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Just MC and ready to try again? Pregnant after MC and seeking somewhere safe to hide? Come on down to the mosh pit for some serious metalling and cake

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MarthasHarbour · 19/03/2012 10:50

Continuation of the last thread.

There's cake for scoffing, backs for patting, and screeching death metal for all your metalling moments. All welcome so come on in and get settled into the plush sofas!

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So settle into the mosh pit, we have special VIP area's for those on the 2WW, the new bumps metalling with segregated areas for the first/second/third trimesters and the club class cocktail bar for those who have just got AF and can get-pissed let loose for the first two weeks!

The standard 'form' of the thread is the first one on in the morning brings the brekkie! Wink

And this will be a very special thread, it is the one where our first 'graduate' gives us our first bambino Go on IQ give us a twirl if-you can be arsed in your full term state

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mrsnesbit · 28/03/2012 13:46

scan in a couple of weeks.
Pointless going to GP, i only usually went in the past so that my mcs were recorded on my file for referral to reoccuring miscarriage clinic...also to prescribe painkillers which never touch my pain any way.

Im not going down that route, so not much point taking up an appointment.

Pebs embarrased is the only way to describe how i feel.
We had told every one that we had stopped trying.
I was discharged from the reoccuring miscarriage clinic as there is absolutely nothing they can do, they can offer no reasons for the losses and cannot give us any treatment or advice.
Im 42 this summer, it usually takes about 18 months to 2 years to get pregnant, this has come after 6 months only! So a miracle.

I just thought "maybe, just maybe..."

pebspop · 28/03/2012 14:03

that is shit mrsn. it must be so frustrating for you that the clinic can't find an answer to your problems.

do you have any children?

would you look at adoption?

pebspop · 28/03/2012 14:04

sorry to bombard you with questions mrsn have you been tested for the NK cells?

JaffaSnaffle · 28/03/2012 14:04

Off for my scan, feeling sick. Dreading going back to the EPU. Hope so much that it is 3rd time lucky for me.

MrsN thinking about you. I always feel embarrassed too, like I have let everyone down somehow. Take care x

mrsnesbit · 28/03/2012 14:22

Thanks and i have everything crossed for you Jaffa x

Pebs i have an 8 year old son. I had 2 mcs before i had him, x1 baby with hb, mc at 9 weeks, then blighted ovem, mc at 13 weeks.

after ds i have had 4 more mcs, 3 blighted ovums x1 baby with hb seen on scan.

I was told by liverpool that i had had a total of 22 diferent tests to try to ascertain the reasons for my troubles. All normal. DH aslo had a battery of bloods and semen testing..all normal.

Blighted ovums are possibly chromosomal i was told.

We had given up all hope, completely and utterly happy & gratefull with our boy, who is wonderful & gorgeous and very precious.

My mil died last month and we stupidly thought that maybe she would look after us and that this would be for very good reason...what a stupid way of thinking ffs.

MarthasHarbour · 28/03/2012 14:44

mrsn my nan died in Jan last year just as i got pg, i had it in my head that it was 'life reborn' and all that bollocks, i was convinced she would look after my baby. Sadly not, my bubs left me in the March at 10 weeks pg. It is shit.

And then when my beloved Grandad died in May, i was also convinced that he would sprinkle baby dust from the heavens and see us through. 2 CPs later and i truly believe that it is all bollocks and a gamble.

Sending you my love. FWIW i think you should still go for that scan in 2 weeks. Go with an open mind.

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MarthasHarbour · 28/03/2012 14:44

ooo jaffa FX Smile xx

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pebspop · 28/03/2012 14:48

my grandad died when i was in australia at christmas and i really thought he would sort it out for me from beyond the grave. it is all bollocks martha!

i don't know if it would be worth trying to see mr shehata mrsn. he looks at NK cells which i am not sure the NHS look at.

ChuckleMonster · 28/03/2012 15:24

I am so sorry to hear your news mrsn - so sorry that I have managed to put down the maltesers and type for the first time in a week! I hope all goes well Jaffa. Back to comfort eating and wallowing now.....

TitsalinaBumSquash · 28/03/2012 15:43

Afternoon ladies.

Sorry you're in a bad place mrsn I wish you and mrn some peace soon and time to heal as best you can.

Good luck on your scan jaffa

I am suffering the worst nausea at the moment, I will have a strong craving for something then when it goes to go in my mouth my stomach turns and I can't bare it near me. I have been living off cheese nibbles and mini gingerbread men the past couple of days.

JaffaSnaffle · 28/03/2012 16:42

Phew, a relieved and cautiously cheerful Jaffa here. One baby, heart beating measuring 7 +6. I make myself 7+5 so good enough, for a wtf cycle conception! I know I still have such a long way to go, I won't stop worrying until I get past the 17 wk part, but still, it is a step forward! Thank you for your fx.

bonzo77 · 28/03/2012 18:25

jaffa GrinGrinGrin

wrigle · 28/03/2012 18:45

I'm curious about the embarrassment (by the way I can't spell and haven't seen a spell check on this site yet so apologies). An MC is a physical and emotional crisis. We're not choosing to put ourselves in the position to have an MC but to have a lovely baby, and unfortunately it dosn't always go that way and some very brave women try a million times in the face of multiple miscarriages even though they are far from hey ho experiences, so why should we feel embarrassed? My experience of this so far, as a newbie to both pregnancy and MC, is to wonder why, aside from MN, women don't talk about this more and in great expansive gory detail. I have some degree of embarrassment too, I put it down to being a very private person and now all these lovely people look at me with pity and treat me with kid gloves. But I was deserving of their sympathy and special consideration, we are all when it happens. I'm wondering if it is still somewhat taboo to talk about lady troubles? I want to be clear, I am still hormonal and am angry, but not at MNers, you have been the place where I have been able to think and work out wtf happened, so I am just wondering alloud! Im curious to hear people's thoughts about the embarrassment.

twolittlemonkeys · 28/03/2012 18:50

Jaffa, great news :) I'm still hoping for a wtf cycle conception.... My cycles are 'wtf' at the best of times, so never have a clue when I'm OVing. Have been metalling somewhat again today.

MrsN, so sorry :( Am keeping everything crossed that you get a positive outcome, despite the odds. I have to go to A&E when I'm MCing too, can't manage the pain at home, it's definitely worse than I remember labour being...

Have only skim-read the thread, but welcome to the newbies, I'm new myself and have found this thread really helpful and welcoming.

I've been feeling strangely rebellious over the past few days, not been taking my folic acid, want to just stuff my face with brie, pate, prawns etc just to tempt fate into giving me a BFP so I can then feel guilty. Hmm I think I'm on the 2ww, but when I'm not on Clomid, the 2ww can often turn into a 10ww with no BFP. Anyway, what else can I do to tempt fate...?

Oh, I do have a question though. How long was your WTF cycle? I can't remember my previous one (as I went right off the idea of ttc for about a year after it so was just glad not to see AF for a while). I need some distraction as the Easter holidays are going to drag if I spend all my time metalling as much as I have over the past week. It's exhausting! Relaxing with a curry tonight with DH (quite a treat as he's doing Slimming World so tends to avoid takeaways).

Sorry for all the unconnected random ramblings. Will shut up now Grin

MandaHugNKiss · 28/03/2012 19:35

mrsN Ugh, so it's limbo for you. I know, I know, you've been there too many times and know the drill... but stranger things have happened at sea and all that. God knows I don't want this to sound trite (it might anyway, so I do apologise in advance if so... I just feel it important to say) but as you are, y'know, kinda mature, and as we all know our egg quality does decline with age, have you looked at high dose b vits to try and improve your egg quality? I'm a huge advocate of the hugh dose b vits for multiple reasons (as the regulars here will know), but in your case, I mention as women going through IVF who take high dose b vits whilst in the follicular stage of their cycle have been noted to produce more and 'better quality' eggs. For anyone, I feel this is a good reason to take them - obviously some more than others will particularly benefit.

I hope I don't sound like a woo fairy, blowing sunshine up your arse: la, la, la, all you need to do is take vitamins, dontcha know?!

I just... something to consider, eh? That's IF things haven't worked out.

Jaffa WOOHOOOOOO lady, that is awesome news!

Ilove Hey, welcome and come on in. There're a few of us here with later losses - makes for a special variety of metalling once a bfp is achieved but with hand holding many of us are 'getting there'. Reassuring stats from the other thread, too.

wrigle I, too, felt an embarassment. Wait. Is that really what I felt? I mean... I felt awful to have to tell people the bad news, knowing it would make them feel bad too, y'know? I also fretted about not telling/talking about it to people though - I wanted to talk but didn't want to upset people and pardoxically didn't want people to ignore it because I wanted them to be as upset as me. That whole 'the world keeps on turning and life goes on for everyone else ' was quite difficult to deal with.

I don't know that there is any hard or fast answers - yes, mc is more common than most of ever realised before but is still taboo. And if not quite taboo then just so... emotive it's difficult to guage in 'polite society'. As members of the club ourselves I think most of use recognise that a) it's usually only other 'members' who know the 'right' or 'almost right' thing to say - those who don't 'know' often - and well meaning - put their feet in their mouths. How many of us have suffered insensitive comments, some that may have cut to the quick, but when looked at objectively we know were said with the 'best intention'. Even knowing that, we just wish, for the most part, they'd stfu. So 'they' (non club members) for the most part, can't really win. Damned if they do, damned if they don't. So, therefore, b) it's really important to seek out those who do know and so can offer the right kind of support - even if it's 'only' an ear.

At least we have sites like this. I can't imagine what a basket case I'd have been without MN, tbh, and my goodness how did women cope before MN and the internet in general? valium? seriously!

Rambly, much. I should probably proof read/edit but this is already ataking forever... must post, gotta go out for dinner...

Well, it's DF's birthday today! 35! My toyboy Grin. So, naturally, he's had ds2 most of the day whilst I went to get my hair done! And... it's not a disaster! It's still a work in progress, not entirely 'there' yet, but I don't wanna cry so that's a step forward!

Tomorrow, I shall need a morning pass out of the mosh pit for that New Look thingy. I hope I manage to sleep tonight! I had to get up at stupid o'clock this morning cos I just. Can't. Sleep. And the bags are starting to show under my eyes!

pebspop · 28/03/2012 19:54

Wrigle I would say that embarrassment was the first emotion I felt when I found out about first ever mc. I have never told anyone that before as I feel bad about it.

I feel embarrassed that I am not capable of doing something so many other people can. I feel embarrassed for getting excited about being pg and choosing what I Wang to buy a baby.

I feel embarrassed that I have a cot that isn't being used.

I hate the whole bloody thing to be honest.

My life has always been easy going, everything has been easy for me and now I have found something so difficult and there's not much I can do but hope and keep my fingers crossed.

wrigle · 28/03/2012 20:21

"I feel embarrassed that I have a cot that isn't being used", that line really kicked me. I know what you mean Pebspop. I felt bad that I'd turned my partner from someone who didn't want kids into somone who was afraid of losing me and suffering from seeing me suffer.

And I also get what you're saying MHNK, about the complex situaiton of telling people news that would upset the and at the same time kind of thinking the world makes more sense if it shares my grief. It meant so much to me that a mother I'm not close to finally became interested in me and very excited about the baby, I couldn't tell her, again it was my brave partner who stepped up to tell her.

Any hospital/GP staff I've come across have been in a damned if they do/don't situation with me. I steadfastly do not want their sympathy faces, I want them to keep their records up to date so that I don't have to inform them at each stage along the way why I'm there. But if they had not donned sympathy stances they could be criticised for the absence of that.

Of course we should each have the right to say how much we want others to know our personal experiences. But up until this experience I was Jo Public and clueless, because I was too stupid to push for more detail or my friends were too kind to divulge the details. Great, now I'm angry with myself as well! Midgetm, I may need a few moments in that moshpit if there's room.

I should say, I'm 39 and only recently realised I want a family. I'm kicking myself for my lack of insight.

pebspop · 28/03/2012 20:41

I have that bloody cot as my mil made me go shopping after my 12 week scan on my 2nd pg. When I lost the baby at 20 weeks. she bought it and mamas and papas just turned up with it one day. There was no delivery date planned. I was at work so my neighbour took it in and told everyone on my street I was pg so then I had to tell them all the bad news. My cleaner also saw it and it was the first thing she mentioned when I told her about mc.

I hate the bloody thing. It's hidden in my garage at the moment the boxes have never been opened.

MarthasHarbour · 28/03/2012 21:13

pebs sell the bloody thing, honestly i would. you will buy another one when you get pg again. that cot is making you miserable and has negative connotations. Sad how are you feeling anyway? hope you are taking it easy.

wrigle i felt so embarrassed about my 2nd CP that i didnt even tell my mother, i told MIL and she was like 'yeah' in a kind of vacant way. Its weird, why should we feel embarrassed? but we do, its still taboo. i mentioned my MC to a new friend the other day and she was all like 'oh how sad' and very lovely but i could tell she didnt really know what to say. i found myself justifying it by saying 'oh but we are fine now' yada yada, just to let her know that i am fine talking about it. Should i carry a sign round my neck i wonder? Hmm

my DH is 33 like, 6 years younger than me Wink glad your hair is looking good. Can i just point out that you are going out for dinner AGAIN is it that Chez Bruce again? Gawd you will have a personal VIP area in there! secretly-jealous that you have a live in babysitter and life, i want a 17 yo DD Grin hope you are being looked after. All the best tomorrow too -

looks like we are SWI after the footie Hmm we didnt do it last night but i am on CD8 today and have early OV's (think i am oVing now) so i think this week is well timed!

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iloveblue · 28/03/2012 21:16

Hi again ladies

mrsn I'm really hoping that this is not the end - and that this is still your miracle.

pebspop your cot story is so heartbreaking.

jaffa great news about your scan today.

Hi to wrigle, manda, tlm, bonzo and titsalina (love your name btw Smile

I can also relate to the feeling embarrassed about having mc's ridiculousness. Its almost like - how can it be so easy for some people but my body can't manage it (I have to add her that I am very aware of how lucky I am to have two boys already - to be childless and to have a mc/s must be unimaginably painful). I remember feeling like a failure too, particularly after my late loss - and felt guilty that my family and friends were also feeling sad too.
I also agree manda that it is still such a taboo topic when it shouldn't be. Sometimes all I wanted to do was talk about it when others shied away or worse still didn't even mention it.

I've been having a few mild cramps and back pain this evening - which if I was in a normal state of mind would probably pass me by, but I'm not.
So I've decided I'm going to ring my GP in the morning and see if he will refer me to my EPU for a scan. My dating scan is not till the 9th April and I'm not sure I can wait that long without going a bit insane.

Would it be possible to have a quick round up of everyone and where they are up to at the moment - or does it already exist somewhere?

leedy · 28/03/2012 21:51

jaffa, brilliant news!

I kind of know what you mean about embarrassment, like I did and didn't want to talk to people because, yes, the upsetting them, and also I wanted people to feel for me but at the same time not be obviously "feeling sorry for me" or making me feel like I had to do a particular expected performance of grief, esp people who hadn't gone through it. Definitely by far the easiest people to talk to were here and RL friends who'd had miscarriages. And in fairness to other people, I cringe a bit now at how I was with a friend who had a late loss a few years ago (now a mum of two): a kind of awful combination of tiptoeing round the subject and not mentioning it and awkward "god I'm so sorry"s.

wrigle · 28/03/2012 22:13

I've found it really interesting/helpful reading all your thoughts/experiences around embarrassment. It makes me think that perhaps it's kind of right that it isn't happening to just us, we have the miscarriage, they have to manage knowing someone who's had a miscarriage, even if they don't know how to deal with it, and even if the way it efffects them is totally different to how it effects us. And that's part of the hardship I think, for me, it was my awful experience, when my cramping subsided I thought "that's the last of the baby ebbing away", and suddenly I wanted the cramping to continue, and crazy thoughts like that can't really be understood without having experienced them. And they, the mad bits, are also a bit embarrassing, I think because they're kind of primal. I don't know if this it too much, but I tried to look for my baby in amongst the process, and that's maddening, heartbreaking stuff, but I didn't make a conscious choice to do so, I felt driven by something much more primal. And that's not the side of me I take into my day to day life normally, it's not a part of me I've been in touch with before, it's the opposite of a professional or friendly chat over a coffee veneer. Actually, I don't think I'm embarrassed by that so much as I just feel awkward about this part of me I hadn't known before, and about how to accommodate it into my sense of myself.

MandaHugNKiss · 28/03/2012 22:18

No, no, marff not CHez Bruce this time, just a little local place...

Ohmygoodness, how did I miss saying CONGRATULATIONS! to dear marathon - so pleased to hear of the safe arrival of your daughter. Lovely news.

It's a year, tomorrow, since finding out that DS3 had passed... a year on the 1st April since his 'birthday' (talk about worst april fools joke ever). I feel ok, which is weird because his due date seemed to throw me more for a loop.

Anyway, trying to watch One Born Every Minute on +1 but DS2 being a massive bit of a pain and not letting me. Ho hum.

bonzo77 · 28/03/2012 22:23

pebs just get rid of the cot. sell it, give it to a charity shop. If you can be arsed find a worthy cause like a women's refuge. If MIL objects, explain yourelf and offer to give her the money for it. If she does object then it serves her right for jumping the gun. Even with DS I didn't have anything for him until I had a scare at about 30ish weeks and a the consultant warned me she might have to induce me at any moment, so we rushed out and bought stuff. I certainly would not get anything for another baby until much much later, though we do now have hand me downs. I probably wouldn't even get them out the loft till the day I went into hospital.

Yes, I get the embarrassment thing. Embarrassed that you told people something ("we're having a baby") and it turned out not to be correct. Embarrassment at other people's discomfort. Embarrassment at being so upset over the loss of something that, while it might have potentially been a baby, wasn't quite what most people consider a baby (probably more so for earlier losses). I have two friends who have had full term still born babies, both before my mc. They talk about them fairly openly, one has a picture in a frame amongst all the other family photos. It sort of paved the way for me, and I do talk about it when I need to or it seems appropriate. I think we should all talk about it. How often have you mentioned it and it turns out the person you are talking to has been through it as well? And don't you then feel sad that you could perhaps have had some extra RL support or offered it to someone else, in addition to the lovely support we get here?

iloveblue i think there is a stats thread somewhere....

bonzo77 · 28/03/2012 22:25

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