Due Nov 08 'Listen baby, I've crocheted you a lovely cardie... now don't make me come in there with that hook!'

[sparkletoes]

Lets see if these overdue babies get a move on!

[Oblomov]

Congratulations *Vbab8

Love title

LOL at ChocO's little one still not having a name. But hang on a sec, ChocO os SOOOOOO organised. How did this happen ?
Any news on that score ?

Right, who is next ?

MonkeyM, Ceebee, come on ladies get your scates on - sorry - I KNOW you would if you could.

Who else ?

[sparkletoes]

Morning all,

LOL at bug baby ChocGal!!

Yes with back2back baby think being open-minded re: pain relief is way forward...! However a few strong contractions may be enough to turn baby (was enough to turn my DS from OA to OP during labour last time after all!). So don't give up yet! Unfortunately my strong contraction inducing RLT has run out!

Congrats to Vbab! Wow what a story! Great news!

My DH is away to collect DS from nursery as they think he has measles . Has appoint at Doc to make sure but would be very unlucky if he has it (has had MMR which is 'supposed' to give 95% immunity after first dose!). He was bright as a button this am too and DH changed him and said he didn't notice any rash but we'll see. Just one thing after another at moment...

Just hope that nothing else is picked up at my scan this afternoon now.

[Tinkerisdead]

whats meptid?

i have a tens machine, a birth pool, hypnotherapy but i profess i use this more for relaxation, i cant quite get in the zone with it, gas and air. I could have had pethedine however my midwife cannot give the antiemetic with it, so ive chosen now to have it as once its in i cant turn back and if it makes me really sick and dehydrated then their is nothing i can do. Everyone i know who had pethedine says it didnt take the pain just made them feel high and im not sure its worth it if im sick too?

[Oblomov]

Duplicate message from PN thread.
Bear with me. I want you all to see this. So that you cvan support me in, letting all thsi go, and ChocO's PMA, from now on :-

Went to Kings yesterday. Dh drove me. Up at 5.30am after not too bad a night. Home at 8pm. ds crying with wind pain, but dh being a star and looking after him for hours, early evening, so I could do the 2 or 3 feeds in the middle of the night, mainly coherently

Prof happy with my blood sugars.
Saw Mr Patel. Max tongue was not clipped enought he first time and he clipped it again.

Prof said that the tongue tied was spotted. But hospital policy,. said didn't want to upset mum, so mum not told. She said she has discussed my case with mr marsh and this will not happen again. Policy to be looked at being changed.

WELL I AM SO FUCKING ANGRY< I COULD >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Actually insulted by Prof. We like eachother, so how could she treat me like i was so stupid. Of course it was not spotted. Or if it was, as a pro bf hospital, with a mum struglling to feed, heal pricks and blood out of vein of babys hand, amking mum sob, due to thick blood and jaundice, due to not feeding properly. THEN it SHOULD HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED PRIOR TO DISCHARGE.

Then my shit care , lack of staff.
The fact I should have been sterilised and was not.
The fact I had to wait 8 hrs for results, because there was only paed dr, instead of 4.

The fact that my MW was dismissive and said that the local midwife saying that the tongue tie was severe "probably it isn't severe, she prob hasn't seen that many"
" yeah well atleast she saw it. More than you did, You incompetent bitch"

then snipped locally. but not enough.

I was sobbing down the phone to my dh and then my mum.

Fuck ME.
Having a hypoo and dropping Max.
Its not like I haven't faced enough.

And I feel this too. I feel like, wehn you guys read my posts, you think, "god, what has that oblomov faced today" " what is she going to moan about today"

And I don't want that.

I could make a complaint against Kings.

But I need to let this go.
My anger. Becasue ds2 is three weeks. I phoned our surgery to make my 6 week check up today - they had no appointments, so need to ring back.

But my mum said. Let this go. Precious times this. I MUST ENJOY Ds2, in these very special weeks.

Infact last night, I said to dh, I am going to get ds, and we are going to spend the whole day, naked in bed together, skin-to-skin.

I MUST< I MUST< I MUST let all the shit go.
ANd enjoy my lovely lvbeoly son.

Please help me to do this,. Next time, I have a moan,. Stop me. and send some of ChocO's PMA

Anyway, alst night same. Dh looked after him and got his wind up, early evening.. I did the 2/3 middle of the night ones. And pumped. He is crying. he has wind. BUT his tongue has already changed shape.

I think we are doing BLODDY WELL in the circumstances.

[Pinkali37]

Choco What a lovely photo. He doesn't look disimilar to Esme... ooh what a lovely pair!

Could someone do a link to the postnatal thread please x

[MonkeyMargot]

Obs. You are right to be angry. Very angry. It sounds like they are wriggling out of making an error of judgement. I recall when my FIL died, for the first time in our lives DH and I realised that even top consultants are full of bullsh*t in their working lives, just like other professions.
But you are also right to let it go. You must enjoy your time with DS and it sounds like your DH is being a superstar.
Plus I never congratulated you on losing all your baby weight in such a record time (hate you!) .
Good for you to let all this out on MN - you are doing so, so well given all you have to contend with.
Sending PMA vibes....

[Oblomov]

We need a competition. Who came the earliest, compared to due date.
And who was the msot overdue, compared to due date.

I KNOW that Hanna, told me, that lots of people go past their due dat, but I am still ASTONISHED, that so many of you have.
And You all have my sincerest sympathy, for wanting babies out, NOW.

Mind you, it is only the 12th. We do have 2 1/2 weeks left of November.

It just seems that so much has happened already, doesn't it ?

[Tinkerisdead]

obs
Firstly, no-one ever ever thinks whats obs gonna moan about today. we are all here to support each other and you have really been up against it.
You say you want to be told to stop moaning and move on but i dont think thats going to help you.
As you know i have an independant midwife, part of that is through my concern over some hopsital practice, she left the NHS due to the pressures faced in hospitals in treating people like they are on a conveyor belt.
Thats how i feel about your story, that you were shunted about, you've experienced real difficulty in feeding due to being palmed off.

There is an age old adage around maternity, especially from our parents generation, that you should never complain about the care you have, if you have a healthy baby at the end.

i dont agree, there are thousands of women going through that hospital and i genuinely think that if you complain, you will feel more empowered and will find it easier to let it rest. I can understand mustering the energy when you've been through so much is hard, but the care you and Max received was substandard, if affected your feeding etc and so I think you should indeed complain. You are not moaning, you are not ungrateful for your baby, you are stating the facts.

[Oblomov]

Thanks Monkey.
Only trying to compete with you, GLAM BITCH
My bf and I have a saying , (remember that we are Russian graduates , and studied 2 Revolutions).

When we see a pretyy woman. And god forbid if she is clever aswell. And god forbid if she has a sense of humour....
then we say " Come the Revolution"

which means "Come the NEXT Revolution, she HAS to die" - we must exterminate, all competition - all attractive ladies.

It is all done in great jest.

Well MONKEYM - you are THAT lady

Come the Revolution, MonkeyM

Can't wait to see you on the PN threads, after being up all night. Lets see how glam you are then.

JOKE< JOKE. You know I love you and am insanely jealous of how fab you look in all your Facebook photos

[misdee]

well i am NOT overdue. my mum, bless her, is phoning every day asking if things are progressing. i said no mum, i will call you if things do start to happen, think i upset her a bit, but i did tell her i di say to someone else 'yeah i had the baby forgot to telll you sorry' lol which made her laugh. she likes to tell me wheere she will be for the day, so i can get hold of her at any time. and then if she goes out in the evening, calls and gives me her friends numbers as well just in case i cant get her on the mobile.

she said to ask midwife for a sweep today, but am not sure i can go through another vaginal examination if there is no point iyswim. just feel like relaxing and seeing what happens.

dd3 has a check up on her mangled hand today, its looking good so far, but think her fingers arent going to be exactly the same as before as there is a lot of scarring on the nail beds and finger tips. think those two fingernails will be a thicker, but its still early days, and they said it could take 6months+ to see results, and its only less than 3months after her op. dh is taking her as its clashes with my midwife appointment.

[Oblomov]

Thank you DrsWife

Misdee, you may not be 'officially' overdue. But we think that little girl of yours should be out by now Sympathy.
LOL at your mum, 'forgot to tell her', letting you know her whereabouts, at every minute of every day. Ha ha. Sorry to laugh.

[sparkletoes]

Obs I was just about to post what DocW just said. NO-ONE EVER thinks oh what has Obs got to moan about today. EVER.

Your experience would be traumatic to anyone and way you have dealt with it all has been amazing.

I would agree that a complaint should be made. My friend who is a midwife said to me she wishes more women WOULD complain as a lot of the time they are being forced into giving sub-standard care (due to cut backs/new policy etc) and as no one formally complains it carries on...

You may be able to make a difference here, so no-one else has to suffer this mismanagement of care. That may be what you need to let go of your anger if you channel it...??

Having said that I really hope you can still enjoy DS 2 at this time, put off your anger or channel it elsewhere so you can do this??

[barbareebaa]

Morning all
Obs Me (and dh) think you're amazing with all you have had to cope with - you have every right to be angry and you absolutely should let off steam on here!!
So there!!
Right off to get ready to be fisted swept by the midwife
p.s thanks for clearing that up for me drswife

[ChocOrange05]

DW do you want the truth???

[barbareebaa]

ooh!
And Huge congratulations to Vbab and welcome baby Alyssa
What an amazing occurance!! Can't wait to hear all about it/ see photos

[misdee]

obs, i wish i had complained at the treatment from the midwife i had when i had dd1, but at the timei left it. it wasNOTHING like what you have gone through, but almost 9years on i still feel very angry about it, and vowed never to return to that hospital to give birth in if i can possible avoid it.

[Dozymare]

misdee I think your mum sounds ace even if she is driving you mad, at least she wants to be involved which is lovely. I don't know how I would have coped without my parents support with the other DC's as obvioulsy DH was with me.

Obs have posted on other thread.......

[misdee]

she is ace. she is coming round next week to wallpaper for me! lol.

[chocolategal]

obs just want to second what everyone else has said, this is the place to unload concerns and get support.

i know from working in a hospital that the ONLY way things change is from complaints! very sad but true.
maybe by putting it all down in writing like you have done so well here then you are getting it off your chest and also letting the hospital know they have let you down.

then you can start really enjoying your new family

[twinkle183]

Obs I know I am not the on the thread much but I never think that about anyone - who is going to moan today! These are tough and emotional times and we are all here to support each other...

I moan all the time whether it be to you guys on here or family but its better to be open and get it off your chest then let it fester.... It also makes you feel better when you let it out...

Am feeling like death - sorry to moan but am looking forward to that full moon on the 14th November just hope the gravational pull, pull junior out...lol

[MonkeyMargot]

LOL Obs at Come the Revolution....I feel most honoured to be on your hit list .
Trust me, if I ever make it over to the post-natal thread, I will be a weeping mess. I am already and I haven't even given birth yet. I have visions of me never leaving house again, wearing only the most unappealing wincyette pyjamas, with leaking breasts and greasy hair.

[Oblomov]

music to my ears monkeym.
thats what the rest of us wear

[SpringySunshine]

Yeah, I'm still being a creepy stalker I hope you're all okay, ladies! It's all getting really exciting for those of you who haven't popped yet - it can't be long at all now!

Obs, I'm posting again because I want to give a slightly different angle of reassurance. All of the other ladies here have come the distance with you & know you. I've only been hovering for a few weeks & have never spoken to you. & yet you really are one of the most inspirational people. In the same way that a couple of the November ladies have suffered particularly badly before their babies have arrived & the way they've coped / been coping with it reassures me that it is possible to keep my head no matter how frustrating & impatient it gets, you've had an awful time since your birth. But you've coped with it all so well. It's not just been one big thing & then it was solved, it's been big things & then setbacks.

Yet you're still holding it together, you & your DH are keeping your family ticking over whilst still managing to bond with your gorgeous baby & take each day at a time until now - when it seems that hopefully things are much more sorted. Whatever you do about complaining now, things should be so much easier now the tonguetie has been finally corrected.

Plus you're still here offering support to the other ladies! & I can only speak for myself, & I'm not even due until April, but reading your posts & the way that you have overcome so much is really empowering for me. I'm expecting my first baby & I'm very young & live a fair distance from my family. None of my friends have done this yet, so I'm easily panicked about whether or not I'll cope. But the fact that you can cope so well with so much total crap... That makes me hopeful that I'll be able to at least survive most things.

That's all a bit epic & bum-licky (sorry, I must seem like such a complete weirdo to keep dropping in & interfering in your lives ), but it seemed really important that you don't feel that you shouldn't be posting about things that are worrying you - not only do you deserve the support, other people are finding it very helpful!

[Oblomov]

Thanks for Lovely messages guys:
Sparkle, Misdee, Chocolategal.
And Barb - you actually discuss me with your dh - I am honoured
And Twinkle - just becasue you don't post alot, that makes no difference. Thanks alot.

And SpringySunshine ? What can I say ? Other than thank you very very much, for your lovely message. And we have missed eachother, haven't we ? How did that happen ?
Did you know that me and ceebee set up, an appreciation group/fund - we are in the process of setting up a dodgey bank account, for all donations
for Daisy = Lacksadaisy - because she is such a star with all her support to all of us.

If you would like to set up an Obs, one , go right ahead

Stalker ? Stalk away . Bring it on. I love it

[Oblomov]

Right, back to business ladies.
Where are we ?
Barb has gone off for her sweep, yes ?
Anyone else nearly there ? booked in for cs's or sweeps, or anything else.

can someone update me, on who is close ? who will be next ?

I think I need a list.
Who is done/properly cooked ?
And who is still in the oven/still got a bun in the oven.

I can't keep track of who is left.

Where is supser stats lady ChocO, when you need her

I need it all written down. I can't cope, if I don't have a list