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To think my DSS are completely out of control

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Emilyelite · Today 16:57

I’ve been putting off posting this because I know how stepmothers get talked about on here but honestly I am at the end of my tether and DH is now not speaking to me so here goes.

I have a 2 year old DS with my husband and he has 3 boys from his previous marriage, 15, 13 and 8. They have recently come to live with us full time after living abroad with their mum for years. They used to see their dad mainly in the school holidays. I knew it would be a massive adjustment but I genuinely dont think DH realised how much would change having them here all the time.

Their mum has moved around a lot over the years, different countries, different schools etc. I am not saying she is a bad mum as I dont know the full story and I wasnt there, but from what the boys have told us they had pretty much unlimited screen time, could stay up watching things and eat in their rooms. Getting them off devices now is a battle every single day. DH says they have had enough upheaval and we need to be patient which I do understand but there still has to be some rules surely.

The older two are the worst for attitude. They have started at the local secondary and apparently think it is beneath them. DSS1 has said the other kids are thick and common and asked why he has to go to a school like this when he used to go to a much better one. DSS2 joins in with this sort of thing and they have both already been in trouble for being rude to teachers and disrupting lessons. We cannot afford private school for 3 children, not that I think they should get to look down on everyone else anyway.

At home they just seem to take whatever they want and expect everyone else to sort it out. Food, chargers, things out of my bag, it doesnt matter. If I say something I get told their dad lets them do it or that I am not their mum. DH says I need to stop turning everything into an argument and they are settling in.

The biggest issue at the moment is DSS3 and DS. The 8 year old is constantly snatching things from him. DS will be happily playing with a toy and DSS3 will just take it out of his hands, then laugh when he cries or run off with it. Yesterday he took his favourite little car while DS was playing with it and DS was absolutely sobbing. I told DSS3 to give it back and he started shouting that it was his house too and he could have what he wanted. I know he is only 8 but he is old enough to understand that you dont just grab things off a toddler and laugh at them.

DH came in and told me I was making a fuss over nothing. He said DS needs to learn to share and cannot expect to have everything to himself just because he is the baby. I said sharing is not the same as having things ripped out of your hands and that if DS was doing it to his brothers I would tell him off as well. DH said his boys have had a difficult childhood, have been dragged around different countries and missed having their dad around every day and I should have a bit more compassion.

I do have compassion. I know they have been through a lot and I am not expecting them to suddenly be perfectly behaved children. But apparently every single thing they do is because of their childhood and if I dare say anything I am the wicked stepmother. They can be really nasty to each other as well, pushing and hitting when they get wound up, and DH just calls it being boisterous boys. I have asked him what happens when school starts calling every week or one of them seriously hurts DS and he says I am being dramatic.

There is also a language thing because they have lived in different countries and sometimes switch languages between themselves. I dont mind that at all and I know they have had to adapt to different places, but sometimes DH uses that as another reason why I shouldnt question anything they do. I feel like I am expected to accept absolutely everything because their lives have been unsettled.

After yesterday I said to DH that he needs to actually parent them instead of defending everything they do. He said I knew he had children when I married him and that DS is needs to understand sharing anyway so why am I making it an issue. He has barely spoken to me since.

I dont want his boys sent away or made to feel unwanted, I really dont. But I am starting to dread being at home when they are all here and I feel awful even typing that. Am I being unreasonable to expect some basic manners and boundaries or do I need to accept that this is just how boys are and give them more time? And is DH right that our 2 year old needs to learn to share even when his brothers are taking things off him?

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Greenscreennightmare · Today 21:17

OP, your DH should be on his knees thanking you for taking on his three boys. Three! Nobody would blame you if you chose to walk under those circumstances.

Does he recognise the difficulty for you in suddenly being a parent to 4 boys, instead of just the one? If not then he's really not a good person, at best he's taking you for granted and at worst you've become his "nanny with a fanny".

LadyLapsang · Today 21:17

I imagine your DH has been far from a hands on parent since he split up with his ex 7 years ago. Those 3 children should have been his top priority. Of course, there was Covid too, so I expect that negatively impacted him spending time with his children. He needs to take the opportunity to be a hands-on good dad, arrange for the children to see a councillor, have enough time with their mum and perhaps consider a different school.

TurtleMcTurtle · Today 21:19

I want to bang my head against the table when I hear men like your DH saying stuff like “their bad behaviour is based on their difficult childhood”. Who made their childhood difficult???? HIM! Their dad 🤦🏻‍♀️

As a parent it was HIS responsibility to protect his children and prevent them from having a difficult childhood. He failed to do this, and now his poor kids are acting out and he’s blaming their “childhood” like it was nothing to do with him 🤦🏻‍♀️

Is he an idiot??

He didn’t parent them then, and he’s not parenting them now. He needs to step up and give those kids some boundaries, be a strong, nurturing, loving presence in their life and reverse the damage that HE did to make them turn out the way they have.

Jesus Christ, what does he think parenting is? Leaving the raising of your kids to others and then moaning if they don’t turn out right?

If I was you, I’d leave. But in all honesty, the red flags were waving when he didn’t even live in the same country as his THREE children, why on earth you’d think he’d make a good father is beyond me.

socialbatteryisdead · Today 21:21

I couldn’t live like this.

PlayingDevilsAdvocateisinteresting · Today 21:26

itwasntme2019 · Today 17:18

Why did they move back with their dad? I wonder if they are missing their mum. To be honest, the behaviour of the two teens sounds like normal teenager attitudes. Teens aren’t easy, they are difficult at times.

@itwasntme2019, I take issue with your statement "To be honest, the behaviour of the two teens dounds like normal teenager attitudes." My teenagers never behaved like selfish, arrogant, hooligans, and none of my friends teenagers ever behaved like that, even though none of our children had a childhood without any problems, some of them serious ones.

My now long-time adult sons never, ever behaved like that, and I can assure you that I am no wonder mum. I was, and still am, wonderful at loving my children, I was not so great at being strict, or setting many boundaries - bit then maybe I didn't have to set many boundaries as I didn't set unfair, or too rigid rules; they did have times that they had to be home by, and the latest they ever were on that was 15 minutes. They did their homework on time, they ate their meals with gusto, and if they wanted, or needed, a snack at other times we would discuss what was available, and portion sizes. I cannot understand the people who say their teenagrrs can help themselves to food whenever they want? Even if I had had an inlimited budget (which I most certainly didn't) I would have still needed to know what was being taken out of the fridge or larder, so that I didn't run out of anything before the next shop. I didn't mind a small daily sweet treat, but they wouldn't have been allowed to help themselves to just anything - they never tried to anyway.

Whilst the youngest was still a baby, their Dad left me for another woman, but he always kept to the every other weekend, and shared school holidays, usual set-up. He went on to have more children with the woman he left me for. I also got married again, which meant that after several years, my boys had a step-dad throughout all of their teenage years. It wasn't always plain sailing, but my boys just never behaved in the way that @Emilyelite's DSSs apparently do. I'm sorry to sdvise this OP, but if your partner continues in this vein for much longer, then I do think that you need to rethink your relationship with him. It really isn't fair on your DS - especially at such a young age - to have to have his childhood ruined by his older, spoilt brothers, treating him with hatered rather than kindness, and his father seeming to not give a damn.

Ionlymakejokestodistractmyself · Today 21:31

I wouldn't get involved with a man with DC for this very reason. I can't imagine how hard it is to be a step parent to older kids suddenly. THREE of them!!

But if you are going to stick around...

Your post is extremely negative (and not without reason). I wonder how much positive feedback the boys get for the things they get right (from DH and you). I'm talking descriptive praise for things they have control over. Praise the behaviours you want to see and you might see more of them.

1-1 quality time doing something of their choice - how much of this do the boys get with their dad? Can you support him doing this? Perhaps if he feels he's getting bonding time with them he'll feel more able to set boundaries.

School - not your circus, not your monkeys. That's a DH problem.

Finally - pick your battles. If you're complaining to the boys and DH about everything it's just noise. Choose the ONE issue that's pissing you off and focus on fixing that. Drop everything else for the moment. As you said the worst thing is 8yo with DS.

The 8 year old is still young despite seeming old compared to your toddler and probably feels displaced as the baby. He never got to grow up with his dad. My advice is focus on the feelings, not the behaviours. Ignore the behaviours unless they are harmful. He could be doing them for attention and ignoring (consistently like 100% of the time) is the best way to get them to stop. More praise and 1-1 time could also help.

It's a long game and you won't solve it in weeks. Maybe I'm months. Good luck.

Randomamsi · Today 21:33

I would leave to be honest. It sounds like a nightmare and I'd want my peace, not living with three poorly raised children

Foxyviolet · Today 21:34

Im sorry op, but unless your husband stops being such a wuss and actually parents them, it is not going to get any better. Honestly I cant see it happening.

I would be making plans to leave and taking my little boy with me. You dont want him being brought up around brothers who behave like that and with a dad who is going try and justify there behaviours and favour his brothers over him.

BrotherOswin · Today 21:36

Newyearawaits · Today 19:52

But the kids are OP's husbands and come in the deal.
OP married a divorced man with 3 young children whose lives have been disrupted big time.
What was OP expecting?
Fairy tales and perfect children?

Ordinarily that argument holds weight but there's a three year old caught up in this as well-
if his brothers can't behave properly towards him then OP's leaving with him may be the best option-
feel so sorry for all the boys, the older 3 for having shit parents and the youngest for potentially becoming the butt of teasing and bullying, he's also had his world turned upside down, poor mite
And OP, ignore what @JLou08 says, I can only presume she doesn't have kids

SapphireSeptember · Today 21:38

JLou08 · Today 17:48

They sound hard work but you also sound dramatic. He took a car from your 3 year old and you worrying about him "sobbing" and talking about them seriously hurting him is OTT. There's nothing to say they will seriously hurt your child. A 3 year old does need to learn to share and then being upset is just them communicating their frustration, he's not going to be emotionally harmed by someone taking his car off him and he is at an age where he needs to start learning to communicate with his words rather than crying.

If an 8 year old made my two year old cry I'd be steaming mad. Wouldn't give a shit if they were my step child or a stranger, I'd be having words.

BrotherOswin · Today 21:40

SapphireSeptember · Today 21:38

If an 8 year old made my two year old cry I'd be steaming mad. Wouldn't give a shit if they were my step child or a stranger, I'd be having words.

Absolutely this
That poster's a social worker, too- the bar must be pretty low for that profession

VivIsBlonde · Today 21:40

I certainly wouldn’t have had a child with someone who couldn’t even take a plane to visit his children regularly regardless of costs!
You can get cheap flights so money is no excuse!!

QueenietheGreat · Today 21:42

@Emilyelite
He's burying his head in the sand and yourself and your little one are bearing the brunt of "3 boisterous boys in total corrosive im better than youse" meltdown mood
Look I know you love him but he's taking your valid concerns out on you by gaslighting because you're saying the truth putting up with shit and he knows it's all a real mess with 3 god-awful precocious brats who.will see you as lesser and if they were given the chance probably and do some real damage to their half sibling I feel; they lack compassion and have a cruel streak that's bolstered by them as a unit together so
I'm going to tell you to drop this, take your baby and just go
And another thing I disliked was the switching of languages, you just know its not going to be remotely complimentary don't you?
Those boys if they went to therapy would be doing so forever as they're so horrible in their oneness and you'll never ever get to the bottom of their psyches
Their mother did a rotten job pure and simple and it's not for you to try and unpick the mess she made then left
Might be wrong but I reckon she couldn't handle them anymore so cut and ran
And if so, she lacks a conscience and won't care about how you're coping anyway
So get out now
It was never a them or you choice
Because you really tried and now
It's become survival.

MostlyGhostly · Today 21:44

My DSC came to live with us at a young age around a decade ago. I have 2 older children. On reflection it’s been mostly successful in terms of outcomes for DCs ( mine and his) but it’s been really, really hard going and that’s with a very hands on DH. DH and I don’t parent the same way and I’ve put strong boundaries in place so that he doesn’t try to parent my children. I honestly don’t envy you at all OP and taking into account the lack of boundaries re snatching and rudeness and low respect for your feelings, I would start to plan an exit. Sorry op, step parenting is hard enough and I really don’t think this situation will end well

SapphireSeptember · Today 21:45

BrotherOswin · Today 21:40

Absolutely this
That poster's a social worker, too- the bar must be pretty low for that profession

Bloody hell. Absolutely no empathy for a small child being bullied by his older half siblings (and it doesn't really matter if he's two or three, he's had his world turned upside down as well.)

StasisMom · Today 21:47

I think there’s too much “I think you should leave” on here, but I think you should leave. And it sounds like that’s what you want. Wishing you the best OP.

Constantrunner · Today 21:47

BrotherOswin · Today 21:36

Ordinarily that argument holds weight but there's a three year old caught up in this as well-
if his brothers can't behave properly towards him then OP's leaving with him may be the best option-
feel so sorry for all the boys, the older 3 for having shit parents and the youngest for potentially becoming the butt of teasing and bullying, he's also had his world turned upside down, poor mite
And OP, ignore what @JLou08 says, I can only presume she doesn't have kids

Normally if you marry someone with kids you have to expect them to treat their kids as important, not just any children you have together

Lotsofsnacks · Today 21:49

Emilyelite · Today 18:01

Hes not 3, he literally turned 2 last month! I dont expect him to be able to calmly explain his feelings when an 8 year old snatches something out of his hands and laughs at him for crying. I know children cry, obviously, and im not saying he is going to be emotionally damaged for life over a toy car 🙄 its the whole thing of it happening constantly and DH acting like the older boys can do no wrong.

The boys are really aggressive with each other as well, hitting, grabbing, shoving and swearing at each other when they get wound up. Its not just normal sibling bickering over a toy, they can get properly physical and DH just tells them to pack it in without actually dealing with it. So yes I am concerned about a 2 year old being around that, especially when DSS3 is already taking things off him and laughing when he cries. Im not saying they are definitely going to seriously hurt him but is it really that unreasonable to want DH to take it seriously before something does happen? And I never said DS should never have to share, I said there is a difference between teaching a toddler to share and letting an 8 year old repeatedly snatch things from him. Apparently that makes me dramatic.

I agree op, an 8 yo should not be snatching toys off a 2 yo toddler, who’s already playing with them, that’s nasty; an 8 yo won’t want to play with it. It’s spiteful and hes old enough to know better.

SapphireSeptember · Today 21:50

Constantrunner · Today 21:47

Normally if you marry someone with kids you have to expect them to treat their kids as important, not just any children you have together

Yes, but the toddler is being expected to put up with being bullied, while the ones doing the bullying are getting away with it. The H here clearly doesn't give a shit about the two year old.

VioletsTale · Today 21:54

Constantrunner · Today 21:47

Normally if you marry someone with kids you have to expect them to treat their kids as important, not just any children you have together

Treating your kids as important isn’t letting them do whatever they want, whenever they want, however they want and have no boundaries or discipline for them.

SpryCat · Today 22:00

You have three boys condoned by their mum living with you who have moved around a lot.
You have a DH who can’t cope with them and lets them get away with misbehaving.
You have a 2 year old getting bullied and your husband expects you to turn the other cheek and allow it to happen and to not get angry that they rifle through your bag.

You are powerless in your own home so I would leave with your little son before it gets worse. You and husband will always be anrguing and it’s a toxic environment. You are the only one who will protect your son as your DH won’t.

Constantrunner · Today 22:00

@VioletsTale I agree. But saying the OP should marry a man with three kids and then act as if they don't exist, is also not fair. If you marry someone with kids there is always a chance they will live with you at some point.

Beeloux · Today 22:01

Sorry OP but I think you’ve partly brung this on yourself.

Why on earth would you as a childfree woman get involved with a deadbeat man with 3 sons who for whatever reason or another, has not fought to keep them close to him? He could have went to court to stop their mother moving away but he chose not to.

I’m a single mother and stay away from single fathers as I’ve had 2 bad experiences dating them. When I was childfree, they simply weren't an option in my dating pool. Likewise, I don’t expect childfree men to be interested in dating me.

FlyingApple · Today 22:11

That's honestly not ok to snatch from a 2 year old. I would not be making my child endure an environment like that, it will not get better.

Constantrunner · Today 22:21

It's not okay, but perfectly normal behaviour for an eight year 9ld feeling unloved and unwanted to snatch a toy from a younger child who is loved and wanted.

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