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Our special thread where we can be who we are. A thread to remember our children who are no longer physically here. Our 'safe haven.'

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LilyTheSavage · 30/07/2015 20:49

This is it. Here we are. Thank you to Shabbs for noticing how far down the last thread we got.

Remembering all our precious children. Sending love to you all. This is just so wrong. I could howl to the moon tonight.

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3littlebadgers · 23/11/2015 19:01

Thanks Wood x

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shabbs · 25/11/2015 09:07

Just listened to that song.....so touching. IT'S NOT FAIR.....THERE YOU GO I HAVE SAID IT........IT IS NOT FAIR.

Sure I didn't 'sign up' for any of this crap. My rocks, when I lost my sons, were my Mam & Dad....now Dad isin't here and Mum (my real Mum) has disappeared thanks to the dementia (Im not even giving the word a capital letter - cause its an arse).

Constant money worries, constant fookin' sadness and I also HATE christmas (thats not getting a capital letter either)

Think today will consist of me mainly kicking myself up the bum and pinning on a smile.

Sorry for all that -

3littlebadgers · 25/11/2015 09:51

Oh shabbs, I'm so sorry, it is unfair, and even more so when your support network have been taken away too through illness and death. Don't kick yourself up the bum, we are all entitled to feel crappy.

You too Shiney, I think it is perfectly normal that we are no longer the same people as we were, who can live through something like this and come out the other end completely unaffected. I think to do that wouldn't be fair to the child(ren) we lost or to our other children. I think them seeing how the loss of one of them is so devastating for us, confirms in many ways how important they themselves are.

Afm, well I sort of failed yesterday. I got myself to the appointment with the maternity psychologist and then just had a massive breakdown in the waiting room. By the time I was in my appointment I was in no fit state to go anywhere near the delivery ward. We did a lot of working through the fact that Azra had died before I even made it to the hospital and that had she been alive her birth would have been a normal one, to try and separate my feelings from the delivery unit itself. Which in theory makes sense to me. I know there is no added risk to this baby just by being in the same place as I gave birth to my last, but all of the emotion tied up with that place is overwhelming. We are going to try again in a couple of weeks, but with 9 weeks until the birth I am begining to worry what will happen if I just can't do it? I'm not suitable for homebirth because I need to be induced, and the only other hospital with a maternity unit shut down last year!

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3littlebadgers · 25/11/2015 19:25

Smile thanks Shiney that really helps I didn't think of it like that before, like doing it for the baby, that would definately make me more determined I think. If are around the west London area on induction day, feel free to pop by, you'd be very useful Wink.

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3littlebadgers · 26/11/2015 11:04

To all of the American mums, missing one of their precious children today, I hope Thanksgiving is kind to you. Flowers thinking of you all x

WoodViolets · 26/11/2015 13:59

Thank you, 3
Thanksgiving is rather rough, as I certainly am not feeling particularly thankful, and I am ending up with a houseful of people as DH can't fathom not doing the usual thing ...

I found this on thegrieftoolbox, and I thought others might appreciate the thought, whether you celebrate Thanksgiving or not:

This season I am thankful for:
My mind
That still remembers you
My voice
That still speaks of you
My spirit
That still hears you
My heart
That still loves you

Best wishes on Thanksgiving.

WoodViolets · 26/11/2015 14:06

3 I agree with Shiney -- we mothers find a strength we don't know we have when it comes to children. I'm sorry the visit was so difficult. Hugs

shabbs It definitely isn't fair. I'm so sorry you have so much additional heaped on you. Thinking of you.

Shiney I feel different as well -- such a trauma does change a person. I certainly have a lot less patience for petty things as well.

caiderbugsmom · 26/11/2015 18:15

Hello ladies,
I've returned from our trip which was a lot of fun and DD had an absolute blast with the horses and the zoo adventures. How is everyone doing? at present i do not have much time to scroll too far back to check for myself, but I do hope everything is going well with everyone and all the things we had going on. This Thanksgiving is going to be a challenge, I don't 'feel' much of anything outside of " oh my DD is going to be cute!" and then the emptiness that my DS won't be here physically. His room is now vacant now that my friend has gone and being in there still hurts me, I'm trying to buck up and keep my chin up, but it's a bit tricky.. I hope everyone will be alright and is taking good care

hugs to all

3littlebadgers · 26/11/2015 19:45

Wood that is beautiful x

WoodViolets · 29/11/2015 15:24

So glad the trip went well, caiderbugs . I hope you made it through Thanksgiving alright.
I know what you mean about feeling an emptiness ...

Hope everyone is doing okay. Best wishes.

caiderbugsmom · 30/11/2015 03:15

Hi wood
Thanksgiving was tough, but I know I'm not the only one. I was caught off guard a few times, like DS being mentioned in the prayer, which was sweet but because I wasn't prepared for it I had to really fight not to cry. And later my sis in laws mother turned on this show called " Code black" which was all sorts of crazy scenarios in an ER which triggered flashbacks of my DS...overall it wasn't the best. I'm okay now that I've had time to cry and piece myself back together but I can't say it's been the easiest for me. How is everyone else? I notice it's been a bit quiet.

3littlebadgers · 30/11/2015 06:48

Oh Caider Sad that show was not the best thought out plan by sil's mother. I can imagine how stressful it must have been for you. A couple of months ago I was made to sit through, by a friend, a documentary about a woman who's baby died in the womb at 5 months and then died herself of infection later. Her aim was to show me how lucky I was, that it could have been worse. But unless you have lost a child you cannot possible see how living on without that child is as painful as it gets. I think at the time I would have been quite happy to join my little Azra.

I hope the weeks ahead is kind to everyone x

WoodViolets · 02/12/2015 00:10

Hi caidersbug I'm sorry -- I know how bad it can be when you don't know it is coming, especially.
Hope you have had a bit of a respite since the holiday.

badgers I can't believe you had to sit through that! So insensitive.

Hugs to you both.

It has been rough here -- it seems that now that Thanksgiving is done, it is full on Christmas mode. We have put up the tree, at ds2's request, but all I can think of is DS1 helping decorate last year. I am doing the bare minimum with the holiday stuff this year, but it still feels so terrible.

caiderbugsmom · 02/12/2015 19:32

3littlebadgers oh my lord, that was awful of that friend to do to you! hugs I completely agree that unless someone has suffered a loss like ours they can't see or understand our situation and emotions very well at all.

wood I know how you feel, I haven;t had the energy to cry, but my DD is enjoying the tree at least. i am going to buy a balloon for my DS and send up a candy cane with it for him, but the thought of him not picking out his ornament of the year saddens me along with other things i'm aware he can;t do with us now. but DD deserves a nice holiday and I know we will both try our best, and even if it is the bare minimum it is at least something, and i think that counts immensely hugs

AFM It took me a week to get back to a tolerable emotional state from thanksgiving and I wish I could say it was getting better, but I would rather someone accidentally being insensitive with a show over what I am now facing, that horrible man I mentioned before has been driving a wedge between my husband and I! My husband has enough guilt for feeling responsible for our DS and that man was also there, but this man is an alcoholic and is using my son as another excuse to drink to the point of black outs, drunk texts my husband, calls out of work and completely is dragging my husband down emotionally with this BS!

My DH doesn't want to give up on him, is extremely stubborn about it and has called my reasons for wanting to be away from that man cruel and illogical! Even if we were close friends once that was then and this is now, and this person now is poison and needs to stop draining a grieving family like ours by his suicidal BS, i'm sick of this man! He refuses help by professionals, refuses to get clean when his family has begged him to and close friends as well more than once and he still drinks like this and I want nothing to do with him! The only thing I see is that my DH does not want another death on his hands and wants to do everything he can to save this wretch of a person because he feels he failed our DS and if he fails here then it his his fault, but the way I see it, it is going to happen and i fear for my DH and his already fragile emotional state completely shattering, we have worked so hard to get to a point where we can smile and be okay and this damn bastard is destroying all of that. My DH is scared and such a giving man, but with how emotionally fragile he is and desperate to save this once good friend he is turning into a mess and it is affecting DD and I...I really am at a loss as to what to do, I refuse to leave my DH because he is in need more than ever and that man WILL destroy him and my DH is too good a man for that to happen to. I feel so trapped, if I tell this man off he will certainly go running to my DH and a terrible snow ball effect will erupt and he will off himself sooner i'm sure and cause us more drama, if i tell DH to give up he gets mad and irrationally emotional and he stops listening to me all together, our therapist he won't listen to either, he is THAT determined to save this selfish person. My BIL however has learned of this situation and said he would take care of it, but I'm still so confused and angry that this is even becoming an issue at all and i know i am not being illogical or heartless, this person has got to go and i refuse to help someone who keeps refusing help, i'm done. being in this rocky place is doing it's toll on me, and I can't get pregnant and try again for a sibling for my sammi or caiden if this bastard is around, i'd miscarry for sure. i HATE THIS SO MUCH!

caiderbugsmom · 03/12/2015 17:50

I'm sorry.
I realize that this outburst wasn't done in a proper manner. At the time I wrote when i was over emotional rather than calm and collected, so if I startled or scared anyone I'm very sorry. The good news is that because I have reached out on this matter things have been made more clear. My DH is ok severing ties with this man after his planned intervention, this is the last chance this man has, and as much as i hate him I can deny him a chance to get better if he chooses to. I wish I could honestly delete my old post regarding this topic but I haven't found a way to do so or likely miss where the option is right now. I'm sorry for being really selfish and offloading here when all of the ladies here are hurting just as much as I am and I'm not sure ranting the way I did was of any good conduct. Again I hope everyone is doing okay.

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shabbs · 04/12/2015 15:09

Caider you should never apologise for any of your emotions - especially not on this thread. We all have days when we are feeling angry, sad, disappointed, envious, happy and heartbroken.

xxxx

WoodViolets · 04/12/2015 16:46

Yes, caider no need to apologize at all! You have every right to your emotions, and here is a place to share, and we'll understand. I am just so sorry you have had to deal with this -- on top of everything else. What an awful situation.
Thinking of you -- hugs.

Shiney Hugs. A break can be good. I'm sorry you have been having a hard time.

caiderbugsmom · 04/12/2015 16:46

thank you shiney and shabbs for your understanding, i feared with how intense I was i may have scared other ladies or hurt them in some form.

shiney I hope you are feeling better, Taking a break is good and I hope you are having a better day.

As for me, things are starting to get better, my DH is insisting this is the last time and if he refuses to get clean we cut ties. My BIL is amazing in how he helped us by being the go between for us both and it helped a great deal. Other than this our daily routine has returned to normal for the most part and I don't have any interruptions from this man as much. I hope all is well with everyone!

WoodViolets · 05/12/2015 15:39

caider Glad things are looking a bit better, and maybe there is an end to this in sight. That is great that your BIL has been a help.
Best wishes.

LilyTheSavage · 07/12/2015 12:57

Hi everybody. I've just been lurking for ages. Couldn't post. But just wanted to check in and say hello.

Hope you're feeling stronger shiney.

Glad things are looking more positive caider.

Hope that this "happy" season isn't too draining for you all. I'm keeping my head down and trying to pretend that it isn't happening. I know it won't last and I'll have to participate though. Oh well.....

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caiderbugsmom · 07/12/2015 17:39

Hello everyone and thank you for being so encouraging, if not for this thread i'd be going crazier than I already am internally. I am going to see our therapist solo today, I had a talk with DH last night and he was left speechless, but after wanted to cuddle and hold me. He didn't say anything or comment on what I was talking about regarding why I do not want his friend in our lives and why I can't be pushed, especially when I can't spare any of my strength on anyone but myself. I have no idea what he is thinking but it has gotten him to think, so maybe some good will come of it. I'm hoping the therapist can help me feel better and not so numb and emotionally drained, i don't function well when that happens and I have my little Samantha to take care of. Hoping everyone is doing okay today hugs

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