Due June 08 - Creme egg season is over, summer is now here, so time to tidy the ladygarden before the big day

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I wonder how quickly we'll get through this thread?!?!?!?!

Hi everybody - one very relieved whale here - I am booked in !!!!! And I've got a date. I cannot believe it. And my doctor is English and although very pro-natural birth, agreed that in my circs, with past delivery history, a c-section will be the best course of action. Must say, when I went in and saw loads of new borns and delicate post natal women, I didn't feel excitement, just sheer terror and panic. I am dreading it, Not the section. The birth, whatever it is.

tgf, (and paro) sorry you're feeling so bad about your baby being breech. My 1st was undiagnosed breech, and I was really alll up for and geared up for a fab natural birth with pool etc, then suddenly, after 12 hours of labour, this was snatched from me when they discovered he was breech at 7/8 cm dilated. Then I was whipped in for emergency section. So I also had my plans quite roughly snatched out from under me. So I do understand the disappointment etc. Please don't get too upset about the baby. I had no warning or time to prepare, but I can promise you, there was absolutely no problem with bonding, and no problems whatsoever with bf - he was put straight on my chest and he started feeding straight away and I never had any problem at all, and can honestly say with the subsequent 2 there was no difference with the bf with any of the 3, despite their very different entries into the world.

WHile it's true the baby has a bit more chance of needing help with a c-section, it's not nec the case - my ds had an apgar score of 9 so absolutely no problems. And a planned c-section is safer and easier for mother and baby than an emergency section done during labour.

It is a disappointment but baby might still turn, but at least you have a couple of weeks to get your head around the alternative senario.

Deb, welcome back. Still very at the notion of a holiday.

I met a mumsnetter this pm who lives just down the road, so my 1st real human being practically since I moved here, apart from brief chats with mums at the school. I felt very cheeky asking, but in desperation asked if I did go into labour before section date if I could call on her and she was thankfully really nice about it, so hope my panic subsides a bit. Def no more for me. I've really looked forward to the other 3 births, but this time, dunno why, I feel real serious panic about the whole thing. Maybe it's memories about poor mil, but even just seeing the hospital bed gave me a sence of rising panic. Am dreading the whole thing, and not yet exctited or looking forward to the baby. Still can't quite get my head around the fact that in 3 weeks I'll have another baby.

hello to everyone else, sorry for any I've missed, been rabitting too long as it is, gotta go now xxx

Hi everyone,

Wow! lots to catch up on.

splodge my ds was 81b 1oz and 11 days early, so expect at least the same this time. I had a really good birth experience and ds was a really contented baby, my gran says bigger babies are. So I wouldn't worry about having a big baby, as long as its not 14lb you shouldn't have any trouble!

essie It is totally normal to worry about problems with the baby, people get very emotional on here esp with certain topics, just remember if you post you are opening yourself upto everyones opinion and some people aren't nice. I remember last summer someone was asking about travel advice taking her family to Portugal and someone posted saying how could she think about going to Portugal after madeline mccann. It made me so it wasn't a nasty comment but this poor women could have been planning her holiday for years! I have seen some horrible things on bf, baby names and also work, people can be so full of there own importance. If you want to talk about anything we are all here to listen and everyone on here has different experiences so I think we should be able to cover most things!

greenfairy I am so sorry you might not get the birth you wanted, but ecv still has quite a good success rate. I don't have direct experience of cs but I have plenty of friends who have and they say you still get the same emotions and thrills as a natural birth and you can be much more organised. I will keep my fingers crossed that your lo turns.

makecakes thinking about you, hope everything went well and you have your baby.

No more contractions here, maybe it will be a while. Did you get a sweep G43 ?

greenfairy what makes you think she might not turn? Mine is also in a funny position (not breech though) and my MW said she wouldn't be concerned unless I actually went into labour as there is plenty of time for him to turn. As long as her bum is not engage she can still move can't she? Apparently acupuncture, moxibuxtion and reflexology are good at turning breech baby, but I am sure you knew that already. I hope she will move in time, I am gutted for you if you can't have you HB water birth (I am in a bit similar dilemma with my Group B strep thing!). If you can afford it, perhpas you should look at IMW. I know mine are well used to delivering breech baby. That way you could try for your HB? Also if you have to have a C section, apparenlty it is best to let the baby experience labour a little bit if possible (can't remember why though but I think it is something to do with breathing)

essie i haven't read the other thread but I gather from this one that you are worried your baby would have some sort of disability. I think it is pretty much a fear that most mum have at some point (especially first time round, you tend to worry more). But really it is unlikely, and even if your baby had some sort of disability I bet you you would love it all the same if not more. Don't worry about what other people say after all you are entitled to have your own fears and belief and people should respect that!

debs libra glad you enjoyed your holidays (although Libra you probably weren't expecting it to turn into such an adventure!)

rolf so for you. I bet you I will join the club in the week or so (will still try my own garlic gate anyway).

I went shopping today and found loads of nice top at H&M colourful for once including the breastfeeding top mentioned and they had it in two colours red and pink stripey and black and white. Also bought some golden flip flops, rollon summer

greenfairy what makes you think she might not turn? Mine is also in a funny position (not breech though) and my MW said she wouldn't be concerned unless I actually went into labour as there is plenty of time for him to turn. As long as her bum is not engage she can still move can't she? Apparently acupuncture, moxibuxtion and reflexology are good at turning breech baby, but I am sure you knew that already. I hope she will move in time, I am gutted for you if you can't have you HB water birth (I am in a bit similar dilemma with my Group B strep thing!). If you can afford it, perhpas you should look at IMW. I know mine are well used to delivering breech baby. That way you could try for your HB? Also if you have to have a C section, apparenlty it is best to let the baby experience labour a little bit if possible (can't remember why though but I think it is something to do with breathing)

essie i haven't read the other thread but I gather from this one that you are worried your baby would have some sort of disability. I think it is pretty much a fear that most mum have at some point (especially first time round, you tend to worry more). But really it is unlikely, and even if your baby had some sort of disability I bet you you would love it all the same if not more. Don't worry about what other people say after all you are entitled to have your own fears and belief and people should respect that!

debs libra glad you enjoyed your holidays (although Libra you probably weren't expecting it to turn into such an adventure!)

rolf so for you. I bet you I will join the club in the week or so (will still try my own garlic gate anyway).

I went shopping today and found loads of nice top at H&M colourful for once including the breastfeeding top mentioned and they had it in two colours red and pink stripey and black and white. Also bought some golden flip flops, rollon summer

Ernest so what is the D Date?

Oops sorry I keep having double post. I must be very impatient!

Ernest - so glad you're booked in and an English doctor - now I'm I'm off to the hospital on Tuesday for the 1st time, have managed to miss any info evenings so hoping for a quick tour whilst I'm there.

Well and truly knackered here, just planted up 16 window boxes and 1 planter with the help of the boys. I'll suffer later but our 1st summer guests arrive in a week and the list of things to do is endless.

Needahand - so I'm hunting you down too, for that red top?

I think I'll focus my posts on clothes and shoes in future and save all the major worries for poor old DH!! because I got scared and deleted my profile because of the scary mummies, and I had just put a nice photo of pregnant me on it. I hope one person saw it at least!

Thanks to all here - I'm fed up of permanently worrying about one thing or another (disability, also stillbirth, also me dying in labour), and want to meet my little boy. So that I can really worry about things...!

On turning babies (not that I would know) aren't those big rubber balls, you know, the ones you do sit ups on to get a flat stomach (heheheh I fell off) useful for that? You bounce around on them a bit every day?

Maybe I'll get a flat stomach as a side effect! Let's hope so!

greenfairy - sorry to hear that you've had news that is so disappointing for you.

I dont know much about breech etc, but in my NCT classes the teacher did talk about how delivering breech by c-section was a relatively new thing. However, because it's been the 'standard' for the last decade or so there are now few mw's about that have experience of delivering breech babies vaginally.

I know that someone locally managed to fight for a 'natural' delivery of a breech baby in my hospital recently, but that was because there were a few mw's who were prepared to do it.

Is it maybe worth trying to find a mw who would consider it - an independent mw maybe?

On the other hand, it might be better for your stress levels if you accept the elective c-section option and focus on how to make that work for you.

Either way, I hope you're feeling better soon .

p.s. Just read Ernest's post (great news about the English doctor) and have put something on my birth plan - I need a Welsh midwife. (As in Welsh-speaking - I'm not racist!)

Quite stressed out now so going to prepare for DH's arrival and the promised takeaway!

essie i was wondering why I couldn't see you profile anymore, I could have sworne I was able too this morning. I haven't finish reading that other thread (not sure I want too if it makes you so upset, must be bad). Honestly don't worry about what other people say, you are entitled to your own fear however irrational they may seem. Personally I have worried I won't be able to love DS as much as I love DD. I know it is rubbish but I bet you a lot of second/third time mother have the same anxiety. I would say it has very much the same root as your fear, only yours incense people because it deals with disability. You shouldn't beat yourself up for being honest. Some people are really righteous on here and funny enough the same people are very intolerant.

Yes you can hunt me down for the top. I was very surprised to find it, especially as it is so hard to find nice maternity stuff here. They had loads. I should have asked you your size and bought one for you. Perhaps you could call the shop and ask them to send you one? They also had a cute brown and white stripey top with matching baby vest (didn't have my size in that one though). Or alternatively next time come shopping with me much more fun (although I don't know where you live because you deleted your profile)

Re worrying, I am afraid it won't stop though. Once they are born your worry about SID and then all sort of things, I guess that is what it is like being a mum.

D Day is Monday 9th June - go in on the Sunday. Deb, I went to an info Abend, but it was huge and they were just talking about births etc, not doing a tour, so I just popped to the ward floor and asked if they would let me peep into the rooms,a nmd another hospital the infoAbend was ages away and I didn't have time to wait, so I just phoned and asked them if I could pop in and see the delivery rooms and wards and both let me no problems at all, so just ask.

We'll have to tell each other to put our feet up and stop doing so much

HI everyone

Essie. I also had a look at the other thread and think you were being totally reasonable. all you did was express a fear (that pretty much everyone has IMO). You were just brave enough to express it.

Green fairy, I'm so sorry, and I really hope that your baby is able to turn as I know you wanted that HB. I haven't heard anything negative from RL people about C-sections and BF. One friend fed for three years after a C section!

And re Apgar scores, DS was born with an Apgar score of 3, (which was terrifying!) and which is why I will probably have an elective C section if the baby doesn't come on time naturally.

Ernest, delighted for you that you have a hospital and that you have an English doctor! How lucky is that?! Also v pleased for you re MN person down the road. How are you guys settling in otherwise?

Neenz, so glad you are doing well. I wasn't the cheeky person who asked if you'd got back at it yet! I don't know who it was either!

Libra, sorry that you had such a shocker for your holiday. Very glad that you and DS are safely back.

Debs, glad you are back after your holiday.

Sorry. I mean that DS was born vaginally with an Apgar of 3, not through a C section. Hence thinking of C section this time instead of induction.

And should we come up with a new thread title? Something along the lines of ..

Due in June - Creme eggs are long gone and our own eggs have started to hatch. Who will be next?

Essie, it was your thread I was referring to actually, cos I was the first one to post on there just telling you I understood exactly how you felt and your fears were entirely understandable and shared by many people, and then next time I went on there it was just a torrent of unpleasant responses and people saying that anyone who thought this way was basically unfit to be a mum! WTF! Someone even compared not wanting to have a child with disabilities to not wanting a black child!!!! Interesting comparison .

Anyway, sorry you felt bad about starting the thread but there do seem to be some women on MN who rant and post without thinking about how much they could upset others. Stay here with the friendly crew in future.

greenfairy, so sorry to hear about your possible CS - hope baby turns. I thought success rates were about 70% but could be wrong.

ernest, congrats on finally getting a date sorted.

We really do have to think of a new thread title soon folks.

Ernest glad you got your date, essie hope you feeling a bit better about your fears and greenfairy hope you're doing ok.

I might crack on with packing my hospital bag this weekend and I might even start putting my birth plan to paper !

Sorry my brain switched direction mid post which is why I sound like I'm being really bossy and impatient telling you all we need a title.

My suggestion....

Due in June 08: what would last longer: labour, a creme egg or this thread?

Ernest - stop doing so much!

Essie - I'm so sorry that some intolerant people have got hold of your thread and blown it all out of proportion. You don't have to justify how you feel and I think that everyone has those same fears. I do, it's natural, you want a healthy baby .You are certainly not a bad person for worrying, and as for thinking about the consequences of having a baby - we've all been there.

At the moment I worry about the baby being OK as I didn't have any extra tests and I'm 39, I also worry about what it will be like starting again with such a big age gap, 6 years and 8 years, and how hard it might be, being self employed with no maternity leave as such.

Those are today's worries - ask me again tomorrow!!

I like Udc's title suggestion - Due in June - Creme eggs are long gone and our own eggs have started to hatch. Who will be next?

Ooh, I like UDC's too - I missed it when skimming this afternoon's posts.

Greenfairy - I completely understand your reaction to a possible section. I am so sorry. Have you tried spending time (30mins at a time) on all fours with your head on the floor? That is supposed to be a good way to turn a breech. I did it for a bit when Esther was breech, don't know whether that was what made her turn tho of course.

FWIW my friend had id twins by section, at 35+6, they were in special care for 12 days and she STILL managed to BF excluisively. Also, the post-op experience will be tough but it will only be a for a relatively short period of time.

I would def go for the acupressure/reflexology etc. Also I believe that just thinking positively about it ('she will turn') can help. I hope s/he turns for you!

Ernest So glad you are happy to be booked in - June 9 is only three weeks! Woo! Thanks for the info on your own experiences - it all does really help.

And to all who've sent supportive words today - many many thanks for being so lovely. I am feeling a little better, although still quite low.

ECV at my hospital has a 30% success rate for first babies - not brilliant.
Odds are a bit stacked against me as well as
(1)LO's bum is already engaged
(2)Because I have a bicornuate uterus (heart shaped) there is more room at the top than the bottom and less room to turn her, which is probably why she was breech in the first place.

Have now booked in with an acupuncturist who specialises in fertility/ baby stuff for Monday afternoon to try moxibustion to shift LO and she was v positive about chances of her turning but due to above I'm try not to get my hopes up. I also have a birth ball and will be using it more from now on and doing inversion - that's about all I can do.

Although I know telling which way up a baby is by touch is not foolproof I am a bit annoyed it wasn't spotted earlier as about two months ago I thought she'd turned breech when I had a very uncomfortable night, but my MW said she hadn't. She was head down at 20 week scan and that point (about 28 wks) is the only time she really seemed to shift position dramatically. But I guess they try their best...

Having said all this, I did inversion for 25 minutes this evening and she's really wriggling while I type this - the most in an age, so feel a little more hopeful.

Unfortunately I can't afford an IMW, but if she stays breech am going to insist on a semi-elective CS, where you wait til you're in labour before the op, because it is better for the baby - the contractions trigger the baby to release a hormone to prepare lungs for breathing, and this doesn't happen if you don't wait for labour to start first.

Can't believe we're going to need another thread by tomorrow!

Evening all,

I saw the midwife this morning and mentioned that my bump had had a huge growth spurt and that I was getting really bad heartburn so assumed that baby was not as engaged as it was. Head only 2/5 engaged rather than the 3/5 of last week. Measuring 4 weeks big for dates! The midiwfe called to when I got back home to say she had arranged a scan for the afternoon. Baby is indeed big, already 4.1kgs 9lbs !!!!!!! I also have Polyhydramnios (never google a medical condition!). I am to be admitted on sunday and will have a GTT on monday and then they will look into inducing me if I do have diabetes. Along with Rolf and Thegreenfairy I'm feeling pretty miserable.

Oh G43, I'm sorry. What is a GTT? What is your due date?

Can you feel excited about meeting your new LO early or are you worrying about complications and so on.

xx

Worried about things going wrong!! Desperate to meet baby!!

GTT is a glucose tolerance test to check for diabetes. My main concern is Polyhydramnios can cause cord prolapse, so I'm really paranoid about my waters breaking at home and feel like setting up a tent outside the hospital!