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Eris' thread for bereaved mummies

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feedmenow · 16/04/2008 16:28

OK, so the thread begins! I tried to think og something better to call it, but all I have in my head (still) is Shabsters comment about how it would have been better if we'd all met on a thread called 'how to cope with excessive wind'!

Anyway, we have somewhere to come now. Somewhere 'proper' where we can chat and remember our precious lost children, whether they were stillborn like my angel, or whether they were with us for 2 hours, 2 weeks, 2 months, 2 years or 20 years. No matter how long they were here it is still so very wrong to lose a child.

I just wanted to tell you all about yesterday. It was such a very strange day. Dp and I were collected by the FD in the limo that Eris was in and we drove slowly down our road behind one of the FD men. I felt like a fraudster, like I was going to be caught out and asked what the hell we were doing 'playing' around.

Anyway, it turns out that the crem we went to is absolutely beautiful, really gogeous gardens. The service was lovely. The songs and music we chose were perfect, and both my mum and mil got up and said some really touching, beautiful words. The minister read a story I had chosen and also an extract from Winnie the Pooh that he suggested. I sat with my dd1 on one side and my ds the other, then dp next to him. We all had our arms around each other and I cried silently throughout. Then at the end the minister asked everyone else to leave so the 4 of us could say our final goodbyes, at which point I started weeping with a vengeance. It wasn't til we went outside to join everyone else that I saw all the people who had come to be with us.

We went back to my parents house for brunch, which went really well. I come from a family who crack open the wine and beer at the earliest opportunity, so the wine flowed along with the tea and coffee for the drivers. It was a beautiful day, the sun shining, so we went into the garden. The children and the men played football, the ladies chatted and did a bit of skipping (who would have ever known that I could still 'jump in'???. I had got some helium balloons printed with the words "Too beautiful for earth..." so everyone released one and 'raised a toast' to Eris. People gradually drifted off home, but a group of people stayed with us all afternoon and into the evening. We had takeaway and eventually got home about 10pm. It was a very special day. I talked about Eris lots and, very importantly, people had fun. A very important thing to do, IMO, when celebrating a life instead of mourning a death. As people left I asked them all to be sure to remember my little baby girl, to think of her often and not let her be forgotten.

Dp and I set up a fundraising page to raise money for SaNDS for people to make donations instead of brining flowers. When I checked earlier today, we have had donations of £1360! It makes me sad that we're in the position to have received those donations, but we smile when we realise how much people care.

Anyway, dp went to the FD this afternoon and picked up Eris' ashes, so we at least have now brought our daughter home. It raised a few laughs yesterday when we were asked what we planned to do with the ashes and I said we would bring her home and put her in the wardrobe with nanny (whose ashes have been in my wardrobe for 2 years now!). Some might find this odd, but others thought it touching and comforting that they would be in the wardrobe together.

Anyway, I have wittered on more than I intended. I am pleased to say that I do actually feel a sense of peace now that the funeral is over. Both dp and I had been scared of yesterday as we were both aware that a funeral brings about a finality and reality to what has happened. And somehow, facing that finality has helped me achieve a degree of acceptance.

So, in memory of my precious baby daughter, Eris, I would like to pronounce this thread for bereaved mummies "OPEN"!!

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LouiseAnn · 10/06/2008 19:30

feedmenow - I think I must have missed your pregnancy annoucement. I know you feel kind of mixed up, but I will say congratulations anyway. It was quite quick for you. I found out I was pregnant 6 months after James died. It took 3 months to decide it was an ok thing to do and 3 months to conceive.

As people have said, it is not a replacement. James was 11yo, so it was a bit different for me. This baby is a positive, looking forward sort of a thing. There are some mixed emotions for me, but its mostly positive. I am 25 weeks at the moment. We are having lots of debates about his names, but I have decided that James will be one of his middle names.

chegirl · 10/06/2008 19:31

Hello all. I hope you are all ok today and not too hungover. I hope the new babies are well.

Had to take little Asher Marley to A&E last night. He had a temp and a rash and I just couldnt leave it. I used to be a very calm mum. I am not anymore. I seem to have forgotten how to look after well children when they are ill (is that clear!?). When Billie was on treatment we had a very strict procedure of what to do if she got a temp. She was ill an awful awful lot and I was her carer. I knew exactly what to do, what to give her, where to take her. I could be packed for both of us and ready to leave for hospital in 5 minutes whatever time of the night or day (it was always night tho!). Now I feel useless. I have no confidence in my instincts as a mum.
The other big problem is my dread (boardering on a phobia) of any medical situation or environment. By the time I got to the hospital last night I was a mess. But you wouldnt have known it. Are any of you like that? I seem to shut down emotionally. I feel numb BUT underneath I can also feel that everything might explode at any moment. When Billie was ill I never cried, I couldnt worry her and I was with her all the time. I could not afford to think of 'what ifs' so I ignored everything. 4 years after her diagnosis I seem to be stuck.

Anyway Asher Marley is much better today He is such a happy little soul. He has a virus.

On the subject of having a baby after losing a child. People were forever asking me if I wanted a girl (with a sort of sad look of their faces, head tilted sort of thing). I never knew what to say to them. How could I give them the 'right' answer. I do miss having a girl around the place. I am a very girly girly sort of 40 year old! But having a girl wouldnt have made losing my darling any easier. It was hard not to be rude but I know they didnt mean to be hurtful.
Anyway Asher Marley Lennon William couldnt be more like Billie if he WAS a girl. He is the image of her.
Phew - that was a long post.
Sending love and strength to you all x

LouiseAnn · 10/06/2008 19:31

Oh and hello to everyone else. I hope you are all enjoying the sun.

shabster · 10/06/2008 20:15

Chegirl - I really understand what you mean about what to do with a 'well' child when they are ill My eldest DS tore tendons in his ankle when he was about 14. So up to the hospital. They sat us outside the room where Matt was taken to after his accident - the room where they declared him dead on arrival. We sat outside for about 5 mins with the pair of us sobbing loudly. My son hobbled over to the reception and said 'move me and my mam to another room now before I scream this place down.' They asked why and when we explained they offered us the relatives room - the same one Matt had been moved to!! Now we can laugh about it but we didnt do much laughing that day.

Hope DS is soon much better.

shabster · 10/06/2008 20:18

I hope this pregnancy lark is not catching by the way!!! We are going to have a little brood of newbies in a few months arent we?

I found out I was having DS4 Tom on my 40th birthday - somewhat of a shock to say the least.

Emma and my granbaby Lewis are home!!! Going for snuggles tomorrow.

FMN we are not very far from filling this thread are we - think it is 1,000 posts on each thread. I hope this is a daft question - you are going to continue our 'gang' arent you

feedmenow · 10/06/2008 21:15

Home already???? Either they are both doing ABSOLUTELY fan-bleedin-tastic or she just couldn't hack the hospital food and demanded to be allowed home!!!!!
Was thinking just this morning that this particular leg of thread would soon come to an end. If it's OK with everyone else I would like to "pass on the baton" and allow our friendship to continue in memory of someone else now (although I'm sure we all realise that it is in memory of all our children, only the thread title would be far too long to work!). Anyway, I would like to pass the baton on to Shabs cos I really believe that without her encouragement then this thread would not be here, particularly not as it is (you know, warm, funny, sad, all at the same time. So, Shabs, you get to name the next one after your boys and, when that leg is full up, you can pass the baton on to the next person....if that's OK with everyone else that is?

LouiseAnn, thank you for the congrats. It IS congratulations - all new life deserves that at least. But the truth is that it wasn't planned, not this soon. I have to say that I don't know that I really believed I could conceive again that soon. And I don't think I mean physically, I think I mean more that I was in such an emotional shock of a place that it didn't really occur to me that it could happen. Then we were careful, but obviously too late! I didn't bother being careful at all on holiday cos I already knew deep down that I was pregnant. This is now my 6th pregnancy () and I've only just really realised my early symptoms. A bit slow, me!!

And while I'm on the subject I just wanted to tell you the symptoms I am referring to that, I think, are rather odd. See what you think....

  1. Pain around my bellybutton
  2. Lots and lots of burping
  3. Hairy nostrils

And I reckon I'm probably 6 weeks, so these strike me as rather odd and rather early!

Chegirl, I'm glad Asher Marley has nothing more than a virus (a bog-standard virus I take it, though?) Poor mite, and poor you! I've never been through caring for a truly ill child but I can imagine that you now have knowledge and experiences that you wish you didn't have. Whats that saying about knowledge being bad cos you can't take it away once you've got it?

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shabster · 10/06/2008 21:20

OMG FeedMN - Oh my word - Oh poo - Oh you have made me blub. I am so touched by your words - blimey I am lost for words.

shabster · 10/06/2008 21:25

Thank you. xx

feedmenow · 10/06/2008 21:25

That's just crying cos you've still got an Ouzo-induced hangover AND cos your little Lewis is safely home! Now wipe away the snot and start thinking

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shabster · 10/06/2008 21:26

FMN - You, my friend, are a nutter

lottiejenkins · 10/06/2008 21:30

Hi all, Jacks cross is back on the grave... It look absolutely perfect. Mr carpenter man rang me about 7.15 tonight and said would it be ok to take me over. There are two other little boys in th churchyard as well as Jack, I went to see Callum and Kristian too, when i got to Kristian's grave a baby rabbit jumped out of the long grass, i dont know who got the bigger fright. Am so pleased that the cross is back there and the flowers that Mum had put on there on Sunday hadn't been munched which was a bonus! I'm happy to continue chatting on another thread when this one finishes!

Doobydoo · 10/06/2008 21:33

God I totally Love you lotAnd i don't say this lightly!

shabster · 10/06/2008 21:33

Yeah....Lottie Im so glad for you that Jacks cross is sorted. I bet you feel better now as well. Like the rabbit part - I bet you jumped out of your skin!! Im glad you are happy about the new thread. I feel really honoured.

cece · 10/06/2008 21:34

FMN - just seen your news. Wanted to wish you congratulations.

shabster · 10/06/2008 21:36

Dooby - I reckon we are a great mixture of mums with a common goal - to keep our chins up and cope with our lot - one way or another. So glad I saw FMN's post a few months ago.

Doobydoo · 10/06/2008 21:39

Chegirl,I can imagine how you must feel.I used to be a paed nurse and it is no use at all with my ds's I still have a blind panic when they are unwell[tho appear calm]I am so pleased Asher Marley is ok.Though he must be feeling poorly.I think people thought i minded having 2 ds's after Hannah,but of course i don't.
I am heartened to here about being pregnant at 40.I am 39 next month and am tempted but feel i would be pushing my luck.
Shabs your post about the hospital what can i say.I am crying and now laughing at your other posts.You are one amazing woman and so are the rest of you.
FMN,don't worryPerhaps purchase a nasal hair trimmer

Doobydoo · 10/06/2008 21:40

Lottie

lottiejenkins · 10/06/2008 21:44

Re the names... I have a friend whos son is called Marley Desmond after Bob Marley and Desmond Decker.. he's one of the boys who "keeps an eye" on Wilfred when hes out and about... my other friends lost their 11 yr old to a brain tumour, they had a "surprise addition" and gave him his brothers name as a middle name! Ps new pics on my profile of Wilf and one of Wilf and I so you can see me at last! I've contacted the local paper about our escapades yesterday,,,, people are quick to swear and run things down, but less likely to praise good service,,, if there is something in tomorrow i will let you all know!

shabster · 10/06/2008 21:48

I used to love Desmond Decker....sorry about that I was 15 for a couple of minutes then!! xx

feedmenow · 10/06/2008 22:15

Rrraaaaargh!! My bl**dy vat just jumped on the keyboard and deleted half my post!! Will now desperatly have to try and remember what I was saying which, with my abismal memory, is not an easy thing to do!

Dooby, dp already has a nasal hair trimmer so I might just borrow his!! Seriousuly, does anyone else grow excessive nasal hair when pregnant????? I reckon mine will be plaitable in a few weeks! I'll never be able to keep this a secret with a bushy nose! Or maybe the nasal shrubbery will distract people from asking why I'm not drinking?????

Lottie, so glad the cross is done. And how lovely of Mr Carpenter to be so hunky helpful!!

Thanks Cece. As you might have gathered, this is not exactly what I expected. You would have thought that by my age I would have cottoned on to the following equation...unprotected sex = a baby!! Am seeing Zara tomorrow...she's going to be in for a fun session! My moods and emotions are so completely and utterley all over the place at the moment that I don't imagine I'll even get as far as talking between all the sobbing and nose-blowing. But that, I suppose, is her job. How are you?

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shabster · 10/06/2008 22:19

did you mean rat?? We have got a wonderful hamster - he is fab.

shabster · 10/06/2008 22:19

I had hairy toes, and a hairy tummy when I was pregnant. It is now in dreadlocks. Honestly

shabster · 10/06/2008 22:32

OK my loves - Im off to my bed. Will have a good think about the title - thank you so much I feel very honoured. xxxx

cece · 10/06/2008 22:49

That is what she is there for. Are you going to the memorial service at then end of the month?

dippymother · 11/06/2008 00:05

Lottie - sounds like you had a nightmare journey. I can picture it very clearly in my mind as I have also spent many hours waiting at Liverpool Street for a train, then getting as far as Shenfield and no further. Glad you didn't have to pay though!

FMN - from your recent posts you sound much happier, so I'm guessing the pregnancy is making you feel better already? Will you tell us what sex the baby is, cos I'm nosy too and in my day, we never got to find out until the baby was born! Great idea btw, for Shabs to continue the thread, I agree she has kept us amused over the last few months, a real tonic. PS did you mean cat? My cat jumps on my keyboard all the time, soooo annoying!

Louiseann - Would be enjoying the sun if I didn't have to go to work! Anyway, best of luck with the rest of your pregnancy, hope all goes well.

Night night ladies, have to go to bed now, got to get up for work tomorrow.

Shabs - can't wait to see what title you decide on!!

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