Due June 08 - Creme egg season is over, summer is now here, so time to tidy the ladygarden before the big day

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I wonder how quickly we'll get through this thread?!?!?!?!

Essie, I'm sure you probably wish you'd never started that other thread now, but just wanted to say 'eeeek' on your behalf! Bloody hell, how dare you post about something you're worried about eh? FWIW, I think some folks have forgotten what it's like first time round - I find something new to worry about every day. Sending you a big hug!!

Oh, and by 'some folks' I don't mean the rest of the June ladies who have got DCs already!!!! Just the Millie Tants...

Neenz - I think there's a good cranial osteopath near me, if you want the details (and I get to meet the babies too )

Afternoon all

Neenz - sorry to hear of Theo's crying. I second the CO recommendation - has worked wonders for several DCs of my friends. Thanks for the birth plan, but see below for why I probably am going to be starting from scratch

Essie - sorry to hear you're feeling got at. Tbh I steer clear of posting on most threads for that very reason. And the subject you were raising is very emotive. Stay here where we're all lovely.

UDC - your friend's DH is the limit! Glad he's calmed down again now, but he needs to rein it in. Hope your friend is still feeling assertive and standing up for herself - poor lady.

Looney - good luck with the MW - let me know how it goes!

As for me, today, I am

Went to the hosp this morning as LO has been quiet and moving less for a couple of days and I wanted to get it checked out.
She is happily, fine and dandy - heartbeat, breathing and moving all good. Plenty of amniotic fluid.

BUT, SHE IS ALSO BREECH

And at 36+2 she is very unlikely to turn, esp as she has been the same way up for months as far as I can tell...

So, am going in for horrible ECV next Friday and will try to get some acupuncture/ moxibustion in the meantime, and do the whole inversion thing.

But with my bicornuate uterus she is pretty steadily wedged and I don't feel v hopeful.

So in all likelihood, goodbye natural hypno home water birth, hello elective C section and three days in bloody horrid hospital. I am UTTERLY GUTTED and have spent have the day crying.

Hi All,

Nothing to report here after a day off work, pottering around the house. 37 weeks today and only one more week of work. No BH or pains at all, so I don't think Bug will be making an early appearance although I can't imagine him/her getting any bigger - is it possible for your stomach to just stop growing? I can't see how it can get any bigger - plus - even my maternity clothes are getting too tight!

to all who are suffering with various aches/pains/ailments.

Hi All,

Not posted for ages as I started a new job last week - I know, crazy time to change jobs but hey ho it had to be done.

Can't believe we are starting to pop the babies out (if only it were that easy ) it seems like no time since we were all feeling dog tired and sick and waiting for our 12 week scans. Haven't we all done well!

Anyway, sending out best wishes to everyone hope the niggles aren't too bad and lets face it we're on the home straight now so won't have to suffer too much longer.

Take care everyone, will post again when I have a moment in between working, frantically nesting and trying to make the most of my time with ds.

TGF - you poor thing. Fingers crossed for you - you never know, she might just shift in time. If not - do you have to have the CS, or can you try for VB - even if it is in hospital? Sorry if your uterus means you can't - don't know much about the condition - but breech doesn't always mean CS does it? Sorry you are so upset.

Sorry to here that greenfairy, I had a c section with DD. If you want any info then please ask.

Libralady - what a nightmare of a holiday, glad you're back safely now though and much better for your ds to have the chicken pox now than when baby arrives

Greenfairy - so sorry to hear about your breech baby, can imagine why you're upset.

Neenz - I'd try the CO too

TGF - poor you, sorry you are feeling so down. If you definately have to have an ECS I guess the way to look at it is as the means to an end and a happy healthy baby afterwards with all sorts of nice natural mum and baby things to do in the future? fingers crossed that she magically turns when you least expect it though, after all your efforts to have your ideal birth

try not to cry, chin up and think about the positive things from your scan, baby is happy healthy and clearly just a contrary little madam, who fancies a quick exit!

Essie I find that if pepople get militant on threads closing them down and not opening them again is the best thing. as someone else said, they wouldn't say it in RL, and it's entirely understandable to worry. Not quite sure why people feel the need to be so antagonistic some times! There's a thread in the Baby names thing about the family in america with 17 children and an 18th on the way whose names all begin with J. I watched the documentaries about them and thought they seemed remarkably well adjusted despite the J thing, and said so, and the amount of nasty comments that came after was a shock! I decided just to move on!

Essie just wanted to send you some hugs. Don't worry about the responses on the other post. If it makes you feel any better, my irrational disability fear is this: my LO has never kicked in respone to loud noises -"OMG", I think to myself "is it doing to be deaf"? I'm not obsessing about this, but it is just a (hopefully) daft thought that has floated into my pg brain.

TGF sorry to hear about the baby being breech. Can understand why you are upset about it. One of the ladies in my AN group is in the same situation and is going to attempt to get it turned in the next few days.

Thanks guys.

I am not anti CS. I know it is the right choice for some people and I've got a couple of pals whose babies were saved by emergency CS.

But I was feeling so positive and getting so excited about having a home birth and I just can't believe the U-turn. 24 hours ago I was sitting with my MW discussing where to put the birthing pool and now I'm just totally devastated and trying (and struggling) to find out information about how to reduce the effects of CS on the baby (eg respiratory distress, bonding, BF probs and the rest).

My DH is the most squeamish, panicked person I know when it comes to anything medical and I know he won't be able to cope with being in theatre (we have already discussed this several times) so now I have to work out who to have with me, and there isn't really anyone else who comes close to being so wonderful. My DM is lovely, but hardly tactile and I need to feel mothered. DF is as squeamish as DH. And my various friends aren't right for various reasons.

DH is feeling positive about the chances of turning and I know I should try to be but she is so fixed - she's barely moved for an age, and she is already starting to engage, so I just can't believe she'll turn. I'll be 37+2 by the time I have my ECV next Friday and I can't see how it will work.

My hosp don't do vaginal breech delivery - it's elective CS or nothign. And tbh, the stats on vaginal breech delivery are not great nationally.

Urgh. I just feel so utterly rubbish.

I had no problem bonding with DD, my hospital policy was skin to skin while they stitch you up and was lovely. I don't know about BF as I can't do it. And breathing wise DD was fine, we did have a couple of hours of projectile vomiting about 24 hours post section but was told by lovely MW was normal due to getting rid of fluid on lungs. Also she had a 9/10 score (which they do after birth), the whole experience was calm, was intoduced to everyone and the Anethetist and one of the MW's kept us informed every step of the way. You can also make stipulations i.e. you partner can tell you sex of baby, etc.

Oh TGF, I'm so sorry about your baby being breach and that you're so upset. I can quite understand your disappointment.

There are a few threads with advice on birthplans for elective c-sections and whenever I've looked at them I can start to see how it can be a positive experience. But I bet in your situation I'd feel just the way you do

Nowhere near such a big deal, but my GBS test was positive . At least I know that I did the swabs properly so my knowledge of my own anatomy isn't as bad as I'd thought.

Thanks sophie
I'm glad to hear you had no problems bonding with DD.
Re the vomiting, my understanding is that the passage through the birth canal helps to squeeze fluid out of the lungs - with CS babies this doesn't happen and so can cause breathing/ lung problems.
But it sounds like you overcame that quickly!
My pal who had a CS had no probs breast feeding at all - it's just that an elective CS means certain hormones which are released in 'normal' labour don't get released, which makes the BF instinct in the baby weaker.

But must try to stay positive. Am sure those of you who have had CS probably think am making a fuss about nothing, so I'm sorry if I've annoyed anyone.

Forgot to say, debs glad you enjoyed your holiday!

Rolf - sorry to hear about your GBS result. And thanks for the advice.
Have decided am going to spend the next week concentrating on turning the baby, and then we will see...

TGF - sending you turning vibes.

Rolf - did you EVER find that garlic?

Hello all
Been having really lazy day watching rubbish daytime tv

Just glanced through posts

TGF- dont know if you read but my LO is also breech i know how you feel. I felt gutted too that wouldnt maybe go through the whole in labour process etc

However (dont know with your uterus thingy) she could still turn if she has lots of fluid
Im trying to do stuff to turn her too, like ice packs on head, music at bottom of bump, exercises etc. We decided not to do ecv mainly cause already had bit of time in hospital and high BP is a bit of an issue.

On tues we see dr and see what she says, all i know is that here they wont let DP any where near me during op but dont know yet what their thoughts are regarding vaginal breech births.

Will send you turning vibes as well as me xxx

Thanks Paro

Did you look at the spinning babies web link I sent you yesterday? Have ended up on it all afternoon myself thanks to this morning's news!

About to go and get upside down, and am booked in with acupuncturist for moxibustion next week.

Send you turning vibes right back!
xx

Not annoyed anyone, it is difficult to get your head around somethign when for the past 8 months you have said that you wanted to have a HB. Also this is what my hospital pamphlet says about BF, does not affect your ability to feed your baby but it does make the first few days more difficult. The main difficulty will be finding a comfotabel position so will need to experiment, it also says that they provide a cot that clips onto the side of your bed but don't know if that is available. What you do need to do is just get any questions you want to ask written down so that when you go in you will remember.

Turning vibes to TGF and Paro!

Deb - glad you enjoyed your holiday. Welcome back.

Whinegums no I bloody didn't . I assume it fell out into the loo.

have you both seen this website:
spinningbabies.com/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1

sorry, beat me to it

yep i too have spent alot of time on that website and others.
Acupunture (for breech) and moxibustion is not available on this island so thats out the window
But as i said earlier DP and I have always said that as long as she is well and happy she will come into our lives sometime and somehow
the birth plan link i posted yesterday has some good ideas for c section i wasnt going to have birth plan but at weekend DP and i are going to jot down questions and a plan ideas etc just in case

LauraT you're right. I've posted for the last time there and I'm not going to read it again - there's a (small) baying mob there! Bad, bad move to admit to anything. (Needahand it's the one on Pregnancy, where I admit to being worried about my baby being born with a serious disability.)

I'll stay in the safe June thread - btw, people, I'm not prejudiced, I don't hate the disabled, I am terrified of being a mother and failing miserably at it... Oh, and I didn't think carefully enough about the consequences of getting pregnant either! I'm a bad bad person.

Might keep my head down for a while now - thanks for all the support though!

Essie - your post on the other thread was perfectly reasonable and IMO your fears are entirely normal. I think everyone has those fears, the difference is in the extent to which they dominate the pregnancy, and how open the mother is about them!

There was a chance DD would be disabled (we found out when pregnant that she has a brain abnormality) and I spent the rest of the pregnancy utterly terrified about what would happen and that I was the "wrong" person for it to happen to as there was no way I could cope. She is fine, btw.