Just MC and ready to try again? Pregnant after MC and seeking somewhere safe to hide? Come on down to the mosh pit for some serious metalling and cake

[MarthasHarbour]

Continuation of the last thread.

There's cake for scoffing, backs for patting, and screeching death metal for all your metalling moments. All welcome so come on in and get settled into the plush sofas!

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So settle into the mosh pit, we have special VIP area's for those on the 2WW, the new bumps metalling with segregated areas for the first/second/third trimesters and the club class cocktail bar for those who have just got AF and can get-pissed let loose for the first two weeks!

The standard 'form' of the thread is the first one on in the morning brings the brekkie!

And this will be a very special thread, it is the one where our first 'graduate' gives us our first bambino Go on IQ give us a twirl if-you can be arsed in your full term state

jaffa well remembered! yes my first day back at work, was absolutely shattered after 5 hrs and went home. Glad my work are very understanding. And my laptop went beserk and shut me out. The only other person in the office said it was a sign that I should pack up and go home for the day!

tits glad scan was good, though waiting around for 3 wks is hard

midget am very curious to know how you check knickers in public!!

pebs thinking of you x

martha hope you're feeling better, well pregnant and not ill anyway! I'm pulling at the ropes of the VIP lounge too, then freaking out and running away!

grandpoo did you already tell us about the appt last week? Sorry if I've missed it, what was underwhelming?

oh and mumtum have a very lovely wedding!

missc am I right in thinking that if your original due date is approaching, you have been through all this with coffee bean and mini toe in 9 months???? Sorry I joined this thread and immediately got the ectopic which means I'm not really on the ball. If I've got it right, then you are properly allowed to metal, have weekly scans, Personal Midwife, whatever you want!

thanks tas but my MO is that i get all the symptoms then AF arrives i am soooo stepping away from the CB digi (not pissing on £7 unless i am sure of a BFP ) however the ICs are calling me

give me strength! will pass on the fried chicken thanks grumpus but i enjoyed my bangers and mash for tea (cant be feeling that pukey then)

slaps manda on the back and mock punches her arm

i have just created a profile page with pics of DH and DS, dont judge me on my wrinkles - i am almost 40 donchaknow! glares-at manda for being the same age with flawless skin and long hair

mumtum have a lovely metalling free wedding

tas you really don't want to know....

Evening all...just marking my place on this shiny new thread...think I may be coming down with a cold which is not good timing for all the work I have to get through this week! Will catch up properly tomorrow...

Not quite tas coffee bean was before DD. Not sure I could fit them all into nine months actually that'd be 14+17+15 which would have made me 46 weeks pregnant if you roll them all into one package No no space for even a WTF cycle in there either! But you are half right - I conceived DD in coffee bean's WTF cycle meaning that time I was pregnant for 58 weeks with a 2 week break - and it's mini-toe's due date next week meaning I've done 32 weeks of pregnancy in the last 9 months....yikes :( No wonder my pregnancies always seem so long!

Glad your work are being nice. Well done on breaking your duck though. Do you feel better about going back tomorrow?

Ahhh hello martha nice to see you. Your DS is a proper cutie. And I see no wrinkles! Fingers crossed for this month xxx

midget HOW to knicker check in public? I've done some mighty personal things in public but that one will need some explaining

Hope you feel better soon blue - early night?

Hi all, sorry for not name checking

Ds3 is ill with a virus, so no sleep for nearly a week. Af is due weds but feeling soooo tired I've hardly thought about it

Hope everyone is ok

shiny new thread and luxurious new mosh pit...lovely. Apoogies for the lack of name check, but trying to MN with toddler lurking is not conducive to thoroughness.

Lays out breakfast goodies: crumpets with so much butter it leaks through, croissants with dinky pots of conserves (save the big jars with the crumbs in for DHs and DPs), and some left over carrot and banana cake with lemon cream cheese icing in the hope that it gets eaten before I scoff the lot or the cat gets it.

moomin hoping your DS perks up and you all get some sleep sometime soon.

So thinking in terms of silver linings for those who found AF caught them. Each month during AF I get a bit pissed each night, drink lots of coffee and go horseriding with abandon. Fitting into wedding dress and not getting eaten alive by mozzies has to be a bonus I guess mumtum.

Great sympathy for people waiting for scans. I have mixed feelings about them, as they could provide a moment's reassurance, and I'm sure if I get pt again I will be asking for an early one. But I also know that they don't actually change anything or stop the worst happening, I guess the NT / 12 week one and anomaly /20 week ones are different. And even the growth scans later on if required. I had lots of those, and they didn't really pick up DS's lack of growth or my low fluids. But of course one goes, because you'd metal even more if you didn't IYSWIM. For me the worst thing about the scans is the wait before discovering my mmc and confirming it. If you have been TTC for any length of time you are going to be pretty certain about your dates, I mean you might be a few days out, but not weeks and weeks, to the point where they think you could have ovulated up to 6 weeks later than you really did, which is what happened with me and resulted in me waiting over 2 weeks for the ERPC. Rant over.....for now.

2WW here. FF says I ovulated saturday and says AF due next wednesday, which is 10 DPO. LP was always 14 days before mc, so not that pleased it's now 10 days, but hoping the B6 will improve that. OTOH it guess a 10DW is better than 14 days sitting around poking my boobs! FF gives us a High score for our SWI this month. I'd give it a high score too .

Hi Tits you can always go for a private scan if you dont want to wait. I had a scan every week from wk 5. Was so much easier to cope with just one wk at a time rather than 3. And my boobs have barely been sore with this pregnancy. My prevoius 3 the boobs were really sore but this one (which is the only one where I have got to 12 wks) not much. So each pregnancy is different.

Welcome mrsnesbitt. Are you getting any support with this pregnancy? This is number 4 for me, after 3 MCs and this one I had lots of intervention, blood thinners, progesterone supplements etc etc. After 6 MCs I really hope they are giving you something.

Hello everyone, thanks for the shiny new thread!

I would like to ask you some questions about the PM results (and have a bit of a moan) but it is v personal and some of my q's could out me in real life.

Does anyone know, if i write stuff on the thread, can i then delete the entries in a couple of days time, and if so how do i do this, or is there another way of writing stuff so it won't be around forever and visible to everyone?

why yes you can, you can report your own post and ask for it be deleted.

midget I also want to know about public knicker checking as would save me a few trips to the loo!!

tits I also just lurk on the November thread, I can't take the unbridled optimism and people buying clothes and buggies (!!!) at 5 weeks. Also statistically, a few people on that thread will miscarry and I can't help having morbid thoughts about it so I think its best I stay away!

I have also been told 3 weeks between scans. My consultant said that 8/9 weeks is a very important milestone and so its best to wait until you are compfrtably over 8 weeks for another scan. His view is there is that there should always be a reason for a scan (to check location, then viability) to make sure the risks don;t outweigh the reward. Having said that he did say if I wanted reassurance that would be enough for him to agree it but on balance I am trying to hold out!!

I have been to the GP and made it official, they were rubbish.
No mat B form, no forms of any kind, foudn my history very hard to understand and told me my first midwife appoitment would be AFTER the scan at 16-18 weeks. Nightmare. So I have self-referred to the hospital and will follopw up in a few days, i really need to change GPs, thank goodness I knew it was rubbish.

boris you could always start a thread in Off The Beaten Track topic, that stays on MN but is not visible to non members. If you def want the posts removed after a couple of days then just report your post and ask MN to delete it as it contains personal info, i have done it before and they were pretty quick off the mark. Alternatively you can PM a couple of us (such as MissC as she sadly has had a PM on mini toe, also someone else and i am that i cannot remember)

bonzo i know exactly what you mean about scans, DH and I want a private one if we get PG again but are not sure when to do it, do we go for 8 weeks for reassurance - although my LO left us at 10 weeks last year and was probably beating away at 8 weeks... in our area they dont scan you until 14 weeks now (outrageous i know - it was a 10 week scan with DS but they have merged maternity units now so they are under the kosh) so do we go for 11 weeks and see how it goes

I think i am out this month anyway after yesterdays metalling. Off sick today as i have caught blues cold so i POAS on an IC, it came up BFN. I am only CD25 but i reckon it would show by now. So am waiting for AF to arrive and moving forward for a xmas baby! (moomins i saw you comment on the xmas baby thread, i couldnt help myself but to tell her to just go for it)

oh god yes midget do tall all about public knicker checking

hello everyone

i am still waiting for my scan on thursday. i decided to stay off work this week, i thought it was best to spend some time on my own while dh is at work.

i am still getting pg symptoms which is really frustrating. i can't keep my eyes open after 9pm. i feel this is a good thing as otherwise i might be up all night worrying. my boobs are still sore and my belly is really bloated. it is so annoying to be getting these signs. if i hadn't been for my early scans i would have been still thinking i was pg and wouldn't have found out until the 12 week scan. these symptoms are giving me a tiny bit of hope that something will be ok on thursday and there might be a heartbeat but it really doesn't look good.

i have decided i will be going for the erpc. i am scared of the ga but it is the same fear i seem to have of flying - that i will not wake up/the plane will crash and i will die. it's a bit irrational as i have no underlying health problems and should be ok. i will only be under for a short time, it only takes about 5/10 mins to do the erpc.

when would i expect af to come back? last time after my late mc it took 12 long weeks. they were the longest weeks of my life! i am sure it came back about 6-7 weeks after my last erpc.

i think i will get back into my charting during wtf cycle and see if i can get pg before af comes back at all. dh is on board for trying straight away.

boris i have had a pm on my late miscarriage so you can ask me something if you want.

martha is cd 25 not a bit early to be testing? it's not over till af says it is!

forgot to say midget i really want to hear about this public knicker checking!!!

why are you based in London or are you willing to travel? You can ask to be referred to St mary's in Paddington or see them privately. They are the best for these sorts of issues and they will see you on the NHS after one late loss or 3 early losses.

I had tests done at local NHS hospital and was told all fine, just bad luck etc

I went privately to St Marys after 2 early MCs (they were both before 6 weeks but I just had a feeling something was wrong) They do a very specific test there which I don;t think is done anywhere else. Voila - impaired fibrogenic response (which is often linked to PCOS which I also have) discovered and treatment of heparin from BFP prescribed.
They also repeat this test when pregnant because some women can test normal and only develop a clotting problem in pregnancy.

I am sorry you are going through this, it really is bad they did not test the placenta after everything you and the doctors went through to get it to them.

boris

i had a pm which showed the placenta had lots of blood clots in it. my blood tests came back normal so i do not appear to have a clotting disorder. i had already had my blood tests and karyotyping tests done and was given all the results at the same time as my pm results. i asked for a referall to the miscarriage clinic in liverpool but my consultant said they wouldn't do any more tests than she had done. she used to work there so she seemed to know about it. i might ask to go there this time anyway.

i have heard about the clotting tests at st marys but i don't think you can have that test done anywhere else.

my consultant gave me 5mg of folic acid to take before conception and 75mg asprin from bfp. i was also supposed to be having heparin injections as well but i had spotting in this pg so i couldn;t start it.

i don't think this mc i am currently having is going to be related to the clotting as it is much earlier than my previous ones and has the added complication of being twins in the same pregnancy sac which is really rare.

i will be getting investigations done though to find out what has happened.

Thanks far, I am indeed in London. I asked the consultant if i could go to st mary's yesterday and he said absolutely not based on one miscarriage. Maybe if his tests don't find anything i could try again? I'm definitely not able to fund private referral there (assuming it costs hundreds of pounds, if its not too rude would appreciate a rough estimate of what it cost), but probably completely beyond our means. I might be able to scrape together enough to pay for some private blood tests (not that i know about how to get them!), particuarly the one you mention. I will google madly impaired fibrogenic response now.

My panic is becuase the consultant seems pretty sure in himself that it is a clotting issue (he told me to start taking aspirin if i get a bpf before my next apointment with him and to ring his office up and they would get me in to see him the same day as my bfp, so clearly he thinks i'm going to need some kind of help). I just can't stand the thought of using another pregnancy to check clotting issues out , if that isn't too mad a way of thinking about it.

pebs you are so kind to reply to me when i consider what you have on your plate at the moment. Thank you, i appreciate it.

It seems really scary that your clotting tests came back negative when there were blood clots in your placenta... something must have caused the clotting, surely? it just seems weird to me that they didn't think 'we have to keep going until we find the right test' rather than just stopping. Maybe i'm expecting too much, i don't know. This is my fear though, that the standard tests seem a bit rubbish, and its hard to get the others.

Quick check-in to wave at everyone in the shiny new thread and add some croissants to the buffet.

pebs, still thinking of you - I can see how it must be some kind of relief to know that the twins-in-same-sac thing is just a very rare "one of those things" things, but still must be tough.

I am 12 DPO and having the usual "is it PMS or pregnancy" symptom fun (ie nearly falling asleep in front of the telly at 10pm), but am determined not to test til Thursday at the earliest. makes resolute face

why* I am right in thinking you had a late loss? In which case they will see you after 'just' one, your GP is talking squit (as lots are prone to do I am learning)

I did all the tests through them and that, along with consultant fee for 2 meetings was £1000 (!!!)

You could however just ask for the clotting test (TEG) which I think was £149 although you will need to do it twice if the first time you do it you are not pregnant as some women only develop problems once pregnant.

There are lots of different clotting problems, some solved by aspirin, others heparin. I am not on aspirin for example. However, in my case, I was told it was vital I started heparin immediately as outcomes improve if it is started before 6 weeks (better implantation) which is obviously different to the advice pebs and others have received.

Push to get referred on the NHS though, it may be that you need a consultant referral versus a GP. Good luck!

far it was what they count as a late loss, i think (20 weeks), but it was the consultant who i asked for a st mary's referral who said no, so don't think there is much wriggle room there....
I also asked him outright for a TEG test yesterday as i'd read about it on these threads (doctors must hate the internet) but he said that was a recurrent miscarriage only test so no need for me to have it- i can't understand the logic of this- surely what a mc and a erpc costs the nhs is massively more than an extra blood test.
I'm wondering if i could just ring st marys up and ask if i can have just the TEG test privately or if i have to have the initial consultation etc also.

I would call them directly if I were you, I can't find the referral criteria online ( i have been looking for you!) but I remember reading they will see you after one late loss, perhaps try calling and seeing what they say.

If they say yes i would go back to the consultant and insist he refers you, really hold your ground. The issue with the TEG is also HOW they do it apparently (they do something differently at st marys, canlt remember what they do) and the reference ranges are different i.e. they might say on criteria X anything under 5 is a problem for example whereas nationwide the reference range might say anything under 20 is ok (this is just an example)

I am pretty sure you will need the consultation to take your history and also to interpret the results.

Sorry to to hear the consultant is being difficult, why oh why they don;t all just do the sames tests as st marys I don;t know!!!