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Just MC and ready to try again? Pregnant after MC and seeking somewhere safe to hide? Come on down to the mosh pit for some serious metalling and cake

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MarthasHarbour · 19/03/2012 10:50

Continuation of the last thread.

There's cake for scoffing, backs for patting, and screeching death metal for all your metalling moments. All welcome so come on in and get settled into the plush sofas!

Dictionary:

So settle into the mosh pit, we have special VIP area's for those on the 2WW, the new bumps metalling with segregated areas for the first/second/third trimesters and the club class cocktail bar for those who have just got AF and can get-pissed let loose for the first two weeks!

The standard 'form' of the thread is the first one on in the morning brings the brekkie! Wink

And this will be a very special thread, it is the one where our first 'graduate' gives us our first bambino Go on IQ give us a twirl if-you can be arsed in your full term state

OP posts:
mrsnesbit · 12/04/2012 13:02

Hi ladies,
Had a rough night, exhausted but couldnt sleep. Fell asleep on the sofa this morning, went for a wee and large amount of "gunk" when i wiped, so this is probably the start of it.

Feel "strange", cant explain.

Sad How is everyone today? tits, mw visits!! YAY!!!!!
farfallarocks · 12/04/2012 13:48

poppy very nice to hear from you, that sounds like heaven!

leedy I have gone to an F already, up 2 cup sizes, everyone at work can tell I am preggers cos of the size of my norks I reckon. Goodness knows where i will end up.

mrsn very sorry to hear that and I hope that if it is what you think, it passes quickly and painlessly as possible.
I know you have said you are 'done' with it but it looks like you have never been tested for NK cells, would this be an option for you? The treatment is fairly cheap steroids (pred) and intralipids. You could ask your consultant to prescribe the steroids for you and treat empricially even without the expensive tests, some will agree to do this, especially with your history. Clexane also has immune effect.

mrsnesbit · 12/04/2012 14:21

Thanks but i am nearly 42, i have been discharged from Liverpool, it really isnt worth it. The type of mcs i have are blighted ovum, this has been explained to me as a chromosomal issue.
I think that if we were to give it one last go, and i took the steroids and intralipids, it would do nothing but prolong the innevitable ensuing miscarriage.
Having had hormone injections and asprin during my last pregnancy...this is exactly what it did, it prolonged the agony for longer than was necissary.

As you can see i have little faith in any of these treatments, i strongly believe based on my experience, that there is nothing that they can do, no explanations or answers and that they are just stabbing in the dark for 80% of the time.
They told me that they do not know why 80% of mcs occur, that was a stark and shocking fact and was the deciding factor for us to stop ttc.
I was never going to get any answers, nor a happy outcome.
Defeated, finally after 10 years.

Dunno, i spose that i have a very practical and removed view of it since i stepped out of the arena. Couldnt see the wood for the trees whilst in the thick of it.

MarthasHarbour · 12/04/2012 15:31

mrsn i am so very sorry Sad hope you are settled on a comfy sofa with your feet up. sending the chocolates and a Brew

i am still here lurking, still in a bit of a mindfeck about TTC but i am with you all. I did a IC last night at CD21 which came up BFN, but then it is still early, I am hopeful for next Wednesday but if AF comes then, i dont know.

someone give me a shake! no licking please - really, its gross oh-go on then just a little one

missc you about 18+3 now then? Grin

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sunshinesue · 12/04/2012 15:54

hello everyone (sneaks back in more than slightly embarrassed Blush. I think I may have been over-reacting to call a mc and disappear on the mother of a metalling sessions.....

As quickly as it started the bleeding stopped after a couple of hours on Tuesday (but not before I'd dramatically announced to my husband I wasn't pregnant anymore Blush).

I'm still not particularly hopeful of a good outcome but I'm pretty sure I haven't mc yet. I'm super confused, had full on red bleeding like the start of AF when I wiped and a little on the pad that seemed like it was only going to get worse but it didn't and apart from a tiny, tiny bit of spotting I've been clear for nearly 48 hours now & pregnancy test still very strong positive. Have an appointment with the DR this evening, though I'm not sure what they'll be able to say/do.

I'm so sorry for your bad news mrsn, both my mc were blighted ovum, it's heartbreaking. I think you are a hell of a lot braver than I could be by trying as many times as you have done, I genuinely don't know if I could do it. xxx

MandaHugNKiss · 12/04/2012 17:52

mrsn Yup, yup, to that removed, pragmatic view. Who wouldn't have slipped into that stae in your shoes - be it acceptance, denial, self preservation or a combo of all of them at differing times that takes you there.

But and I hope I'm not speaking out of turn here: given what you said yesterday, I think I should be ok there's something about the way you fell pregnant despite it all that is saying maybe, just maybe, it's not quite time to throw the towel in finally.

Yes, you're 42 (recently, or are you nearer 43?) but if you've had all but every test 'they' can come up with and they've come back 'normal' then I think you've got a chance. Maybe even a good chance if you want to have the energy throw yourself at it. I'm assuming your FSH wasn't horribly high? Couldn't be, or else you wouldn't be 'unexplained' infertility. So, your ovaries must work ok/you are not entering the menopause.

So! You could 'try' getting you and DH into tip top physical condition - this will mean taking supplements, some clinically 'unproven' (such as the high dose b vits I'm an advocate of) but anecdotally have helped many women with unexplained infertility (and actually, in IVF high dose b vits taken by patients when they stim produced more high grade eggs, so that IS some clinical evidence). Your body clearly doesn'y have an issue getting pregnant - so it would seem logic would dictate improving the quality of your eggs, right?

As I type this, though, I recognise the leap of faith it would take to say, actually, we are going to try this. Especially not knowing for sure it would work, especially knowing that potentially all that might happen is you set yourself up for another mc. I don't know whether it's something you can properly think about or if you just go with how your gut feels.

I'm guessing IVF would be out of the question for you?

And I will stop throwing questions at you/seeming 'ever-the-optimist' (which I'm really not! But something about you... I dunno, I just feel all is not lost and I'm uncharacteristically optimistic for you!) and shut up!

marff you may, or may not, recall my wobbles, quite bad ones, too, as I went into my LP each month... suddenly convinced I didn't want to ttc. I think it's a variation of 'normal' (ha!) and obviously a self preservation thing. Obviously if it becomes the pervading thought through most of your cycle then it woulod be fair to say it is truly how you feel. But I don't think you're quite there, yet, eh?

poppy!! Yay for you and your pampering ahead. Lovely to 'see' you. Please do report flavour of the baby once you find out Grin

sue Well... I guess it ain't over until I start singing! Ok, I'm not actually fat but at 35 weeks I sure look it! (although Angry for you tits at assuming your BMI, and assuming unflatteringly! Not to mention what it would mean with regards to their 'fears' for you as the pregnancy continues...). Hopwfully the dr will refer you for an early scan to get a better idea of what is happening?

I... ok, I've been waffling on. I spoke to the bereavement midwife on the phone today for half an hour and she's making me an appointment with my consultant next week plus a face to face appointment with her for may 1st. I feel odd... saying stuff to her, fears, anxieties I have, it's all made me feel weird. Because mostly I push it all down, y'know? But, yeah, the ball is rolling and OMG! My due date is only five weeks away (and I'm measuring 40 weeks - joy)

mrsnesbit · 12/04/2012 18:31

Manda bless you for your enthusiasm and your very very contageous hope, i love that!

OOh yes, as this one was such a surprise i had thought and hoped that maybe, just maybe.....also mil died about 6 weeks ago and i was even thinking that she would be looking out for us....dumbass that i am!

I am 41, 42 in July, i am tired after 10 years of ttc, of being in top health, of having no alcohol, nothing caffinated, taking suppliments for this that & the other. For keeping a bmi at a healthy level, fo watching the calender, for thinking & hoping every single month...maybe, maybe????

In recent years it has taken longer & longer to concieve, 22 months last try. This to me screams that my fertility is failing....but then 6 months after that mc...a very very faint + result.
IVF is not an option.

BUT today...i am pregnant, today there is hope that this will continue, with difficulty, but there is that hope there....

Manda, thankyou so much for all of your lovely gorgeous posts, you are a tonic, i cant thank you enough, you just dont know what a difference your loveliness makes to me, a freakish stranger with a broken oven and a broken heart ont tinternet, thankyou lovely lady xxxx

NoMoreMarbles · 12/04/2012 19:02

Thanks for all the AC advice lovely ladiesSmile I took my first two this morning!
My cycles have been erratic at best since I had my coil after DD was born and once it was removed, apart from not being as heavy they are still up the wallHmm this cycle was 40 days whilst last cycle was 29 days the one before was 27 days and my average over the last 12 months was 36 daysHmm also my LP varies from 8-11 days when I temped for 18 months and my prog is In the lower range of normal in the tests I had and there was some discussion of suppositories and early preg prog testing... I'm thinking it can hardly make things much worse can itSmile I have been checked for PCOS I do get large ovarian cysts but not regularly and never more than one at a time...

Hope everyone is well (mrsN thinking of you xx)

mercator · 12/04/2012 21:31

mrsn so sorry to hear what you've been going through and hope y ou don't mind me dropping in but I did want to say there is an amazing book by a Dr de beer ' is my body baby friendly' available on amazon which is intriguing when you have suffered recurrent miscarriages.

I have had 4 in total, 3 last year which left me devastated. I am 42 and having read that after my 3rd mc self referred privately to Mr Shehata, I have very high NK cells which basically kill the embryo. I had to believe there was a reason for me miscarrying and I was lucky 6 weeks after my last mc I finally had a reason why I ws miscarrying. THe NHS in general can be sceptical of this treatment but Having now seen so many women carry on the treatment plan of steroids, intralipids if required and progesterone, plus aspirin and Vits Ai am a firm believer. I am now 17 weeks pregnancy and wouldn't be here without his help.

Please do look into this before throwing in the towel.

I hope you don't mind me mentioning it. I do appreciate its a very personal choice but I could not read and run without sharing this with you.

Thinking of you.

BottleRed76 · 12/04/2012 22:29

Ladies,

Mrs N - What sht luck! I really really hope you get a break. What a shtter to still be in the unknown zone. Keeping it all crossed for you.

Tiago - the name 'WTF month' is very fitting! Couldn't have put it better myself.

CD18 and still reading 'low fertility' on the monitor. FFS!!!!

Comforting to hear of those of you getting BFP soon after mc.

JaffaSnaffle · 13/04/2012 08:52

Roll up, roll up, bacon butties and porridge here!

Hope everyone is ok.

I am feeling a bit scared. 10 weeks today if everything is going right. Reached double figures. suddenly seems a bit more real.

TitsalinaBumSquash · 13/04/2012 09:00

Morning ladies.

Sorry you're going through it mrsn I hope you find some peace in whatever is going on soon.

I'm still in bed, I have woken up (kind of) really struggling to maintain heat and I'm shaking like a leaf, blood sugar maybe???
The boys are already out playing so I think I'll be resting most the day until they need to go to their fathers this afternoon. Then no doubt dp will drag me out somewhere to eat and watch a film.

Never got onto maternity clothes yesterday, bras are pretty urgent though! Grin

Midgetm · 13/04/2012 09:14

I'm in bed with tits. Well not actually with tifs but in spirit I am. Actually I am in DD's cot bed. Good job I am a midget.

Thanks for the sarnie jaffa you read my mind.

I have to say nrsN I am with manda on the hope thing with you. I know hope can be a bitch because it hurts when it lets you down but if chromosomes are the problem then the law of averages should throw up at least one good un. I would be tempted to just check out killer cells. But I know how you feel about throwing the towel in. That's how I felt too. It took me months to even have sex after my last loss. here's Hopi g you are well looked after. X

I have had at least 2 days almost metal free. Blimey. Roll on the weekend x

sunshinesue · 13/04/2012 12:06

had a scan this morning and bloody hell there was a heartbeat Shock. I was 100% expecting the worst and it didn't really enter my head that they'd be able to see a heartbeat, I thought the best they'd be able to tell would be that there is something there but it's too early to tell.

A long, long way to go but not a bad start.....

pebspop · 13/04/2012 12:09

good news sunshine - i will be keeping my fingers crossed for you. how far along are you?

Midgetm · 13/04/2012 12:09

great news sunshine smiling with you x

sunshinesue · 13/04/2012 12:47

thanks! I'm 5+5, (by scan and by my dates). I didn't even know it was possible to see a heartbeat this early. AND they didn't need to do an internal scan which was a bonus (I've had so many of these I've lost count).

WhyAlwaysBoris · 13/04/2012 13:00

really happy for you sunshine

jaffa can't believe you are in double figures already :)

MandaHugNKiss · 13/04/2012 13:08

Fantastic news sunshine

leedy · 13/04/2012 13:46

Great news sunshine!

mrsnesbit · 13/04/2012 14:40

dark dark day today.
SadSadSad
bleeding heavier and red now.
Grumbling pain started. Ive got some industrial strength painkillers but not sure when to take them.

Stopped asprin now. Dont want to make a bad situation worse.

Feeling very low and tearful.

NoMoreMarbles · 13/04/2012 14:44

mrsN SadSad so sorrySadSad take the painkillers now and call the EPAU again

kirrinIsland · 13/04/2012 15:19

So sorry mrsM :(

JaffaSnaffle · 13/04/2012 15:33

Oh MrsN I am so sorry. It is just so horrid. I wish things were different for you. I'll be thinking about you.

leedy · 13/04/2012 15:35

Oh, mrsn, so very very sorry. Thinking of you from over here, and take the painkillers - IIRC it's good to get on top of pain before it really starts kicking your arse, and it won't do you any harm.