shown it means they'll have no legal responsibility for Gazans who will have to make their own arrangements.

Gaza will have to be demilitarised and Western powers will insist on it before giving rebuilding aid. Egypt, Saudi and Jordan will want a demilitarised Gaza too.

And no, you can't just go after Hamas directly as they're deeply embedded into the social fabric of Gaza. Their tunnels are under civilian homes and infrastructure. Locals are also members of Hamas. They use civilians as human shields.

If it was possible to surgically remove a terrorist group from a local population with no civilian deaths, Governments would have been doing it all along from mid 20th century to now. That would really advantage governments.

But terrorist groups cannot go up against a State's power, so guerilla terrorist tactics is their very strong preference. That way they last much longer than they otherwise would.

Oh it happened. I wish it hadn't but it's true. You can find it on the English speaking media too if you look. It's definitely a sad story in the Hebrew media (

And, no, Israelis did nto do that to any Palestinian woman. Perhaps you're getting confused with what the Arabs have done to one another during their various civil wars?

Again, you're turning Palestinians into innocent victims. Ohhh, they're only defedning themselves against their rapist. That's why they can behead babies and torture families. Because they're occupied (even if they're not). So they can therefore attack Israeli civillians at will and Israel cannot respond. Smacks a bit of the Hamas claim that there are no civillians in Israel.

No one is targeting the vulnerable. Israel is targetting Hamas. But Hamas is deeply embedded int he civillian population and cynically using them as expendable. Civillian casualties are tragically inevitable. Not least because Hamas and their ilk care not the least about reducing Palestinian casualties (as shown by hte hospital bombing by Islamic Jihad)

Israel has a duty to minimise as far as possible civillian casualties but anyone with half a brain will know that this is inevitable - but Hamas is now an existential threat to Israel so there is no choice.The gencoidal ones are Hamas who have shown what they would do given half a chance and that the palestinian civillians are just expendable in that aim.

Hamas is a threat to Israel in that it perpetrates terrorists attacks but I’m not sure I buy the idea they are an “existential threat”. If Hamas really do have Israel outgunned and outnumbered then why don’t they launch an actual
war against the state instead of random attacks where they slaughter civilians seemingly out of spite. If Iran really are involved I would be a lot more worried about them.

I get the impression that Hamas wants maximum loss of civilian life as it suits their PR goals.

In fact they're possibly prepared to add to the death toll themselves if that explosion that killed civilians fleeing south was indeed a roadside IED which footage certainly suggests.

They don't yet have the ability thankfully. But with Iran and Russia using them as proxies and able to supply them with advanced weaponry and their absolute ideological extremism, they are an existential threat. At the very least, they could make large swathes of Israel uninhabitable.

Why do you not think Iran is involved? Of course it is! And Russia has joined the party too.

Why do you not think Iran is involved? Of course it is! And Russia has joined the party too

Not clear how Israel’s current actions will neutralise theses threats. But then they can’t bomb the hell out of Russia or Iran with no repercussions can they? Probably get straight up nuked if they tried.

This is correct and mentioned in the attachment. Terrorists communicate via death counts, for example, and select certain cases with which to justify their terrorism as well as claim they're so-called defenders.

No. All the British news channels reported, "Israel Said"... We have learnt that Israel say a lot of things. None of this was confirmed by the IDF as well but by a twitter post.* *

Please see below

https://news.sky.com/story/its-important-to-separate-the-facts-from-speculation-what-we-actually-know-about-the-viral-report-of-beheaded-babies-in-israel-12982329

Why are there reports of 'babies being beheaded'?

Claims Hamas fighters beheaded babies have only been reported by one journalist - Nicole Zedek from i24 - and have not been verified by Sky News.

But when asked directly whether "40 babies were beheaded", an IDF spokesman said children were killed - but that reports of beheadings were "unconfirmed".

Israel, the only democracy in the Middle East, was invaded by Hamas terrorists who killed babies and kidnapped babies and others. Let us hope once and for all Israel can protect its citizens and establish permanent large secure areas around its borders to keep out terrorists. Like most people in the UK I support Israel in this.

I am not saying that it matters how a baby has died matters. A baby dying is awful and one baby is far too many. I condemn the attacks from Hamas as well as the attacks from Israel.

I will however say that propagandist language further fuels the fire and incorrect information has been put out which is very misleading.

Claims Hamas fighters beheaded babies have only been reported by one journalist - Nicole Zedek from i24 - and have not been verified by Sky News.

But when asked directly whether "40 babies were beheaded", an IDF spokesman said children were killed - but that reports of beheadings were "unconfirmed

The people who will quote this as fact are probably the same people who think you're jumping the gun to assume it was Israel that bombed that hospital

@Meshigenus and what about the expansion of land by settlers and Israel in the west bank? What about the inhumane way that Palestinians in the west bank are treated by Israel?
What do you think this is the recipe for?
Does Israel think they can carry on doing this and expect no one to retaliate? BTW I'm talking about the west bank here
When will Israel learn from its mistakes. These things do not just happen overnight

They didn’t leave us air to breathe,” said Zawahri, 52, describing a months-long campaign of violence and intimidation that intensified in the last two weeks. First villagers were barred from grazing lands, and the spring, then violence reached their homes.
“They came into the village and destroyed houses and sheep pens, beat an 85-year-old man, scared our children. Slowly our lives became unlivable.”
A few men are trying to stay on amid the shells of homes, empty animal pens, smashed solar panels and broken windows, staking a fragile claim to their own village.

@Meshigenus according to the your own sources in Israel this is how the Palestinians are treated
DISGUSTING

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-settlers-alleged-to-bind-strip-beat-burn-and-pee-on-palestinians-in-w-bank/

No, I've shown it means they'll have no legal responsibility for Gazans who will have to make their own arrangements

They do have legal responsibility while the blockade is in place.

And no, you can't just go after Hamas directly as they're deeply embedded into the social fabric of Gaza.

Have they tried?

A few parts for water desalination 😂 That's all you need you know to provide water for 2.2million people. Just 'a few parts'. Come on. Even you don't believe what you are saying.

Israel had responsibility before, but Hamas’s attack on 7th October 2023 changer that permanently. Gaza will have to make their own arrangements post-demilitarisation.

Your last comment shows you don't understand how terrorist groups work and how to beat them. I've explained across several threads the counter-terrorist perspective so I'm not about to do so again.

Like I said if it was that easy, every single terrorist group that ever existed would have been easily defeated instead of them dragging on. It's tough, long and difficult. Some more difficult than others.

Israel had responsibility before, but Hamas’s attack on 7th October 2023 changer that permanently. Gaza will have to make their own arrangements post-demilitarisation

I’m not sure thats how it works.

Your last comment shows you don't understand how terrorist groups work and how to beat them. I've explained across several threads the counter-terrorist perspective so I'm not about to do so again.

I’m not sure what my take away from this comment is meant to be? That you’re right because of reasons?