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To TTC or not to TTC, that is the question... as Hamlet sort of said about something else entirely

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CHW · 12/08/2009 21:36

Hi,
Had few glasses of wine and have spent large part of the evening on this site. I am in two minds about a baby - or really, at the age of 35 (but Type 1 diabetic which can complicate thingss) and really ought to make a decision about whether to have a family or not.
I worry about cost, the changes it will make to our lives and, well, if I am actually just happy as I am. Me and DH discussed going for it, so to speak, sometime after the start of Aug (as did the London Triathlon before then so couldn't before then) and decided we would once the triathlon was out the way. Now it is and we are both stalling. But it is playing on both our minds - in the do we, or don't we way.

My babyometer keeps going haywire - any tips or things for me to also consider which may help us make a decision. I am also wondering if we are simply analysing things too much but beeing diabetic makes things more complicated (ie they need to be planned, in an ideal world at least.) Any help or food for thoughts would be MASSIVELY appreciated!

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confuseddoiordonti · 28/01/2010 21:41

SeaGreen - at least one of us can offer constructive advice / ideas that haven't already been done to death! Maybe you have something there, that it is being put forward as such as serious and considered thing and really, sort of at least, it can be a bit more impulsive. Weighing things up so much the way we are all prone to do only seems to make things more indecisive half the time as we think about the negatives (and without really knowing if these negatives will happen) as much, if not more, than the positives.

Think I may be waffling though - not drinking but in the middle of Fimo-ing and slightly distracted (and DH also keeps chipping in with things which isn't helping my train of thought!)

HoneyPetal · 28/01/2010 21:43

Well, DH seems fine, chatting away and pretending we didn't have 'words'. Men. Or at least, mine.

Thank you both for your posts, I can't tell you how much I appreciate it.

I wish I knew what to do.

He's a simple guy who is happy to live 'right now' and doesn't really think of the future, or time running out. I may start calling him Peter Pan.

I'm sorry you're having a crap time as well, Seagreen. We all seem to be at a very similar point in our lives with many of the same issues.

HoneyPetal · 28/01/2010 21:53

YTD - sorry, we cross posted then. Thank you for ploughing through my emotional nonsense when you are worried about your own baby situation. I really hope tomorrow brings some answers, or a BFP as soon as possible. xx

Yes, he did start backtracking when he realised that I may not be happy with us just drifting along as we are. I just wish I was more certain of my own feelings, then I could have more of a leg to stand on. I know he loves me absolutely, he would do this if I want it. But I feel like it's already tainted with doubt and bad feeling.

SeaGreen · 28/01/2010 21:59

YTD do keep us posted tomorrow (if you feel like it that is, not to pry!)- and best of luck!!
Maybe christmas this year will be one where you will have to pretend to drink
and we will have a virtual baby shower for you.
as you put it so well, it only takes ONE egg.

confuseddoiordonti · 28/01/2010 22:09

YTD - all the luck in the world for tomorrow!

HP - glad you're not at one another's throats, at least.

I can't type more at the moment (not that I've anything earth shattering to offer) as in the middle of this fimo stuff and it looks like it's going to be a late on.

Hugs to all and sundry and, ahem, que sera sera...

SeaGreen · 28/01/2010 22:14

confused - happy cocker spaniels to you !
ah and YTD - flying the flag for the older "primagravida"- Anne Marie Duff! was v. chuffed to hear the news- think they're both adorable, and together a lovely couple!

HoneyPetal · 28/01/2010 22:20

Just been informed 'I'm fed up of you this evening, HoneyPetal. I don't know what is wrong with you.'

On that note, I'm off to bed. Que sera sera indeed

HP-not so SP

confuseddoiordonti · 28/01/2010 22:28

Fuckit!
Men...
xx

YorkshireTeaDrinker · 28/01/2010 22:43

Time doesn't run out for boys...

My DH started off quite ambivilent (his response was geberally, "if that's what you want dear") but has conversely got keener the longer we've been trying.

My best mate (who is now 6 months pregnant, after three months of trying - grr) took almost 2 years to talk her DH into TTC. He was not keen, didn't want to upset their already lovely life, didn't think they could afford it etc. She wore hom down in the end as she didn't want to just drft along (your use of that phrase is what made me think of them). The utter transformation of her DH is staggering. He is so excited and massively pleased with himself. The abstract idea of children terrified him, the real prospect of his little nipper is real and exciting.

Part of the problem is that there are so many imponderables. That?s why we dither...

Night all. Here's to better days all round tomorrow. xx

LeviStubbsTears · 28/01/2010 23:45

Can't write much as it's very late and have to be up super early tomorrow, but sorry to all that you're having a rubbish time. And slightly weirded out (in a good way) by HP's post as I think we might actually have married the same man (or would if I hadn't seen a pic ).
"He's a simple guy who is happy to live 'right now' and doesn't really think of the future, or time running out. I may start calling him Peter Pan."
This is also mine. To a tee. It's a bugger, isn't it. But if I can get mine to the point of trying IVF (if we ever get there...), anything is possible.

Hope things go well tomorrow, YTD - even if there is an issue (and no reason to think there will be one particularly?) there is a host of things they can do.

Hugs to all of you - if it's any consolation it is officially the most rubbish time of year, almost exactly the point where people are supposed to feel worst. (OK, this isn't exactly working as a pep talk - perhaps I'll shut up and go to bed!)

Will write properly soon.

confuseddoiordonti · 29/01/2010 19:36

YTD - any news?!

Everyone else, how's things? I am bloody delighted that it's Friday! That on it's own has improved my mood enormously.

confuseddoiordonti · 29/01/2010 20:15

By the way, I was reading stuff today at work and came across this
I realise that the more scientific of you, at least, may think it's a load of old bollocks but thought it might be worth posting all the same.
Am doing little posts tonight as also doing about 5 other things, but will be here on and off all night.

HP hope things have thawed out a bit at your house! And everyone else is feeling rather less gloomy, x

HoneyPetal · 29/01/2010 21:11

Eyes less red this evening, relations less frosty. True to form, DH has moved on and is content. YTD has really summed it all up for me - he wants things to stay the same and the baby stuff to go away. In a nutshell, he wants to deal with it sometime in the far future, I want to deal with it now.

Aaaanyway, just wanted to thank you all for your typing-support and kind words last night. I was really low and upset, and it was kind of you all to be there.

I will try to check out that link, bloody iPod keeps redirecting me to the mobile site, which doesn't have the article.

LST, what a shame there may be a wait for the IVF which would take you past your year. I guess you will have to see what is actually said at your consultation. Fingers crossed it will move quicker than you fear.

I hope you are ok, YTD, we are here if you need to talk.

Thank goodness it's Friday!

confuseddoiordonti · 29/01/2010 22:48

Fimo drama - back in 20!

HoneyPetal · 29/01/2010 23:00

I'm off to bed in a min, can't keep my eyes open!

Hope you sort the craft problem out - is it the little dogs?

Bit worried about YTD, am really hoping it was good news.

YorkshireTeaDrinker · 29/01/2010 23:25

Thanks for the concern ladies,

News is neither good nor bad, just isn't any news at all really. I was expecting results back from two blood tests and a swab. The first blood test they took on CD22 (to test progesterone levels) was fine. The second one (has to be taken between CD1 and CD5) was buggered up because the nurse failed to see the instructions and they tested for progesterone again. Swab got lost in the system.

So I have to go back for a repeat blood test to check FSH levels and do another chlamyia swab. Great.

Fortunately my period is due this weekend so I should be able to get my blood test done early next week. Would be exceptionally pissed off if I'd just missed it and had to wait another 4 weeks to retest!

Once they have finally assembled all the test results, we will get our referal to the fertility clinc, where we can start doing the same tests (and more) all over again.

So upshot is, I have to retest, DH has to retest and we both have to go back a couple of weeks after that to get results, sign child protection forms (?) and finally get our referral.

I felt a bit fed up earlier, but am pretty sanguine about it all now.

YorkshireTeaDrinker · 29/01/2010 23:54

HP just pondering what you said about your wanting things to stay the same and the baby stuff to go away, in conjunction with his remark that "I don't know what is wrong with you." Your DH is probably feeling slightly agrieved that you are not being you usual sparkly self, that all this baby nonsense has appeared from nowhere, threatening to disrupt his lovely life and that there is apparently no reason for it other than you twittering on about stuff he doesn't want to hear.

He's a simple creature, he likes what he's got, babies are expensive, having one is in many ways impractical, he doesn't want the hassle. Baby = not a good idea. problem solved. move on.

The problem is, you can't move on, It isn't that simple. You are subject to a lot of external forces that you have no control over and he can not begin to understand. You have the pressure of biology. I know for certain that women do have a clock and it does tick. Its louder for some than others, but I think we all feel the force of nature at times, foisting the thought of motherhood on us unbidden. What you are considering is the possibility of of resisting that force of nature, knowing that the more you delay the decision, the less chance you have of having a decision to make. It's complicated and messy.

Thing is, boys are pretty simple creatures and they often really don't get stuff until it is pointed out to them. He's not goign to know the pressures you feel unless you explain it. And it is so difficult to understand ourselves, how can we explain it to sceptical DHs?

I think perhaps you need to try and make him understand that you are not doing this just to to be annoying and that you are not in control of the timescales here. Its just that you have to address the issue sooner rather than later, cos that is what biology dictates.

confuseddoiordonti · 30/01/2010 10:08

YTD the whole testing thing sounds very tedious! It also sounds like it could take forever and go round and round in circles. I sincerely hope this is not the case.

Your 'translation' for HP about her DH's behaviour and thought processes sounds pretty spot on. Very few men get the same urge re little people than us females, and I also think (as it can be applied to many other things too) they are a lot more simplisitc than we seem to be (and I actually mean that in a nice way, not a patronising way!)

My DH is in bed. We have to make a box for these figurines (drama last night was because we wanted the bride to carry one of the dogs but the Fimo arm wasn't strong enough and we couldn't use glue as we had to cook the fimo), I have a hyperactive collie I want to take out, we have craft stuff everywhere, a box that needs to be made for the figurines, a house that needs cleaning (not done due to being busy with craft stuff) and empty fridge and so on and on... Hence, I am up (admittedly MNing rather than sorting things but he doesn't know that) but he is in bed as 'weary' as he's 'been working all week.' For some reason the fact that I too have been working all week hasn't registered, and nor has the fact that we have to be out the door at 3pm for the wedding (need to be there spot on even though it's a party not the actual ceremony as they want the figurines for the cake) so we are inevitaby going to be in a mad rush. Again.
The reason I am telling you all this is, do you think he'll be equally rubbish about things that need to be done, and things that have to be looked after, if we add a child into the equation too?

Answers on a postcard please!

HoneyPetal · 30/01/2010 19:57

It's so annoying that they have made such a mess of your tests, YTD. So basically they only managed one out of three tests - but the one they did do showed a good result? That's a good sign, at least. It is a shame you both have to repeat the more....challenging tests. Typical! But after all this, you are that much closer to your green BFP. Eek!

I have to tell you, I have reread your 'HPs DH' post about four times now. Thank you for taking the time to think about all this for me. Everything you wrote is true, I'm sure of it. And maybe LST can see something there as well, given we are married to the same bloke . He clearly isn't feeling any pressure from time or Mother Nature, so the only pressure (even if I barely talk to him about it!) is from me. Before this all kicked off, we were footloose and fancy free, psychologically at least. And now I'm forcing him to think about things he, frankly, doesn't have really good feelings about. But I'm going to whine.....I don't wanna think about them either, but I gotta!

Confused, I think like it or not he would have to deal with his kids as and when required, as it is pretty hard to ignore them when they are bouncing on your bed at 7am going 'Daddy, what time is it (bounce) daddy, why is your chin hairy (bounce) daddy daddy daddy get up!'. All of my friends with children say you get used to being organised and having to get up and get on with things. I hope you sorted everything out that needed doing today, and are having a fun time at the wedding as I type this! A piccie of the final crafty result would be great....

SeaGreen · 31/01/2010 00:34

YTD- good luck, hope next week they get their act together, fingers crossed for you.

HP - "bouncing on the bed at 7am going 'Daddy, what time is it (bounce) daddy, why is your chin hairy (bounce) daddy daddy daddy get up!"
HAHAHA
oh i love my sleep. that is a nightmare scenario if that was my bed.

LeviStubbsTears · 31/01/2010 18:38

Hi all,

Really sorry to hear about the test shenanigans, YTD - what a pain! I had all sorts of delays due to different surgeries, and even bits of the same surgery, not talking to each other, which was maddening enough, but this sounds a lot worse. But at least good news so far, which must be encouraging.

Of course I don't know exactly what's going on with your DH, HP, but he does sound uncannily like mine. Not that I have a clue how to deal with him/the situation. In fact I'm slightly dreading the meetings with the IVF people in 10 days' time, because I think it's going to prompt another big horrible discussion/argument and plenty of black looks (at best) and anger (at worst) from my DH. And I've been thinking about something confused said a little while ago about not forcing anyone into it that really doesn't want it. I don't think I can do that, either ethically or in terms of safeguarding our relationship, so the whole thing may be a non-starter after all this.

We're basically at the impasse at the moment where he's going along with it because he thinks I might go a bit mad (or at least be very unhappy) with regret and delayed longing for a baby in about 5 years' time (or some point when it's too late) and that he doesn't want to be responsible for that (or, to be fair, for me to go through that). He can't even contemplate regretting it himself - which isn't a great sign, obviously. (Though it doesn't mean he won't...) On the one hand I'm a bit insulted as he clearly thinks I might become quite unhinged (and I don't think I give him too much reason to think this?!) if I never have a baby; on the other, on my redder days, I think that maybe that is the reason I'm doing this - in case I really am grief-stricken for what never was down the line.

OK, I realize this sounds like a pretty disastrous starting point for the big commitment that is IVF. There is another side to things. I think we're both pretty engaged and fascinated around babies and kids - him too, if truth be told. He's interested, enthusiastic and very fond of his nieces (all six of them!) and nephew. I'm currently quite green in an unthinking sort of way, having spent the weekend with close friends and their adorable 7 week old baby (although he's a pretty easy baby sleepwise and still portable to restaurants and stuff so it's perhaps not entirely representative!).

ANYWAY, this was not supposed to be about me at all! How is your DH with kids, HP? Not that that is necessarily a good predictor of how they'd be with their own kids, but it gives me encouragement (perhaps disastrously) with mine, because being with kids does help my DH soften a tiny bit about the idea - though that is perhaps as we're lucky enough to know very nice kids on the whole. (And the fact that he's arrogant enoguh to think he'd be the perfect parent, and that his own would be impeccably behaved and disciplined!) I really hope things get a bit easier - I think if we women do really want it (and that's obviously the crux of the whole issue and this whole thread!!!) we just have to coax them (the men!) along and take responsibility for it at certain stages, which I resent and am sad about, but am kind of gritting my teeth about at the moment. It does seem psychologically harder for them (poor lambs ) , but I think they are usually ok when things are a reality. Who knows.

Anyway, sorry for this mammoth, rambling and inconsequential post! Really hope you had a lovely weekend, confused, and that the FIMO dogs were a huge hit - as they can't have failed to be. Am entirely unblessed with any artistic talent but am living vicariously through the talents of people on here - between your many projects and Suerock's cardigans!

All the very very best with the tests, YTD, and hope everyone else's week goes ok too. I'm meeting up some people who are at various stages of IVF treatment locally tomorrow evening (through Fertility Friends - thanks so much for putting me onto that, confused) so will let you know how that goes!

LSTx

Suerock · 01/02/2010 21:38

I keep meaning to post, but then I don't have time to be articulate about all the things I want to say, so I put it off, and then I think of more things, so I put it off again. But I am going to give up being articulate.....

Right, rant alert. You might want to skip the next paragraph.

The job situation is worse than I expected - they have announced sweeping job losses but are making us wait a month before saying who/where/when/how. I understand the economic reasons, but I can't believe how bad the timing is for me. I had a hunch it was never going to be a job for life, but I'd hoped I might get through maternity leave and the first couple of years of childrearing before having to move on. I know I sound like a complete drama queen and there are loads of people in a worse position - but my chances of finding another job in the UK are almost nil unless I do something completely different. And DH and I had an unplanned and unprovoked but ultimately positive conversation at the beginning of the year about how this year has to be The Year We Really Try, and how, while I consider myself a thoroughly modern woman who is equal to her male peers in nearly all ways, I cannot actually get pregnant by myself. So I was hoping we might make some progress, but my first response on finding myself preggers right now would be to cackle hysterically and then turn into a panicked gibbering wreck.

OK. Rant over.

YTD - sorry ho hear they messed up the tests. I'm torn between saying I hope the repeats all come back completely normal, and saying I hope they find something really simple they can put right, so you can find yourself with a BFP straight away.

HP and LST - I completely sympathise with your unenthusiastic DH dilemmas. Life would have been so much simpler if they'd given sperm sell-by dates too! Your description of 'Peter Pan' is very apt here too, so while my DH doesn't object to the idea of kids, he has very little concept of the urgency either

LST - finally saw your photos BTW, and I wasn't far out in my imagined image of you - although you seem not to have the long ash-blond wavy hair I expected!

confused - you'll have to post some pictures of the Fimo dogs cos I'm quite confused myself - I thought they were going on the cake and not on the bride's arm??! Or was this the real dog? I'm dead impressed though - I always have high hopes of Fimo but I can never make it turn out the way I imagine things in my head! This is going back quite a few posts now, but sorry to hear you had criticism about the book you're making for S. After all, as I think someone else said, it's what he thinks about it and no-one else that matters. But I wonder whether the person who criticised you was dealing with their own grief at the news - I can see how maybe they might feel that making a book somehow made it more real, IYSWIM? Just a thought.

SeaGreen - hope the stress in your life isn't getting the better of you.

Fingers crossed that February will turn out better than January for all of us....

SeaGreen · 01/02/2010 23:24

Suerock - thanks for the thought! the stress is messing with my head ,and i swear, this was the year DH and i had said we would try starting christmas- only we can't anymore. and i don't want to give too much away but you can understand that there is some common ground in our circumstances!!
today's the first time in AGES (can't remember the last time- christmas, but wasn't high then!) that i've had a drink and got buzzed.DH poured me a nice HUGE glass of wine (which i topped up later!) and am sat here nicely buzzed watching tv.
good luck suerock !! this too shall pass..i hope with all my heart.

SeaGreen · 02/02/2010 11:50

{ooh my head }
paying the price today!

confuseddoiordonti · 02/02/2010 16:18

Hello everyone! Or, should I whispher on account of SeaGreen's sore head...?
I didn't manage to post anymore over the weekend as I had a humdinger of a hangover on Sunday (trust me, it was horrific - and I was doing SO well up until about 11pm) and was throwing up. Now I am back to normal and also have decided, largely due to these spare tyres, go on the wagon for a month. Wish me luck!

So, where were we? Ah yes, it does seem as if a lot of us are having job shite (and, by proxy, money shite.) Add to that the bastard that is Mother Nature, terminally young DH's and no signs of any BFP's and it looks like we all have various reasons to be fed up. If I could find some answers for at least some of the problems I'd be very popular indeed, but unfortunately I can't.

Life can be really bloody unfair, can't it? I mean, those of us without the Peter Pans in our lives and who have, at least relatively speaking, made 'The Decision' (ie to get up the duff!) can't, and the rest of us either can't get to that stage because they are incapable of making a decision themselves, or have cash / job issues (or potential one's.) It does make you wonder how on earth anyone does it? Surely not everyone is like this?! Or maybe you swap some things (spare cash, or even just some cash) for others ('daddy daddy daddy' etc - hmm, I can't say that's doing it for me!)

As for the confusion re the Fimo figurines - it was the bride and groom and their three dogs. It went down a storm, I am very proud to say, but I can't post any pics just yet. I only have them on my phone which I can't download onto my laptop as I have lost the cable (ooops) but will hopefully wangle some pics off the groom's dad as he took loads with his posh camera. I'll let you know if or when they're up. Oh yes, and the dog was being held by the Fimo bride, not the real bride hence the Fimo arm had to go round the dog (it didn't in the end as it wasn't strong enough and we couldn't use glue as they had to be cooked in the oven.) Hope that has cleared things up!

As for the photo's for the book, I have a grand total of.... 18. Yup, 18 Despite having 40 responses, most of whom promised to send a selection, only a few of those have actually come up with anything which is very frustrating. I am now nudging those who previously said they'd send one, and am not going to bother mentioning it to anyone who never responded in the first place due to the massive divide in opinion. Hopefully I'll end up with at least 30 otherwise I can't do it (and it would be such a shame to not be able to use the pics I have got as some are lovely. It just won't work with a few though, it has to be all (or close to all) or nothing.

LST I think one of my major reasons for this whole baby do-I-or-don't-I situation is the worry that I may regret it. I think I probably will, but it doesn't actually, job and cashflow aside, make me want to do anything more about it. My DH is of a similar mindset (I may be more keen if he was) which doesn't help and I think if he wasn't keen at all I'd be at a bit of a loss about what to do at all. It does sound positive that your DH is into babies to an extent though, and loves his neices etc so much. Hopefully this implies that when it is actually a child of his own this enthusiasm would be amplified enormously. Fingers crossed!

Right - I think I rambled on a bit there but what the hell! Time to take this dog out I think... Bye for now!

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