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Any 40+ ladies out there TTC #1?

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JessieMcJessie · 25/11/2014 13:00

Have looked at the buses and things but I feel a bit geriatric on them, with all the ages there for all to see, and the "old birds" type threads are lovely and supportive but a lot of the posters are dealing with issues like how to juggle older kids and a later pregnancy, or comparing ttc experiences now with the first time round.

Just wondered if anyone else was like me, basically didn't meet the right person till pretty late in life and now playing catchup and feeling slightly terrified of having left it all too late. I'm 41 (and 3 months) and DH and I got married in June and are now starting TTC. Most of my contemporaries had 2 or 3 kids before they were 40. I'm not afraid of the tiredness/no energy older Mum thing, or even really how old I'd look or feel at the school gates- I have actually been told many times I look younger than I am. No fertility probs that I know of and cycles seem regular and 28 days, but I have this awful dread that if the average time to conceive when young and healthy is 6 months, I just don't have enough time left. Silly to worry I know since we've only just started our 2nd cycle TTC, but would love to hear from anyone else in a similar position.

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Daisyboo1203 · 22/08/2015 13:36

Blimey! That sounds frustrating, Jessie!
Glad you have got the ball rolling though.
Apart from the painful red welts that made it difficult to move (just me!) I got aches and pains that felt fluey, but I'm not sure if that was just a coincidental illness! The medication since egg collection has not given me any side effects.
Let us know how you get on!
Xxx

AnnieHoo · 23/08/2015 21:02

Hi all - just back from wonderful holiday in the actual sunshine in Scotland on the beach with no wifi, bliss!!

Jessie
Sorry to hear that Guys admin is chaotic. I had similar issues with the clinic in Edinburgh. The nurses seemed very rushed and harassed and everything was last minute. They didn't read my notes which made me feel I wasn't being looked after and I had to be my own advocate throughout. This was added stress. That was something i didn't predict. I thought the injections would be the worst part of IVF but found them to be absolutely fine and enjoyed the control i had and feeling like I was doing something to help every day.

I really enjoyed downregging as it cut off my hormones and made me feel quite serene. Emotionally I felt the best i had in years.

You do get bloated after a while which is slightly uncomfortable but it's all for the good, all those lovely follicles growing.

I wrote a blog about it at the time, it's pretty boring for anyone else but logging everything helped me get through it and it offered some support.
ivfoverforty.wordpress.com.

AF arrived at the weekend so I'm out this month despite shagathon.

I hope it all goes well for you with the IVF Jessie and Daisy.

Hello to everyone else! Yes, I'm one of the stats thats not so good but quite good. Trying for 3 years now. 4 pregnancies, 3 mc's and one chemical. Giving it until Christmas xxx

AnnieHoo · 23/08/2015 21:13

Oh dear. Just had a read through my old blog and it appears that I wasn't so serene afterall! I think i was feeling great after being on the pill for a month but when i started stims I became very tearful and emotionally weak. Just so you know this can happen and prepare your partners/ family for this. My mum said i was very fragile. It must be different for different protocols though and you could be ok.

Daisyboo1203 · 26/08/2015 03:28

HCG blood test tomorrow. I don't think it's worked Sad

JessieMcJessie · 26/08/2015 09:47

Oh daisy what makes you say that? Not over till it's over, surely?
I am injecting daily now and trying to stay positive but it's hard.

Annie thanks for posting your blog on here, I read it all and can identify with so many of the feelings. I'm 42 today. Feel really fucking old. Though in better news I saw Only Connect the other night and noticed Victoria Coren Mitchell (aged 42) was pregnant; a quick google revealed a baby girl born about 3 months ago. So Victoria shall be my inspiration.

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HS26 · 26/08/2015 22:06

Oooh, try to keep your spirits up, Jessie and Daisy.

I just read a great quote on a totally unrelated blog, from Agatha Christie's mother of all people!!

"You see, how silly you have been? What a waste all that crying was? Never cry about things until you are sure."

There's still a lot of hope, girls. Wishing you both success and, if it doesn't happen this time, courage and hope for next time ... my turn soon but trying not to think about it at the moment!

HS26 · 26/08/2015 22:19

Apologies if I've already asked this, but ... have any of you thought about the possibility of IVF with donor eggs?

I think I might possibly consider it. It would take a while for me to get my head around, but I think I'd do it ... probably a little down the line yet though ... :-)

Daisyboo1203 · 27/08/2015 02:47

I don't know, I guess I just think I can't be so lucky to have it work first time. Also I think it is my brain trying to protect me from the possible crushing disappointment.
God, this is hard!
I was fine after all the procedures, fairly positive.
Anyway, the way I look at it by the time. I finish work I'll either be ecstatic or drinking a bottle of wine and booking a flight to try again at Christmas. It's not my last chance so I should try not to look at it as all or nothing.
Thanks for the good positive wishes, HS26, Jessie. I'll keep you posted.
Xxx

Daisyboo1203 · 27/08/2015 11:24

Not looking good. Hcg only 12.
Clinic is being more positive than me saying keep up medication and see what happens to number in 2 days
Dr Google doesn't give me much hope though.

AnnieHoo · 27/08/2015 17:11

Daisy I have my fingers firmly crossed for you. It's all up to little embryo now, what will be will be. I'm sorry you are in limbo land, try to distract yourself (impossible) with a good film or book to escape into. It does sound like there has been implantation though, which is a positive thing. Hold tight for the next couple of days, praying for your doubling HCG here xxx

AnnieHoo · 27/08/2015 17:23

Jessie victoria IS my inspiration! I can't believe i didn't know she was even pregnant. I've been (rather creepily) watching her and other slebs to see if they'd have kids or not as she is the same age. And she has.

Yes 42 is fucking old. But it's not as fucking old as 43 which is the age that my cousin had her son. I met them today for lunch and she's looking healthier than ever and younger than she did before she had him.

I've been on a complete downer this week and it's really given me some positivity. Also the ladies on the other over 40 thread have helped me put everything back into perspective. Miracles do happen... we just need to have an enormous amount of patience Smile. I'm beginning to think that I'm just a 'kids later on' kind of woman like Victoria and it's all predestined anyway so might as well let go and get on with being fabulous at 42.

Inshock73 · 27/08/2015 20:55

Hi ladies,

I've been reading this thread for the last few days and felt I had to comment...

I was on another TTC thread for 40+ from January 2013 up until end of 2014.

My story, started ttc in January 2013 the month before my 40th birthday (no other children), conceived first month but had a mmc in March 2013, continued ttc until July 2014 when at at the age of 41 I decided it wasn't going to happen and gave up, only to discover in August I was pregnant.... I had a pretty straight forward pregnancy only glitch was being put on baby aspirin to help blood flow to placenta. I felt really healthy throughout my pregnancy, had very few symptoms, only gained 14lbs and in April at the age of 42 gave birth to my first baby, a healthy 6lbs 3ozs baby girl.

I now have a perfect little 4 month old and have already started thinking about trying for another... I'm 42 :)

Just wanted to share with you xx

JessieMcJessie · 28/08/2015 11:14

Thanks Inshock for taking the time to come and tell us your positive story. Huge congratulations on your DD. Did you have any fertility treatment when you were actively TTC? I love that you now feel all powerful and that a sibling may be possible, though I am impressed you have time to read conception boards with a 4 month old baby to attend to!

Annie thanks for the positivity. I have been a bit of a VC stalker too and like you I was surprised she had managed to get as far as giving birth without there being anything about her in the Daily Mail sidebar of shame; after all David Mitchell is practically a national treasure even if she is less well known. Or maybe I overestimate the media's interest in Radio 4 panellists :-) I am doubly encouraged by her as I know that she likes a drink and was also a fairly heavy smoker (not that I am congratulating her for smoking but the point being that to see an older woman have a child when her lifestyle was not exactly exemplary is reassuring.) I wouldn't be surprised if they had had IVF though.

Daisy, fingers crossed for you. Presumably you're going to a doc in HK for the tests but it's the clinic in Cyprus that is telling you there may still be hope? I read a lot about HCG when I had my chemical in April and there is a really wide range of possibilities, it's the doubling that is important and you would still be at a very very early stage. That said, I fully understand why you are not that optimistic so am glad that you are already looking ahead to giving it another go. I must say that (despite having 2 friends for whom it worked first time) everything I read on message boards and forums suggests that women who have IVF seem to have to go through numerous cycles before it works. A poster on an IVF thread here did it 11 times and a colleague of my DH 9 times! I'm afraid I would not have the endurance for that. It's so bloody boring for a start.

HS you asked about donor eggs. I have thought about that, though am trying not to think too deeply about it until I know my own are useless. But my god awful follicle count has got me thinking a bit further down that road again. I haven't looked into it properly but I have a sneaking suspicion we are too old for adoption and in any event adoption is realistically more likely to be older children and we both know we would not be prepared to take on an older child.

So DE is probably the only way we could have a child if IVF fails. But would it would seem odd that it was genetically DH's but not mine?

I think I'd be fine with that - there's no doubt that a DE baby would grow up with a lot of me in him/her if I raised him/her, and I think (I'm afraid) I'd find it easier to love a child which was part DH, and which I had carried, than an adopted child. Also, frankly, my family have a history of dying young so there is actually a positive benefit to not passing on my genetic heritage. So all in all I think I'd try to convince DH and if he wanted to then I think we'd go for it.

However I have a feeling that DH would find it harder to come to terms with. If ultimately he felt that no children was better than a DE child then I think I'd respect that as I have never been someone who has wanted children at the expense of my relationship. I'd just have to trust that he'd not get broody later and run off with a younger, fertile woman.

My brother and sister in law have exactly this dilemma. She is 38 but has premature ovarian failure so is in a worse position than me; docs have told her that IVF is not even worth trying. My brother told me he doesn't want to use DE. He seems to think that SIL feels the same but I am not so sure that is where it ends, since previously they were on the same page about not wanting kids at all but she changed her mind. Ultimately he'll do what makes her happy. In a selfish way I'd like them to do it so that I can see what a baby with my family genes looks like.

How do you others on this thread feel about it?

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Inshock73 · 28/08/2015 12:47

Thanks Jessie. Tbh it's my desire to have another that got me looking at this thread, I was curious to see if there's anyone 42/43 ttc. In response to your question I had a natural conception, I was very lucky, I did give up coffee and alcohol and ate healthily but when I thought it wasn't going to happen I returned to my morning latte and occasional glass of wine. My hospital consultant told me she sees a lot of pregnant women up to the age of 45/6 these days, many are natural conceptions, it's nothing unusual.

JessieMcJessie · 28/08/2015 13:24

HI Inshock, yes, I saw that you had only conceived after you gave up so it was of course natural, but had wondered if you had sought help in the period where you were actively trying - perhaps clutching at straws in that a diagnosis can turn out to be false or misleading, or perhaps that taking fertility drugs can have a lasting improving effect on natural cycles. I know from reading threads here that sometimes it's just a waiting game, even for younger, healthier women. Unfortunately however I have a blocked tube as well as the usual age-related reduced chances, so the odds are stacked against me for natural. Wish I'd got the tubes checked a year ago and started IVF sooner.

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SparrowSG · 28/08/2015 14:24

Hi all, happy Friday Smile

Jessie love your 'Daily Mail sidebar of shame', however much I hate that paper I just cannot seem to stop spending time reading what clothes some celeb wore out shopping or some similar crap over lunch.
How are you doing with the injections? Any side effects?

Daisy I also have everything crossed for you.

HS did you decide on what to do about the new job/IVF yet?

Annie sounds like you had a lovely holiday and good that the weather was kind to you.

On the donor egg question, it is something that I would consider if I needed to and I don't think DH would have an issue with it. In fact my BFF has already said she will donate me some of her eggs if ever I needed them (not sure if it works like that though...). Are there rules around age and adoption then here? That is a shame if there are as it is something I would consider as well if we could not have a child of our own.

My two friends who are 40 and giving birth this year were both quite heavy drinkers and smokers, one was 1st round IVF and the other natural (while on the pill). I have thought about giving up drinking but that is as far as it's gone, I have quite a stressful job and one of the highlights of my week is meeting my friends at the pub on a Friday after work for a couple of glasses of wine. I think stress is much more influential on conception than some other factors that get a lot of attention. I hear so many stories about people who were very stressed trying to conceive and then when they gave up -and relaxed- that's when they fell pregnant.

Oh and my mum, she fell pregnant when she was 47!! Yes, she did miscarry, but she was still able to conceive at that age... it is really hard to go month after month with nothing happening, especially when it seems everyone around you is getting knocked up! But I still try to remain positive and think it will happen one day, in the meantime I will enjoy the luxury of being able to go down to the pub on a Friday without having to worry about a babysitter!

My HCG test was a bit of a trauma, I don't want to go too overboard and put anyone off who hasn't yet but may need to have one, but I fell into the category of 'never would I go through that again'. It's strange reading the posts on the web as the painfulness/or not of the procedure varies so much from person to person. The radiology consultant did tell me after that woman with endometriosis (which I have) do find it more painful, I guess that didn't help. She did manage to tell me that the dye did fill my tubes, yay, but not anything about 'spillage' (which I have read about on the www). I think she might have stopped early as I was crying out in painnot enjoying it very much...Anyway it's done now, so next step is getting follow up appointment with the -lovely- fertility consultant to see what all the results are.

Have a lovely weekend all.

HS26 · 28/08/2015 17:37

Interesting reads today, everyone :-)

Daisy, still got my fingers crossed for you. I think Jessie is right when she says most women seem to need multiple 'goes' for it to work. I know it's hard to go through the disappointment, but it gives me some comfort to know that it's 'normal' for it to be a bit of a long road (potentially).

I think I've actually decided that if my NHS IVF doesn't work (which I'm expecting) I won't pay for any more. I'll do the HSG dye test thingy (sorry it was horrible for you, Sparrow!) and then just keep trying. Then if there's still nothing, I'll consider IVF with donor eggs down the road - but possibly a year and a half or so down the road. Of course I might change my mind about all this, but this is what I'm thinking at the moment. I think DH will just go along with whatever I want to do, but I feel like I don't want to spend thousands on IVF and drain down his savings which he's worked really hard over the years to build up. He's totally supporting me in this, but I know that for him it wouldn't be so terrible if it never happened.

Sparrow, I've decided I'm going to go ahead with the IVF next month, or at least get the ball rolling (not sure what the time scale is at the particular clinic we've chosen because there seems to be a few prelim appointments before things properly get going). I'm just not going to worry about the new job and just take things as they come.

Inshock, thank you so much for telling us your story. I feel really really encouraged by that because you are someone who it took a little while for, but it did happen. I do wonder whether that's just normal 'at our age'. Of course there are always a few who defy the odds, but stats suggest that it would normally take longer to happen than for a younger woman. Really wish you well with your second attempt!!

Have a great weekend, everyone ... think lots of positive thoughts!!

Inshock73 · 29/08/2015 09:07

Jessie - I saw a fertility specialist after trying for 6 months following mmc, £200 for a 10 min appt!! He advised me to give it a year before heading down the IVF route as in his words, IVF would be mentally and physically gruelling and very expensive. Due to being almost 41 at the time and waiting lists so long in my area I would be too old to get it on the NHS. He said ttc when you're 'older' takes longer and has 'challenges'. He did say it was my choice and the only reservation he had was if u hadn't conceived within that year I would then be another year older before reviewing options again. In terms of tests, my ovarian reserve was low which apparently is normal at 40/41 and my FSH was 9.

Inshock73 · 29/08/2015 09:09

Thank you HS26 I wish you luck too. x

Daisyboo1203 · 29/08/2015 14:13

Just a quicky as it's bedtime in HK. I got the results of my second test. My number doubled!! Blush Clinic is very happy! They said lots of people start low, it's the doubling that is most important. He gave an example of someone starting at 20, and having a healthy daughter now.
So for today this is good news and I am happy. Smile
Next test Monday to check again. So fingers still crossed for a long while.

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Daisyboo1203 · 01/09/2015 09:59

So my hcg didn't double again Sad So it's over this time for me. I'm sad now, the clinic have been lovely though. I am already thinking about plan B (although I have an obstacle of getting meds to HK!)

But for now.....wine!!!!! Wine

JessieMcJessie · 01/09/2015 11:29

Oh Daisy so sorry to hear that. I logged on especially to see if you had posted an update (despite vowing to stop using Mumsnet while at work...).

Enjoy that well-deserved drink, and focus on the many success stories from other women with low AMH. I guess you can keep trying the unmedicated AI way with your friend as well in the meantime? Or could you get something like clomid without being married I wonder? I had a very nice British female GP in HK, pm me if you want her details.

And at least you've found out a lot about your body and can use that info to refine the next IVF of you do go that way again.

HS when are you having the HSG? Good that you've thought through how you might move forward after the NHS IVF, let's hope though that you don't have to.

My egg collection will be on Friday. At the scan yesterday the nurse saw that all 6 of the follicles they'd seen at the baseline had developed to a good size so in her words I have "fulfilled my potential". Sadly that potential was way below that of a younger woman and won't give us too many to play with (no guarantee the 6 follicles will produce 6 mature eggs) but at least my body is rising to the challenge as much as it can.

I hadn't really researched the egg collection process till yesterday and it was only then that I realised that of course they don't go in via your fallopian tubes. Turns out they don't go into he uterus at all, as they stick a needle through the wall of your vagina into the ovaries and suck out all the fluid and along with it hopefully the eggs. I'm glad I'll be out for the count but am actually a bit relieved that there is no poking about in the uterus this time.

However I am dreading getting our "exam results" on Saturday i.e. how many have fertilised and what grade they are. Then the nailbiting updates until transfer day (up to 5 days!). DH and I are both annoying academic overachievers and have probably never had a B for anything in our lives Smile.

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Daisyboo1203 · 01/09/2015 13:50

Hi Jessie, I was going to ask how you are getting on, been thinking about you. Sounds like you are doing amazingly!!! I got only 3 follicles.
I am sure you will get 4 or 5 good 'uns.
Will be thinking of you on friday!

And yes please, PM me details of GP, I emailed 'fertility2u' website and they said they don't deliver meds to HK cos they usually get rejected by customs. So I am slightly freaking out about plan b, whether I can actually do anything where I start meds in HK. If I can't get meds I can't do anything til next summer. Sob!

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