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To think my DSS are completely out of control

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Emilyelite · Yesterday 16:57

I’ve been putting off posting this because I know how stepmothers get talked about on here but honestly I am at the end of my tether and DH is now not speaking to me so here goes.

I have a 2 year old DS with my husband and he has 3 boys from his previous marriage, 15, 13 and 8. They have recently come to live with us full time after living abroad with their mum for years. They used to see their dad mainly in the school holidays. I knew it would be a massive adjustment but I genuinely dont think DH realised how much would change having them here all the time.

Their mum has moved around a lot over the years, different countries, different schools etc. I am not saying she is a bad mum as I dont know the full story and I wasnt there, but from what the boys have told us they had pretty much unlimited screen time, could stay up watching things and eat in their rooms. Getting them off devices now is a battle every single day. DH says they have had enough upheaval and we need to be patient which I do understand but there still has to be some rules surely.

The older two are the worst for attitude. They have started at the local secondary and apparently think it is beneath them. DSS1 has said the other kids are thick and common and asked why he has to go to a school like this when he used to go to a much better one. DSS2 joins in with this sort of thing and they have both already been in trouble for being rude to teachers and disrupting lessons. We cannot afford private school for 3 children, not that I think they should get to look down on everyone else anyway.

At home they just seem to take whatever they want and expect everyone else to sort it out. Food, chargers, things out of my bag, it doesnt matter. If I say something I get told their dad lets them do it or that I am not their mum. DH says I need to stop turning everything into an argument and they are settling in.

The biggest issue at the moment is DSS3 and DS. The 8 year old is constantly snatching things from him. DS will be happily playing with a toy and DSS3 will just take it out of his hands, then laugh when he cries or run off with it. Yesterday he took his favourite little car while DS was playing with it and DS was absolutely sobbing. I told DSS3 to give it back and he started shouting that it was his house too and he could have what he wanted. I know he is only 8 but he is old enough to understand that you dont just grab things off a toddler and laugh at them.

DH came in and told me I was making a fuss over nothing. He said DS needs to learn to share and cannot expect to have everything to himself just because he is the baby. I said sharing is not the same as having things ripped out of your hands and that if DS was doing it to his brothers I would tell him off as well. DH said his boys have had a difficult childhood, have been dragged around different countries and missed having their dad around every day and I should have a bit more compassion.

I do have compassion. I know they have been through a lot and I am not expecting them to suddenly be perfectly behaved children. But apparently every single thing they do is because of their childhood and if I dare say anything I am the wicked stepmother. They can be really nasty to each other as well, pushing and hitting when they get wound up, and DH just calls it being boisterous boys. I have asked him what happens when school starts calling every week or one of them seriously hurts DS and he says I am being dramatic.

There is also a language thing because they have lived in different countries and sometimes switch languages between themselves. I dont mind that at all and I know they have had to adapt to different places, but sometimes DH uses that as another reason why I shouldnt question anything they do. I feel like I am expected to accept absolutely everything because their lives have been unsettled.

After yesterday I said to DH that he needs to actually parent them instead of defending everything they do. He said I knew he had children when I married him and that DS is needs to understand sharing anyway so why am I making it an issue. He has barely spoken to me since.

I dont want his boys sent away or made to feel unwanted, I really dont. But I am starting to dread being at home when they are all here and I feel awful even typing that. Am I being unreasonable to expect some basic manners and boundaries or do I need to accept that this is just how boys are and give them more time? And is DH right that our 2 year old needs to learn to share even when his brothers are taking things off him?

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Newyearawaits · Yesterday 22:48

MrsJeanLuc · Yesterday 20:11

Don't be ridiculous. OP is expecting a husband who steps up and parents his children - not one who actively belittles her instead!

I'm not being 'ridiculous'. I'm presenting my view on current situation.
Using chargers and eating food from the fridge is normal behavior for children in their homes.
Husband is acknowledging the upheaval in the boys lives and picking his 'battles' during adjustment process.
That is an example of considerate parenting.
OP is inexperienced in parenting teenagers and didn't sign up to the situation. I'm not blaming her but in order for her marriage to survive she will need to adjust her mindset.
Or she may decide to separate and become a single parent.
Either way, I wish her well and everyone else too.

Ilovelifeverymuch · Yesterday 22:48

JLou08 · Yesterday 17:48

They sound hard work but you also sound dramatic. He took a car from your 3 year old and you worrying about him "sobbing" and talking about them seriously hurting him is OTT. There's nothing to say they will seriously hurt your child. A 3 year old does need to learn to share and then being upset is just them communicating their frustration, he's not going to be emotionally harmed by someone taking his car off him and he is at an age where he needs to start learning to communicate with his words rather than crying.

C'mon, an 8 year old snatching toys out of a 3 years old hands isn't nice especially when it looks like he is doing it so the younger kid can cry.

You say the 3 year old should learn to share yes I agree, and by that logic the 8 year old should also know better and should know that it is wrong to snatch things away from people and make them cry while he laughs.

You say the 3 year old should learn to communicate I agree, by that logic the 8 year old should also be better at communicating and should know how to ask for a turn if he wants to play with the toy when someone is already using it.

You're being unfairly harsh.

FrustratedApples · Yesterday 22:57

It's so tough for them with so much change at once. Could you and the toddler move somewhere else for a month or two so the boys can settle into school and home without having to add the new relationship with you and the toddler? DH can use that time to focus on setting house rules, and you might find that having to deal with the chaos himself means he has to put in some boundaries around everyday basics.

Newyearawaits · Yesterday 22:58

lazyarse123 · Yesterday 20:42

I have no advice but I absolutely would not be putting up with the 8year old taking things from the toddler. It's not sharing it's just nasty. I'd struggle to not snatch things back, nasty little shit. I understand it's a big change for them but not having discipline will not do them any favours.

Totally unnecessary choice of words to describe the boy who was perceived to be 'snatching ".
Your comments clearly lack any level of insight into the vulnerability of OP's sc
or her possible heightened sensitivity

Newyearawaits · Yesterday 23:00

ThreadGuardDog · Yesterday 19:18

Nope. They don’t need counselling. They need to learn that the world doesn’t revolve around them and they need to have some respect and consideration for others. DH is enabling bullying behaviour. If I were OP I’d take the baby and leave until he steps up to his responsibilities and stops their disrespect.

Wow

Happyjoe · Yesterday 23:08

While I sympathise with the kids and everything changing for them, this behaviour of course is not acceptable. Your husband should be working harder to help his children cope with everything not leave them to do whatever they like. Your husband is a lazy dad.

It is unfair for you to be the one feeling like this, the bad cop and not supported by your husband and having your back over things like taking your youngest's toys or things out of your bag (theft) is just shit.

I would be having a calm conversation about this, not letting husband dismiss it. If he doesn't take anything on board I'd have to rethink the relationship as couldn't live like this for the next 10 or so years til they leave home.

Nettleskeins · Yesterday 23:15

I know posh/highly aspirational families where the much loved children eat actual meals/ food in their bedrooms. I find it terrible but the father explained to me that he hated being bullied to come down to inevitably tense meal times involving washing up, prep, table laying arguing etc and food he did not like to boot (this was his teen POV)

I suppose if you look at it from the other end of telescope you have to start by making meals very pleasant companionable experiences.

Start small, start with sharing a cup of tea or a piece of toast, crumpet, samosa snacks at table with other people present chatting etc.

then graduate to preparing meals that can be reheated or kept warm in portions (like lasagne, stew and mash but try and only let them by eaten Downstairs (not necessarily at same time as anyone else,)
Privacy and downtime is a massive issue for teens (I have three 20 year olds who have graduated from that phase but I know it well)

Eventually as if you were a horse whisperer ,they gravitate towards meals, they want to join a family meal and the whole atmosphere lifts. It doesn't come from insisting they eat downstairs its making your house feel like a safe place for them.

The thing about the 8 year old he is the displaced baby of the family, it's textbook that he doesn't behave like a kind older brother. Maybe if you left your husband with them all for the weekend and your little one I think the penny might drop. They want HIS attention at the moment they are only getting your negative attention. Withdraw your attention and suggest your husband looks sfter them all four for a bit, like a whole weekend. Magically the two year old will become loved and cherished when he isn't seem as yours but their brother. And then slowly you put yourself back into the mix.

Rules and boundaries aren't going to solve the fundamental problem that they feel very unsafe and unsettled, their mum has "dropped "them /can manage without them for whatever reason and imagine how that might make you feel ....

Bunny44 · Yesterday 23:15

Emilyelite · Yesterday 18:01

Hes not 3, he literally turned 2 last month! I dont expect him to be able to calmly explain his feelings when an 8 year old snatches something out of his hands and laughs at him for crying. I know children cry, obviously, and im not saying he is going to be emotionally damaged for life over a toy car 🙄 its the whole thing of it happening constantly and DH acting like the older boys can do no wrong.

The boys are really aggressive with each other as well, hitting, grabbing, shoving and swearing at each other when they get wound up. Its not just normal sibling bickering over a toy, they can get properly physical and DH just tells them to pack it in without actually dealing with it. So yes I am concerned about a 2 year old being around that, especially when DSS3 is already taking things off him and laughing when he cries. Im not saying they are definitely going to seriously hurt him but is it really that unreasonable to want DH to take it seriously before something does happen? And I never said DS should never have to share, I said there is a difference between teaching a toddler to share and letting an 8 year old repeatedly snatch things from him. Apparently that makes me dramatic.

I have a just 3 year old and I'd be livid too @Emilyelite if an 8 year old did.that. He's purposely upsetting your young child in his own house even he should know better. You must feel really on edge and protective over your child as the boys sound really unpleasant.

It's quite common for children to claim that rules are more lax than they actually are so I wouldn't trust what they tell you. You and DH should decide what the rules are between you and stick to them, no matter what they had before.

Your DH needs to remember that boundaries and rules are good for children. The real world has them too and if they carry on like this he's setting them up for failure once they leave home

Cattywillow · Yesterday 23:33

PurpleLovecats · Yesterday 17:36

So three boys have:

changed country
changed language culture
Changed family dynamic
changed house
changed school
changed friends.

I would EXPECT bad behaviour but I wouldn’t ACCEPT that behaviour.

They are telling you they are sad, angry, frustrated, anxious, all these differing emotions.

They need strong boundaries but also a lot of love and support. Family counselling might help. And individual therapy for the three of them to share their emotions.

This post nails it. They’re testing the boundaries. Your Dh has decided it’s easier not to have any but he’s wrong. Boundaries help kids feel loved.

1coconut2coconut3coconut4 · Yesterday 23:39

The key is to find the balance. Make them feel loved and welcomed whilst setting clear rules. Tell them what your expectations are - in this house we... and we don't... Remind them you want them here, they are your family, but families have to work together and that means following the rules. Clear boundaries help kids feel safe and by not imposing them your DH is actively harming them rather than helping them. Tell them you are all held to the same rules and try to make sure that is the case. They are probably jealous of their little brother who has had dad's time and attention the whole time - and you. And miss their mum. Set clear rules but make sure they get extra attention from dad to help make up for the sadness they will be feeling from their mum's absence, lots of 121 time as well as just the three of them, and gradually over time pare it back to be more balanced.

BusyMum47 · Yesterday 23:41

They sound like rude, spoiled little shits & your husband sounds like a spineless twat! Ugh. I’d have to seriously consider my future in that scenario.

Ellie56 · Yesterday 23:47

VioletsTale · Yesterday 17:12

I rarely say this, but if I were you, I’d say fuck it , take your little one and leave.
Your DH will never parent them in the way they need , so you have at least 10 more years of this, at best.

Yes this.
Your so called DH is a shit dad and things are not going to get any better with this feral trio ruling the roost.

Your little boy deserves better than this.

Autumn5628 · Yesterday 23:49

VioletsTale · Yesterday 17:12

I rarely say this, but if I were you, I’d say fuck it , take your little one and leave.
Your DH will never parent them in the way they need , so you have at least 10 more years of this, at best.

I agree, and toddlers do not learn to share by getting over having their toys ripped away. Your husband sounds like a lazy shit dad.

Constantrunner · Yesterday 23:56

Honestly lots of the comments here are why if I ever split with my partner, I would not live with someone else until my kids left home. Finding someone who is actually going to care about your kids and try and understand them is like finding a unicorn.

The eight year old is snatching from the toddler because he is jealous of the toddler. He was the baby of the family. Suddenly the toddler is the baby of the family and frankly wanted and loved much more than the eight year old. He is attempting to communicate this to you when he says it's his home too.

He needs to feel loved and wanted. That is the way to stop the jealous behaviour.

I think as well when your own child is only just three, eight may seem like a really old child. It's not, the eight year old is still very young.

And it's normal for teenage boys to be boisterous.

I feel really sorry for these kids. Their perfectly normal behaviour in the circumstances is being painted as if they are out of control.

And the comments about school and bit of bad behaviour is normal for kids who liked and we're settled at their school and now have to go to school n a different country. That is a tough transition even in good circumstances.

And to make it worse they previously attended an international private school that will have had much smaller class sizes and better extra curriculars than the state school they now go to. The state school probably isn't as good as their previous school, but they are being censured for expressing unhappiness at that.

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