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Circumcision- Does anyone know someone in the SE that does it privately???

174 replies

goldfinger13 · 11/12/2008 16:12

Hi All

It's not for a religious or medical reason- hence the request for private practitioner. I've read up on the Pro's and Cons and it's something that my DH feels very strongly about!!! Any recommendations??

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crazyloon1 · 11/12/2008 17:46

x posted

AtheneNoctua · 11/12/2008 17:46

Of course not. The two are not comparable and acceptance of one does not constitute acceptance of the other. Completely separate issues.

Pruners · 11/12/2008 17:48

Message withdrawn

crazyloon1 · 11/12/2008 17:49

Why are they not comparable - educate me, if you have a moment, I do not understand the difference. Except obv one is removing part of a boy's genitals and the other is removing part of a girl's.

meemar · 11/12/2008 17:51

I don't think the arguement that "much of the world circumcise their sons" is relevent. It doesn't make it right because it's common.

And why is it not comparable to female circumcision?

OP - the only right thing to do is leave your son to make the decision himself when he is an adult.

pooka · 11/12/2008 17:51

Of course, I meant "balance" in respect of internet resources (i.e. you posted a link to what is essentially a "pro" site, I posted a link to what is clearly an "anti").

I agree that the posts on this thread have demonstrated an overwhelmingly negative response to the concept of infant circumcision without medical or religious grounds. That does not a witchhunt make.

crazyloon1 · 11/12/2008 17:55

It even crosses my mind that possibly there is an attitude to male sexuality that is rather angyr in its nature. Ie men are often culturally and anecdoatlly seen as predatory and powerful in this sense.

So doing something to male genitals is almost possibly seen as a weird, indirect counter to this in some twisted way...while doing anything to girls' intimate regions is frowned upon almost universally in many, many ways. I cannot imagine anyone wanting to alter female genitals in any way especially in a tiny baby - cannot think of a valid reason excpet to suggest this cultural difference I just mentioned? Just throwing it into the wind as it were. Probably nothing in it...I couldn't do it to any child personally.

AtheneNoctua · 11/12/2008 17:56

One is a bit of skin, and the other is rather more. I'm not really up for a big debate. I don't really have a strong view on circumcision. I understand some people are opposed and I also don't mind if people have it done. It does have some merit on grounds of cleanliness and therefore medical prevention. On the other hand, it is also a valdid point to say that there isn't enough evidence to warrant it a necessary procedure.

The thing is, this woman clearly didn't ask for your views on circumcision. She asked for a clinic recommendation. And the views that she was bombarded with were... well... not very nice.

ok, you feel strongly, but this thread is a bloody witch hunt and you have run off someone who needed some sound parenting advice (even if you disagree with her decision).

I'm not really fussed one way or the other about her sons firthcoming circumcision. But I am bothered about the way she was treated here.

crazyloon1 · 11/12/2008 17:56

I realise it prob sounds odd but the word coming into my head is 'punishing' little boys for simply being male

Like i\ said probably way off the real reason. I'm thinking aloud.

crazyloon1 · 11/12/2008 17:58

Athene I made it clear I was not attacking her but her potential decision.

I disagree totally with the 'just a bit of skin' argument. It's just not feasible/

crazyloon1 · 11/12/2008 18:00

I have seen far worse 'witchhunts' on here about far less sensitive subjects. This was not personal (apart from some comments re her husband)

We were trying to point out how wrong the decision seemed to us
She sounds like a really nice person, making a daft decision.

AtheneNoctua · 11/12/2008 18:00

If you are going to use quotes, please only put between them words I have actually used. You added "just".

crazyloon1 · 11/12/2008 18:00

Sorry I was not being accurate. Not much in it though really...

GreenMonkies · 11/12/2008 18:02

A friend of mine is a LLL leader and staffs a Baby Cafe. Last week a baby boy was brought in by his mother because he was not feeding, every time he was picked up he arched and cried, even when put to the breast. Everything had been fine until he had been circumcised. When his nappy was removed his penis was red raw, the gauze bandage had come off and it was soaked in urine.

He was so traumatised by the pain he was refusing to feed. How is this a good thing to do to a baby?

WillburyNibbleQC · 11/12/2008 18:09

Pruners' post is spot on.

I think it is naive to post on such a contentious topic and not expect people to express their opinions - particularly when the OP claims to be happy either way about whether her son has the procedure or not.

If there have been personal attacks, they should be reported and deleted, but there is nothing wrong with a robust discussion imo.

Pruners · 11/12/2008 18:12

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crazyloon1 · 11/12/2008 18:14

Pruners - i searched her posts and she is regular on the CM boards, seems really nice and gentle person from what I can gather, I think she is genuine. I could be wrong but have a look.

WillburyNibbleQC · 11/12/2008 18:14

Yes it has.

Lauriefairyonthetreeeatscake · 11/12/2008 18:52

If this were a witchhunt then I think (unlike the daft things people get irate about on these boards) that yelling at someone over this issue is justifiable.

We are talking about genital mutilation and child abuse not fruit shoots/greggs sausage rolls/controlled crying. If there is anything to get irate about in this world surely this is it?

The OP has give no reasons so far for her and her dh's decision apart from he wants it done and that they have researched it.

Goldfinger13sDH · 11/12/2008 19:05

Hi All,

I'm the DH that a number of you have made suggestions about. Hi.

Firstly, to Pruners - my wife is a really gentle and nice person. Thank you.

I've created an account this evening to write a single post. You can of course add your replies and comments as you see fit, but I won't be engaging in any further posts after this, without exception.

I know better than to look for a heated exchange with an army of ladies, so rest assured that's not what I'm trying to do here. Nor will I be justifying anything. I only request that you exercise some consideration for the person on the other side of their screen is all.

I realise that many of you feel strongly about circumcision for one reason or another, and I respect that. I really do. What I don't respect are the judgemental, deliberately hurtful comments that some have so freely contributed. It's unnecessary.

Yes, you have the right to freedom of speech, but I genuinely have to ask whether or not you have regard for the impact on others when you exercise that right? Again, you've the right to say whatever you like, that's not in dispute. But, I have to point out that the question was posed for the recommendation of a reputable practitioner, not to open discussions on whether or not it should be done, and it certainly wasn't an invitation to attack character or values.

I'm new here and I'm not sure of the etiquette, but as a long-time forum user it seems fairer to me that this post revert to its intended purpose, with recommendations being made, if there are any. It might also be an idea to start a new thread on whether or not circumcision is right or wrong, if you'd like to continue the discussion. Just my opinion.

In closing, I'd like to reiterate that I'm not after an argument, and wish you all a good evening.

WillburyNibbleQC · 11/12/2008 19:13
Hmm
Goldfinger13sDH · 11/12/2008 19:14

Apologies. My thanks were meant to be to crazyloon1.

Lauriefairyonthetreeeatscake · 11/12/2008 19:14

this is a discussion board.

If you had asked 'what is the best way to kill my wife' noone would have given you a recommendation.

You still have not posted your reasons for wanting to mutilate your baby.

Pruners · 11/12/2008 19:15

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SugarSkyHigh · 11/12/2008 19:17

How odd to feel you have to go and get your husband to type something for you like that?? Like you're a child running to a parent? sorry that's just how it strikes me.

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