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Eris' thread for bereaved mummies

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feedmenow · 16/04/2008 16:28

OK, so the thread begins! I tried to think og something better to call it, but all I have in my head (still) is Shabsters comment about how it would have been better if we'd all met on a thread called 'how to cope with excessive wind'!

Anyway, we have somewhere to come now. Somewhere 'proper' where we can chat and remember our precious lost children, whether they were stillborn like my angel, or whether they were with us for 2 hours, 2 weeks, 2 months, 2 years or 20 years. No matter how long they were here it is still so very wrong to lose a child.

I just wanted to tell you all about yesterday. It was such a very strange day. Dp and I were collected by the FD in the limo that Eris was in and we drove slowly down our road behind one of the FD men. I felt like a fraudster, like I was going to be caught out and asked what the hell we were doing 'playing' around.

Anyway, it turns out that the crem we went to is absolutely beautiful, really gogeous gardens. The service was lovely. The songs and music we chose were perfect, and both my mum and mil got up and said some really touching, beautiful words. The minister read a story I had chosen and also an extract from Winnie the Pooh that he suggested. I sat with my dd1 on one side and my ds the other, then dp next to him. We all had our arms around each other and I cried silently throughout. Then at the end the minister asked everyone else to leave so the 4 of us could say our final goodbyes, at which point I started weeping with a vengeance. It wasn't til we went outside to join everyone else that I saw all the people who had come to be with us.

We went back to my parents house for brunch, which went really well. I come from a family who crack open the wine and beer at the earliest opportunity, so the wine flowed along with the tea and coffee for the drivers. It was a beautiful day, the sun shining, so we went into the garden. The children and the men played football, the ladies chatted and did a bit of skipping (who would have ever known that I could still 'jump in'???. I had got some helium balloons printed with the words "Too beautiful for earth..." so everyone released one and 'raised a toast' to Eris. People gradually drifted off home, but a group of people stayed with us all afternoon and into the evening. We had takeaway and eventually got home about 10pm. It was a very special day. I talked about Eris lots and, very importantly, people had fun. A very important thing to do, IMO, when celebrating a life instead of mourning a death. As people left I asked them all to be sure to remember my little baby girl, to think of her often and not let her be forgotten.

Dp and I set up a fundraising page to raise money for SaNDS for people to make donations instead of brining flowers. When I checked earlier today, we have had donations of £1360! It makes me sad that we're in the position to have received those donations, but we smile when we realise how much people care.

Anyway, dp went to the FD this afternoon and picked up Eris' ashes, so we at least have now brought our daughter home. It raised a few laughs yesterday when we were asked what we planned to do with the ashes and I said we would bring her home and put her in the wardrobe with nanny (whose ashes have been in my wardrobe for 2 years now!). Some might find this odd, but others thought it touching and comforting that they would be in the wardrobe together.

Anyway, I have wittered on more than I intended. I am pleased to say that I do actually feel a sense of peace now that the funeral is over. Both dp and I had been scared of yesterday as we were both aware that a funeral brings about a finality and reality to what has happened. And somehow, facing that finality has helped me achieve a degree of acceptance.

So, in memory of my precious baby daughter, Eris, I would like to pronounce this thread for bereaved mummies "OPEN"!!

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frasersmummy · 15/05/2008 21:21

Lottie. glad you got that sorted.. must be a weight lifted. Its simple and heartfelt and its lovely that you included wilf

fmn how are you holding up after yesterday.. I hope you are not being hard on yourself.

LouiseAnn · 15/05/2008 22:28

FMN - not sure what to say, except to send love and hugs

Beakas - welcome

shabster · 16/05/2008 05:55

Morning girls - hope you are all ok.

lottiejenkins · 16/05/2008 08:26

Morning Shabs, morning everyone, am off to Kent to pick Wilf up this afternoon so wont be online tonight, hope everyone has a good day. xxxx

Doobydoo · 16/05/2008 09:26

Morning All
Hope our day goes well.

feedmenow · 16/05/2008 11:24

I swear you lot hide from me! Whenever I am online nobody else seems to be around. Then next time I log in you've all been really chatty! Is it my B.O????? Can you smell it from cyberspace?????

Frasersmummy, I can well imagine that they'll be times for the rest of our lives that it will hit us hard. I know what you mean about telling people where to stuff their PC's! To me, every time anyone says anything about having had a bad day cos they overslept or they had an arguement with their boyfriend, or that they're nervous about an interview or anything, in my head I'm just saying to them "try losing your child. THEN you'll know what a bad day is"! But I don't say it out loud most of the time cos they can't possibly understand unless it has happened to them. I have to say, I don't think I'll ever over-worry about such trivial matters ever again! Who gives a shit if Tesco delivers the wrong feckin stuff FGS

Beakas, so sorry for your loss sweetheart. Did you name your little boy? When was he born? Sod the "pull yourself together" cr*p! Wallow in self-pity for as long as you need to is what I say! I think that having a child is, for women, similar to a wedding day. You know how little girls start planning their weddings at a very early age? Well, we also plan our children early on too, don't we? (I named my first born daughter when I was 14! A horrific name, and one that I no longer liked when I actually HAD a daughter, thank god!) And the second we know we are pregnant, we see it all pan out ahead of us. We see the pregnancy, the birth, the early days. We imagine every "first" possible, teenage tantrums, going to Uni, settling down, having children of their own. So the way I see it is that from the moment we know we're pregnant we already have a child. Other people may consider that you've "only" had a miscarriage perhaps, but the reality is that you've lost a much wanted, much loved little boy. And there is no way you could possibly be ready to pull yourself together after only a couple of weeks. So don't push yourself. Go with the flow, feel whatever it is you're feeling and take time to grieve. xx

Dooby, just wanted to second what Shabs said about thinking you're saying the wrong thing. You most definately ARE NOT! I know on some threads we have to be really careful cos people jump down your throat just because they have misinterpreted what they think you are trying to say. But I like to think that here we are all friends and if anyone comes across as tactless or offensive we know that that is NOT what they mean. I think we all know it can be hard to find the right words at times, especially when we are typing and can't use intonation, facial expression and (in my case) lots of gesticulating to help explain what we are saying. So don't fret! I've not heard you say anything at all wrong!

Lottie, glad you have ordered the plaque. It sounds lovely. It says it all, doesn't it? How long will it take do you think?

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ILikeToMoveItMoveIt · 16/05/2008 11:51

I'm here FMN, you're b.o. doesn't keep me away . I think from the tone of your post you're feeling a wee bit better today - big hugs to you xx

Lottie - I bet you're very excited to see Wilf again (I love that name btw). The wording on your plaque sounds just right to me.

Beakas - so sorry you have to join us here. I hope you find some comfort, company and at times a light heart.

I hope everyone has a good day xx

shabster · 16/05/2008 12:29

FMN - you dont pong honey!!

We have got a lovely, lovely 'gang' on Eris' thread haven't we? I love all the different circumstances and experiences and 'time elapsed since'. I love hearing all our loved babies and childrens names. I know what you mean about picking names - they are so important.

My adored DS1 and his amazing partner are due 'our' baby on the 10th June. However, Emma, is really 'nesting!' She has just started maternity leave and is cleaning everything in the house. Lewis' room is ready, the cot is made, the walls are painted, the mobile is positioned......yesterday she re-arranged all her cd's in alphabetical order Oh baby Lewis your Grandma cant wait to meet you.

I imagine him sat somewhere (Heaven??) with Matt and Gareth whilst they warn him that I am mad! I hope my idea is right and they send him to us with their kisses on his cheeks. Oh poo - now I've made myself cry

shabster · 16/05/2008 12:31
lottiejenkins · 16/05/2008 13:33

Hearing you talk about heaven reminded me of this song....
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivMENEBlI2A

shabster · 16/05/2008 13:44

WOW Lottie - Ive never heard that before - it is a beautiful song.

Thank you xxxx

lottiejenkins · 16/05/2008 13:48

Am glad you like it... it isnt played very often... you tend to hear Tears in heaven more which always makes me howl too....

shabster · 16/05/2008 14:08

that song really, really makes me howl as well Lottie! If I remember rightly I dont think there was a massive time gap between my Matts accident and Eric Clapton loosing his son. I know it blew my mind apart when I first heard it.

Its usually music that gets me....xxx

feedmenow · 16/05/2008 16:17

Shabs, thats less than 4 weeks! Wow! Tell Emma not to overdo it! She should be resting, keeping her strength, making sure she has plenty of energy for that bouncing baby boy she's growing!!

I've just had a phone call from the bereavement midwife asking what the PM results were and how we're all doing. She also said that 2 of the midwives who cared for me were asking after us today, which I think is so lovely. I asked her to tell them both that I think of them often cos they were both so lovely. Infact, I've been intending to write a letter to the CEO at the hospital about them and I think I'll do it today!

Lottie, what a beautiful song.....

I'm sure you'll all be pleased to know that I've just had a bath and applied plenty of deoderant! (You may have all said I don't smell bad, but I thought better to be safe than sorry )

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Doobydoo · 16/05/2008 17:50

Thanks FMN
Can't listen to songs like that...like upbeat
Am so pleased that people are thinking of you FMN.When something like this happens I think it does have a ripple effect.
I am off to cook tea now.
Have a good evening all

Doobydoo · 16/05/2008 19:37

Shabster...2 Things.I have just looked at your profile page.Such beautiful boys.Gareth looks so cheeky.Matthew looks shy and lovely.There are some things I want to post,to get boff my chest.But not sure if here is the right place to do it really as I don't want to upset people.What do you think?Should I seek out a professional or not?
I think I would find that hard for many reasons and feel that I could 'talk' to you. as in email I am sorry if this pressure upon you and would understand if not possible.

frasersmummy · 16/05/2008 19:46

doobydoo I am not sure if you were only talking to shabster in your last post but in case you werent...

you wont upset me by getting stuff off your chest...

this thread is about supporting each other so feel free to say whats in your head and/or in your heart

Doobydoo · 16/05/2008 19:51

Thanks frasersmummy.It has been along time,and am so worried that I will be perceived as being sensationalist,that I have bottled it up as people are shocked.Maybe I don't need to worry about that here but I don't want to get people thinking in an awful way[ifykwim]

trulymadlydeeply · 16/05/2008 20:18

I don't feel qualified in any way to post on this thread - you all live my nightmares, and I'm worried I sound patronising, but I love this thread, and all of you on it.

You are so brave and so positive, and I just admire you for your spirit and your acceptance.

Lots of love to you and all your children ... I have no doubt you'll see them again.
xxx

frasersmummy · 16/05/2008 21:03

now you have me intrigued dooby doo..

Doobydoo · 16/05/2008 22:58

Ah Frasersmummy.I will just come out with it...don't want to be all enigmatic
To cut a long story short,when they carried out pm...nearly 18 years ago I specifically asked that nothing be removed and that everything be left as it should be and was assured it would be.When a year later I got a copy of pm results from my doctor...it said that her brain had been retained in formaldehyde for further investigationI have discovered over the years that some parts on on slides for student doctors and such like and that other organs may have been removed.I have not pursued it further as have 2 ds's with my fab partner who was not the father of dd.He is fab but don't want to rake up stuff and it prob wouldn't be beneficial.So there you go.I have said it!

shabster · 17/05/2008 00:36

Hiya ladies...Dooby or anyone who needs it..if you want to talk my email address is [email protected]

I think I am the 'token nutcase' on here!! I dont care! Seriously my new friends if anybody needs to contact me I have left my e mail address above.

Disgraceful behaviour..that much I know. Will be tip toeing through the forget me nots in the morning

Kale Mera, see you in the morning xx

shabster · 17/05/2008 00:38

Oh Dooby...just read through the last few posts....will come back on Eris' thread in the morning and we will sort out some kind of communication. Everything you are saying is ringing bells with me....Alder Hey hospital etc etc.

Night night honey. Speak in the morning

triplets · 17/05/2008 00:52

Doobydoo..............I have just read your post, I know what you have been through, I am a very dear friend of Shabster, please mail me, [email protected]

we went through the same thing 14 yrs ago. xx

Doobydoo · 17/05/2008 08:30

Good Morning.
Thankyou so much for your post Triplets and ShabsterI was so worried about posting for 2 reasons..this is a positivre thread and also I didn't want people to think that it may have happened to themI do believe that this 'practice'stopped some years ago[10 or more years I think]
I felt lighter having posted and then worried that I may have needlessly worried others.
I am so sorry for you Triplets and Shabster
It is strangely comforting to know I am not alone.None of us are are we?
Thankyou so much ladies
I have a lovely image of Shabster tip toeing through the forget me nots

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