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Conflict in the Middle East

What does 'ceasing responsibility for life' mean?

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flufferknutter · 20/10/2023 15:49

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12653619/Israel-reveals-plans-three-phase-war-Gaza-starting-airstrikes-ground-manoeuvres-moving-eradicate-pockets-resistance-ceasing-Israels-responsibility-life-Gaza-Strip.html

I'm sorry for the DM link. I want to know what is meant by Israel 'ceasing responsibility for life' means though. I don't understand.

Israeli defence minister reveals plans for 'three-phase war' in Gaza

Defence Minister Yoav Gallant told Israeli lawmakers that the IDF expects to start its three-phase war with airstrikes and ground maneuvers, before defeating Hamas pockets of resistance

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12653619/Israel-reveals-plans-three-phase-war-Gaza-starting-airstrikes-ground-manoeuvres-moving-eradicate-pockets-resistance-ceasing-Israels-responsibility-life-Gaza-Strip.html

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Reallifelurker · 22/10/2023 19:30

The Israeli government changes every couple of years.

Nah iIs been Likud pretty much constantly since 2009.

Heelenahandbasket · 22/10/2023 19:32

ChickHenLittle · 22/10/2023 19:15

The Israeli government and Hamas are as bad as each other, in my eyes. Netanyahu can hide behind the fact he's part of a 'legitimate government'. That's why so many see Hamas' attack as bad, and the siege as justified, when both are horrifying. The IDF are no better than Hamas in a lot of their actions, both deserve condemnation.

This is vile. The Israeli government are not the same as a terrorist group no matter how anti semitic you are.

the present Israeli government is a national unity government to fight a war that was started by a violent terrorist organisation that is based on its borders. Even the previous government (of which I was no fan) doesn’t compare to Hamas. If you think that you need to grow up.

ChickHenLittle · 22/10/2023 19:33

mushti · 22/10/2023 19:27

The Israeli government changes every couple of years.

Will a change of administration make you alter your moral equivalencing? My suspicion is that it's not actually the choice of Government or the person who leads it that you actualy object to.

I am aware, no administration of which I am aware have advocated for better treatment of Palestinians.

Stop trying to make it about religion. It might be the only comeback you have and I understand, as it is hard to justify what is happening. Believe what you like, but please keep your horrible accusations to yourself.

Heelenahandbasket · 22/10/2023 19:34

Reallifelurker · 22/10/2023 19:30

The Israeli government changes every couple of years.

Nah iIs been Likud pretty much constantly since 2009.

Not truez. It’s been different coalitions over the years. And is now a national unity government

Reallifelurker · 22/10/2023 19:35

Will a change of administration make you alter your moral equivalencing? My suspicion is that it's not actually the choice of Government or the person who leads it that you actualy object to.

Thing is you can’t say “who cares?” in response to a potential humanitarian crisis then try and imply people are just being difficult when they object.

If you an Israeli I can understand why you may feel that way but it actually is an objectionable point of view.

If a Hamas supporter said to me, “yeah I know some of the people killed were kids but frankly who the hell cares?” Would you not expect me to object?

ChickHenLittle · 22/10/2023 19:38

Heelenahandbasket · 22/10/2023 19:32

This is vile. The Israeli government are not the same as a terrorist group no matter how anti semitic you are.

the present Israeli government is a national unity government to fight a war that was started by a violent terrorist organisation that is based on its borders. Even the previous government (of which I was no fan) doesn’t compare to Hamas. If you think that you need to grow up.

I'm not anti-semitic, criticising a government is a viable opinion, I have and still do criticise the UK government.

I disagree that how the Israeli government is treating the people of Palestine is humane, not just very recently but over the span of many years. It isn't like there is no evidence of mistreatment by IDF soldiers. You have your opinion, I have mine. My concerns are with civilians, on whichever side of threborder they happen to reside.

mushti · 22/10/2023 19:49

ChickHenLittle · 22/10/2023 19:38

I'm not anti-semitic, criticising a government is a viable opinion, I have and still do criticise the UK government.

I disagree that how the Israeli government is treating the people of Palestine is humane, not just very recently but over the span of many years. It isn't like there is no evidence of mistreatment by IDF soldiers. You have your opinion, I have mine. My concerns are with civilians, on whichever side of threborder they happen to reside.

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I'm fairly sure that when you criticize the UK government, you don't draw a moral equivalence between Rishi Sunak on the one hand, and people who rape teenage girls before shooting them dead, and cut the heads of babies, on the other.

Even when there is evidence (and there is plenty) of inhumane treatment of civilians by the British Army.

I'm equally sure you feel you're just as concerned with civilian deaths in Ukraine, and in other armed conflicts around the world.

But you're not contributing to page 20 of a thread on those.

There's plenty of criticism of other countries, but why does Israel come in for so much contempt?

mushti · 22/10/2023 19:52

Reallifelurker · 22/10/2023 19:35

Will a change of administration make you alter your moral equivalencing? My suspicion is that it's not actually the choice of Government or the person who leads it that you actualy object to.

Thing is you can’t say “who cares?” in response to a potential humanitarian crisis then try and imply people are just being difficult when they object.

If you an Israeli I can understand why you may feel that way but it actually is an objectionable point of view.

If a Hamas supporter said to me, “yeah I know some of the people killed were kids but frankly who the hell cares?” Would you not expect me to object?

If you an Israeli I can understand why you may feel that way but it actually is an objectionable point of view.

Objectionable is subjective. The Israeli point of view is just as valid as yours. It's actually more important than yours, since Israel is a party to the conflict.

If a Hamas supporter said to me, “yeah I know some of the people killed were kids but frankly who the hell cares?” Would you not expect me to object?

They do say that. I don't know whether you object or not. I should add - it doesn't really matter to me either way.

ChickHenLittle · 22/10/2023 19:55

mushti · 22/10/2023 19:49

I'm fairly sure that when you criticize the UK government, you don't draw a moral equivalence between Rishi Sunak on the one hand, and people who rape teenage girls before shooting them dead, and cut the heads of babies, on the other.

Even when there is evidence (and there is plenty) of inhumane treatment of civilians by the British Army.

I'm equally sure you feel you're just as concerned with civilian deaths in Ukraine, and in other armed conflicts around the world.

But you're not contributing to page 20 of a thread on those.

There's plenty of criticism of other countries, but why does Israel come in for so much contempt?

Have I not? Do you know my name changes over the years? How?

As other posts have explained to you, this thread is about the conflict in the Middle East. I would not derail it by discussing other conflicts.

Reallifelurker · 22/10/2023 20:12

They do say that. I don't know whether you object or not. I should add - it doesn't really matter to me either way

Well it makes no difference to you I know. I was just trying to make a point. And I will admit I did think you would expect me to object.
Oh well 🤷‍♀️Indifference all round.

Reallifelurker · 22/10/2023 20:24

Yep. There have been plenty of threads about Ukraine. Russia hasn’t won any awards for good conduct Chechnya, Georgia, Syria etc etc etc.

Namechangey23 · 14/11/2023 17:28

Anyone else feel like Israel are getting away with literal murder and manslaughter of women, children and even premature babies because various governments are too frightened of being accused as 'antisemitic' to condemn it? Granted Hamas are evil terrorists and 'started it' and have taken hostages but if any of those hostages are still alive they are likely to be killed by Israel's bombardment now?! It shouldn't be tit for tat. One person's life is not worth more than another's?! What I am seeing on the news has vastly changed my perception of Israel for the worst. I always had a great sympathy due to the holocaust but seems they are undertaking their very own genocide..it's really very shocking this is being allowed to happen indeed. Really this is not the way to get rid of Hamas, there is going to be a lot of angry bereaved people after this with nothing to lose, that's one way to incite terrorism surely. I can't bear to see innocent children die and families torn apart on either side.

MissyB1 · 14/11/2023 18:32

@Namechangey23 I think a lot of people weren’t aware before all of this about how Israel were treating Palestinians. I was so didnt have a terribly high opinion of the Israeli Government anyway. But I do think now a lot of the world have had their eyes opened, Israel’s reputation will be severely damaged.

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