Charter's Anonymous

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I thought I'd start a thread for all of us who worship at the shrine of Toni Weschler, spend whole seconds analysing cervical mucus, slip over in the shower checking cervical position and spend two minutes every morning flicking their heads from side to side in a valiant attempt to stop a baby pulling the thermometer out of their mouths. Ladies, this thread is for all of us, may it see many many BFPs!

What symptoms did any of you notice on the 2ww if you then got a BFP?

I am absolutely exhausted, have been for about a week. Not sleeping at all well despite the tiredness.

Also on a meat rampage (esp steak and lamb) which is very out of character!

Anyone else have exhaustion, insomnia and a desperate need for iron??

• also eating obscene quantities of branflakes.

Bloody starving actually.

Dani I think you're not supposed to concentrate too much on any one temperature. Sometimes they do dip under the coverline once or twice in the luteal phase and it's not an issue.

See what happens tomorrow.

Thanks, dipped even more today even though I was boiling in the night and didin't sleep that well at all (maybe I will not use this reading)

Oh well, will see how it goes. AFter all there is not really much else I can do.

Hope everyone is enjoying the sunshine this morning x

If your sleep was very disturbed the reading may be dodgy. It's such a waiting game isn't it?

11 DPO and temp has shot up!! I have never got this far yet. Am trying not to get too excited, but it's hard! Waiting to test until at least Thursday when I'm off work.

About every 5 mins I'm convinced my period has started and keep running to check. I have never been so pleased to see only creamy CM in my life! Very bloated heavy stomach, but apparently PMT/early pg signs are practically the same. More's the pity.

How are you all doing?

Oh and Dani if there's any doubt over whether you have ovulated, keep DTD!

Definitely losing it. Passing small clots today and cramping - but not too bad yet.

Also peed on a devil stick and it is now saying 1 - 2 weeks since conception so i know hormone levels are dropping. Had my blood taken yesterday and will go again on thursday - to make it official.

I will still go for the scheduled scan next Monday just to check that all is clear in there.

I've been thinking a lot these last couple of days about NOT trying again and I think I would be ok about it. But on the other hand this MC is having sooooo much less impact on the family than my MMC- providing it doesn't get horrendously painful or something like that, I think i could risk it again.

I do still feel very sad and am looking at ladies with babies and feeling but I know it will not knock me for 6 like last time.

Also, - nutty confession here - I have a bit of a thing about doing things in 3's and as soon as I knew i was preg this time I thought, "Oh I hope i don't lose this one cos I'll have to have another go for definite then to try 3rd time lucky."
Should this woman be in charge of kids you ask .

On the subject of temping - I think it is majorly floored by the fact that lying awake at night wondering what your temp is gonna be the next morning has a very negative effect on the very same temperature you've been worrying about.

The important ones - like, has it gone up cos I've Ov'd or is it still up at the end of my LP - seem to be the very ones that get cocked up! If they seem very out of line I just write 'disturbed night'.

spiltthetea i was very tired (but also was lying awake wondering if preg). Also, I don't want to give you false hope but.... I did have a feeling like I wanted to eat something meaty for a few days before I got my BFP. The main one for me though has always been my boobs feeling like a pair of falsey stuck on the front of me - Hope that helps.

Am waiting to hear back about the reflexologist in Newcastle.

chocciechip thanks for the stuff about AMH - will have a proper read and discuss with my lovely GP. My Dh says he doesn't want to make a decision whether to try agian based on a blood test that might only be giving us a vague idea. He says low reserve doesn't mean bad eggs. I think low reserve = rubbish eggs. So we will see what we decide after all this is over....

PS. Can anyone tell me why hugs are so bloody forbidden on MN - I don't get it???

Everyone says big un-MN hug. Are they not allowed or something.

Why would they not allow us to hug each other.

It is on so many threads that I'm guessing there must be a rule or something.

pps. Big hugs from me to all of you

hippy So sorry to hear the negative news. You sound very strong. Your DH sounds like a wise man. I agree with him. The dilemma I have is around acknowledging that I will probably have more MCs because of my age. So for me the discussion isn't about whether I will or will not conceive, but for me, how many MCs am I prepared to endure before I get there. My last MC wasn't too bad (physically, I mean), and I think that makes me think I can endure more. (Cannot actually believe I am saying that when I think back to my extreme distress at both times!)

I was told to take a combo of paracetemol and ibuprofen for pain, and although something stronger would have been really nice, it did seem to help.

AFM - my temps are being a bit weird. I should have AF today but yesterday my temps shot up above the coverline again (after 1.5 glasses of wine the night before though!).

Last night I though 'stuff-it' and had another glass of wine AND had very disturbed sleep because of my bed-hogging cat, but temps dropped down again? I don't get it???

FF is telling me AF should be here today and has this down as my test date (I didn't bother) but she isn't here yet. I have had extremely light spotting for last three days so have no illusions or hopes, especially with today's low temp.

I don't know which is worse, waiting for test date with 'symptoms' in the 2ww, or waiting for AF when temps have already dropped.

Just wondering how people feel about sharing their charts on this thread? I've just discovered I can anonymously share mine on FF and thought, if others were interested, we could start a list of our names with links to our charts? Mine is here, for example. Might make it easier for in depth analysis .

Oh hippy I am sorry, you poor thing. How painful is it?

choccie sounds like we're at exactly the same point - FF told me to test today and I didn't.

Can you explain what you did to share your charts?
Your cycles each month look very consistent temp wise as you've only had to pin them by ovulation haven't you? I've had to pin both ovulation and the coverline as I appear to just be having a colder cycle

I'm thinking of you hippy. choccie, you are very clever!

Big hug to hippy

Not sure how you did yours choccie but here is mine.

www.fertilityfriend.com/home/2e3054

Feel a bit rubbish about it at the moment to be honest. I have felt sick and dizzy all day which, although I would love them to be PG symptoms i fear I just haven't drunk enough water, has not helped!!

Just wish I knew knew knew I have ovulated!!

Oh, hippy, you sound as though you are coping really well with an awful situation. This may be no help whatsoever (and choccie is right in what she says about age), but many a young thing has had several MCs before going on to have healthy pregnancies. I think what I am trying to poorly say, is that your MCs might not necessarily be due to age. You might have the eggs of a younger woman, but just have had extremely bad luck. And, if you can handle the potential heartache, then as you say, third time might be lucky...

spiltthetea, I have my fingers crossed for you. FWIW, I felt nauseous, especially when I was hungry (a feeling a recognised from my pregnancy with DD). I also felt as though my stomach was very 'solid' when I lay on my front. And had bubbly cramps, along with normal pre-AF cramps. And a few dizzy spells. All of this is spotted in hindsight of course

dani, I think the odd temperature below the coverline is okay, especially if you sleep poorly, but regular dipping might signify low progesterone (that's what it says in TCOYF). But if you have suspected PCOS, perhaps that has an effect? Anyway, I second the SWIing, just in case

split If you go to your charts (if you're on FF) there's a button above your chart that says 'Homepage setup'. On that page you can customise what you want to appear on your personal homepage. You will see a link at the top for your personal homepage - that's what dani and I have used to share. I've only got the latest month chart showing, plus the overlay ones, but it can actually have more. At the bottom of that page there's an option where you can set which of your charts you want on your homepage.

When you do 'overlay' there's an option to 'add to homepage' (or something like that). I've noticed on the CM analyser pages etc that you can also add that data to your homepage for everyone to see.

(I have the paid version, so not sure how much of this is available in free version).

Re my chart spilt - If I pin by coverline things do shift about slightly ... I disregarded coverline because I thought it was basically just a useful way to look at your chart but that it was essentially meaningless. Do you think it means more?

Dani Has FF given you that ovulation point on your chart or did you manually set it? And are you using OPKs or a monitor (you can see my monitor readings on my chart). Maybe if you add all the other data (your charted signs and CM etc) along with your current chart some of the more expert people here can speculate and share deeper insights. e.g. there might be some earlier temps you need to omit. Did you see that you can add a 'poll' to your page for others to say when they think you ovulated? (Or is that the paid version - sorry, not sure what I have versus what other people have).

Shall I start a link list then, for those who want to share? Copy and paste below into a new post and add your links to where ever you chart is if you want your available to the thread as well. I think this could be potentially helpful (well, to me anyway.... )

CHART LINKS

chocciechip - www.fertilityfriend.com/home/2db718
danilou - www.fertilityfriend.com/home/2e3054

hippy

I am very much a hugger so here's ((((hugs)))) for you. Sending lots of love your way. xxx

Thanks choccie. Here we go:

Spilt - www.fertilityfriend.com /home/2f6b9e
chocciechip - www.fertilityfriend.com/home/2db718
danilou - www.fertilityfriend.com/home/2e3054

Have put a poll on mine to see how that works.

12 DPO and still hot

Spilt - www.fertilityfriend.com/home/2f6b9e
chocciechip - www.fertilityfriend.com/home/2db718
danilou - www.fertilityfriend.com/home/2e3054

Just adding links again because there seemed to be a glitch with yours spilt and I couldn't access it. Your chart looks very promising by the standards of all your previous cycles. I can see why you're gnawing your nails! Have you been taking anything to extend your luteal phase? If I overlay my own chart onto yours there's only one of mine where my temps, at 12DPO, were as high as yours are at the moment.

As for me - third day of coldness and still no AF. So infuriating and confusing and not like me at all.

OMG girls. You're all talking Japanese all of a sudden!!!!

I just keep a little chart with paper and pencil. this is sooo out of my league.

Hippy - you're showing your age again!!!

Seriously though, great for you all to be able to analyse and share but I very much doubt even if I do try again and start charting that i will EVER be able to do all that fancy stuff.

But you enjoy your analysing.

Can i still stay on here for a while - cos I like you all, even though i'm not technically charting???? please, please??

update on me - bleeding has died down a bit and cramps almost gone. I know this can't be it - it can't be this easy. So i'm still waiting for the sh*t to hit the fan. It's like being told - you will have pain soon but we can't say when and we can't say how bad!! - arrgghhh

Wow, spilt that looks reeeeally good

oooooh spilt!!!! When are you testing girl!!? I reckon that's a bfp! just as well you did some shopping!

hippy, don't abandon hope. When's your next scan. And don't leave us, we can't do without you!

hippy its never easy, but in very early losses your body can absorb some of the material you would think you'd need to pass. I hope this has been the case for you. silver is right, don't give up hope too soon. Have you seen this thread, for example.

I got my blood test results just now and on Monday the hgh level was 210 which is conclusive with 10 days after fertilzation. So it looks like the egg and sperm met and implanted but then stopped pretty much straight after that.

Then my body hung on to it for a while. So hopefully it shouldn't be much worse than a late period and thus it shouldn't take my body long to recover.

OMG I can feel myself leaning towards trying again!