Charter's Anonymous: Volume 3, here's to better luck this time for us all!

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A shiny new thread girls and hopefully we shall all get merrily up-duffed with sticky beans

I think I need to take my body outside and give it a stern talking to!

I got a big glob of EWCM and ov pain yesterday and this morning (pain, not EWCM) and my temps shifted slightly up. FF now says I ov CD14!!
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All my opks have been -ve, though last Sunday I got a faint 2nd line and then agaain on Friday night - officially -ve but confusing!

As my LP is never more than 12 days, that can't be right. The EWCM is the sort I normally see around ov - no mistaking it. I have had a drink Fri and Sat night but no more than normal - just a glass with tea.
Getting quite frustrated......

DG only you can know what is best for you but sometimes having too much information can overload you when you are a bit fragile. Some people would advise you to wait and be armed with what is going on, others would say keep going, especially if it would be 6months for the tests.
Only you know but as you said, you have time on your side as you're still young.
What does your DH think? Perhaps give yourselves a break until the new year and eat drinkl and be merry at xmas? But that's possibly what I would do (but have never had a mc so don't rally know) - go by your instincts.

mrsa cant see your chart, but are you checking your cervix position at all? I always found that when it was really obviously closed, combined with no ewcm and some sort of temp shift that i had definitely ovulated.

I think DH would go with whatever I wanted to do, obviously wouldn't force me to keep trying if I said let's wait. So we probably need to have another chat. All of which is currently beside the point as I did a test this morning and it came up with a very faint positive. So still need to get these hcg hormones out.

I went for another run this morning and thought about wanting to try and catch that post-mc fertility and maybe that combined with aspirin might be the magic formula. The only actual prescribed treatment out there that may benefit me if I have tests to prove it is daily injections of heparin combined with aspirin. Seems so medicalised. I'm still desperately hoping that my body can sustain a pregnancy on it's own. Which makes me think I want to give it one more try but using aspirin. Again this is all assuming I can even get pg again in the next two cycles. We've been ttc for so long now that I don't think we know how to not. How do you ignore the ewcm?

I'd probably feel that way too digi it seems like the next step for you really. I was told about a woman I know through a friend who'd had her DS then had 7 miscarriages and is now 25 weeks with a healthy pregnancy. Apparently she was told she was unable to carry girls and to just hope for another boy. What's she having? A girl. Just goes to show; there are little glimmers of hope out there.

I've just noticed I've got blood streaked cm. Had this the other day and thought it might have been a post sex thing but defo not the case today so am a bit confused

hope everyone else is well x

mouse got this during my last WTF cycle. Might have been ewcm but I didn't ovulate following it. However I did get pink ewcm in my last cycle - and got a bfp. So I guess the moral of the story is to take it as potential fertile sign, but don't be surprised if you get lots of weird spotting this cycle.

Do you know if that woman finally got a diagnosis and treatment after her 7 mc's (how heartbreaking) or whether she just kept trying?

Hello :) have finally surfaced after a lovely weekend .....

So my temps have not gone up so no ov for me this weekend - it was a long shot though. I have thoroughly confused FF - I feel it accusing me that I always OV on cd15 - and am now 17 with no sign.... I am quite up beat, once I get into a pattern I can arrange flights accordingly. I have warned work that there may be a time where I need to drop everything and fly off to germany for a couple of days - I don't think anyone would dare argue with that at the moment!

mrsa have you given yourself a talking to yet? I think our bodies just fling a bit of EWCM at us every so often to confuse the hell out of us.

I hope everyone had a good weekend x

DG never been able to check my cervix - can't seem to master it/arms too short!

I had more EWCM today too, plus more ov pain, so am sure FF has it wrong and I will ov tomorrow or tues i think. That'll be CD22 and 23 though, which is late for me like last cycle.
Have warned DP more is needed! Given we've been SWI since last Saturday, he's feeling fairly knackered and we're starting to only SWI when it's my fertile week(s), which is not good.

I did have another question but can't remember it.
Happy Sunday everyone..

Evening all.

MrsA I check my cervix but it always seems to be the same (if I am thinking its the right thing ) - same place and v slightly open. RE SWI-ing, don't worry about just SWI-ing, look at it as a good excuse!!

digi I am very sorry the book made you feel depressed. I did some work a couple of years ago with the Recurrent Miscarriage Centre and St Mary's Hospital in Paddington which have a very high success rate with RMC. Just in case you are interested! I wish you the best of luck with it all and hope to see your story have a happy ending on here one day!

mousebacon I think blood streaked EWCM could be from egg bursting IIRC. Someone cleverer than me can probably confirm/rubbish that!

batteryhen is your DH in Germany??

My temps are still up so still waiting. DH away now until Thursday so have to wait for him to test. Still, means I won't waste and PG tests if AF arrives before then - I was a bit moody today so AF probably on her way, will see if I feel like bursting into tears in the next few days, that's usually a surefire sign. Right DS regressing to sleep pattern of a newborn so I'm off to bed.

If LadyG is lurking - what a lovely temp rise you have!! &

Oh no - had a rubbish nights sleep and DS woke up at 5.30am and I was so shocked he had slept the whole night that I jumped out of bed and forgot to take my temp.

Will this mess it all up?!?!

morning ladies

terrys fab the ds slept through, don't worry about missing one temp. Shouldn't mess up the graph, you'd have to miss maybe three in a row plus be in a habit of forgetting for FF to have trouble interpreting.

Well, it's breaking my heart to admit this, but I think we're going to take a break from TTC till I've at least had my bloods taken. I spoke to DH last night and he seemed to think the sensible thing was to wait till we find out if they find anything.

I've had to weigh up how I would feel if I got pregnant again before doing the tests and how I would feel if it failed. First of all, I think the anxiety of wondering if I was going to miscarry again would make the whole experience almost debilitating, I don't know how I'd be able to get through the first 12 weeks without worrying if I should be taking some sort of extra medication to help the baby grow.

I think finding out that it's aspirin PLUS heparin that have shown the best rates of success in women diagnosed with clotting disorders made me realise that I can't assume taking aspirin would cover that problem.

It's only two cycles, but I feel sick thinking about missing those two opportunities. I'll then have to decided once I've given the blood, whether to wait till we get the results (another 10 weeks), or go ahead in the hope that we'll get the all clear at the same time as getting pg.

I feel so so today. But I hope that in a few weeks time I'll accept this temporary situation and use the break as an opportunity to concentrate on other areas of my life (like my wonderful DS).

I think I'm still going to chart so that I know when to expect AF, probably not as dedicated as if we were ttc. But will still pop in to cheer you ladies on with your chart obsessing.

Oh sorry you had a rubbish night Terrys. I won't think one missed temp will do any harm, especially as you are post ov I think?

I'm putting my ovaries on the naughty step for an hour later on.
FF is bonkers still - telling me I ov CD14 which I didn't. Fri, Sat and Sunday (CD 19, 20 and 21) I had huge globs of EWCM that, trust me, was mine and nothing to do with semen or preseed. Today I only had preseed left and no EWCM, and today I had some dull ov pain and now feel very slightly crampy, exactly like I normally do at ov as the womb lining starts. So I reckon I have ov today but still no obvious temp rise.

I would appreciate anyone's thoughts here

Poor DP had a wisdom tooth out today (only a small, loose one under local as) - AIBU to ask him to SWI for one more time tonight? I've told him I'll get him a whiskey to numb the pain!

Aw thanks, Terrys. Has stabilised today though. Will see what it does tomorrow. For you missing one temp won't mess with the interpretation esp as you are confidently past ovulation. If you missed one say he day after ovulation then that may be a prob. But FF will just put a dotted line between the two temps either side and you can interpolate the data.

Digi I'm sorry to have to make this decision but it does sound sensible to be honest as I think if you do conceive and have another mc you'll always be wondering what if and feeling bad. How old are you if you don't mind me asking?

MrsA depends on how stoic he is as a rule. You never know, it might make him feel better!

ladyg I'm 32, I was naively hoping to one day have three...but I think if I ever manage to have another then I will put an end to my ttc days. My experience has been so tainted that looking at a BFP just won't hold the same happy excitement as I know it's just another stage in the maybe/maybe not game. Good luck this cycle, looks promising!

mrsa there does seem to be a gradual upwards shift, but it's not particularly clear at the moment, could have been CD19. Good luck with getting dh drunk!

32 same as me, Digi! I'd like three too but i know what you mean - i've only been through it once but it does taint everything. Especially with what poor Spilt went through I don't think I'll ever relax. Hopefully they will get to the bottom of it and if it can be fixed with Aspirin/Heparin then you should be able to go on.

Thanks on chart but reckon you can't tell a lot at this point. I've been overlaying my charts from the pg cycle and the non-pg cycle and comparing and don't think I get clues til later. I do have sore boobs though which prob means will have a short luteal phase like last time

Just popped on to say hello to digi. Sorry you've had to make this decision but I do understand the logic behind it. It will be hard for you to ignore the obvious signs - me thinks!

On the flipside - you are incredibly young (to me!) and so a couple of months wont make a huge difference. I didn't even have my first pregnancy until I was 33. You're just a little chick, sweetie . Big hugs.

battery How funny that everyone at work will know that if you're not in work it's cos you've gone to Germany for a shag!!

ladyGG Hi there my dear.

How's the chilled, just shagging approach working out for ya this month?

terrys-yes my dp is in germany. That is one of the reasons why I chart so I can be organised enough to get one of us on a plane at the right time. It's expensive TTC!
digi I always thought I would have 2 children, but as time ticks on I think I will be lucky to have 1 - but then again I can always hope to have twins I suppose!It is a hard decision to make to not ttc for a few cycles, I have been wondering the same thing too, but I am hoping in my case I have just been unlucky ,so will carry on ttc for now, and pray that my next bean is a sticky one.
hippy - it is wierd that people at work will know that I have gone to germany for a shag but I am beyond caring :)I thnk that some people at work know my cycles better than me!
ladyg quick wave to you - I feel optimistic for you this month :)
split how are you me dear??

I am tired out - I am still going in late to work just now, and felt ok going in today - but sat at my computer and cried :( this morning. I have my own office so it's not too bad, but a few people did notice and have been sweet. I am emotionally knackered. My body is playing silly buggers with me - dp has been gone one day, and today I have some CM which whilst not of the egg white variety is more than I have had since the MC. Oh the shitness of it all:(

Have sent dp back armed with well man capsules with added zinc. He is quite sure that the next time we SWI he will blow my head off with his super ninja sperm

wave to everyone else xxxxx

Evening all!

battery you should check out if Ryanair do some conception deals on flights !! I hope his ninja sperm do the trick next time you are together.

digi I'm pleased you have come to a decision regarding TTC, hopefully it will take some pressure off you in the next few months. I really want 2 or 3 children and having had DS I do assume that it will just happen, so I can't imagine how it feels to be in your situation. As you said, enjoy your DS now and give him extra cuddles!

MrsA I reckon FF won't be accurate until you pass the same OV day as last month, then you will have a bigger picture to work from, atm its just going on data up to now. See if you can get DH to keep SWI-ing and have some fun!

LadyG good luck with temp rises. I have my fingers crossed for you.

Well today I have had heartburn and feel quite sensitive to smells but I know that I am being ultra observant of all changes so I could just be imagining it! FF has given me 40 points so far, I am in severe danger of becoming addicted to "find charts like yours" and "early pregnancy signs estimator"!!!

Ah digi at least you can throw caution to the wind and have a lovely relaxing xmas without worrying about cheese and booze etc. I know it's no consolation, knowing we should have been large and pg at xmas (I cried in debenhams last week because I was looking at party dresses i shouldn't have been able to fit into )I really wish you all the best and hope to see you back here soon xxxxxx

Need to get back on it (so to speak) with DH. Have had a few days off which was not in my plan. Sadly, I think his sperm are more like sleepy kittens than ninjas

hippy it's nice to have you around again

Lgg I can't see your chart but am hoping there's good news just around the corner for you xx

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here]], Mouse but too early to tell much yet.

Thanks for vote of confidence, battery.

I know what you mean re: Christmas. I was meant to be about 23 weeks or something by then . Now I will have to spend it with pregnant SIL who is a month behind where I was . Just hope I get my BFP beforehand. I've got two chances left...

thanks mouse. I do like this thread - although I have not a clue what you're all on about when you talk charts

I ov'd very early this month and so i think all my SWI is done for the month. The lads are in place and I think so is the egg - so nothing to do now but wait.........

Love to all - keep on chartin'. xx

Good luck Hippy. I got pg with DS from a SWI on day 8 or 10 (was not a fanatical charter back then!), despite my shortest ever cycle being 28 days and more typical 31 days back then. Funny as got pg the last time on cd 22 - just shows you never quite know.

Quick question lovely ladies:

Which temp should I use today:

woke at 3am (after 3 hours sleep) OR woke at 7.30am after 2.5 hours sleep but it is nearer to my usual temp taking time of 6.45am. Blame DS who woke up at 5!! Thanks! BTW they are 36.34 and 36.42 respectively

Terrys I would use the second one if it were me. Are you in the follicular or lutueal phase though?

Lady nice dip on your chart this morning

I had same thing this morning, Terrys and used the second. There's not a lot in it though so don't worry.

Thanks Orchid but I always get a dip round now, pregnant or not. Although usually 6dpo rather than 5. I do feel a bit funny but prob all in my head at this stage!

LP orchid - does that change your mind?