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To think my DSS are completely out of control

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Emilyelite · Today 16:57

I’ve been putting off posting this because I know how stepmothers get talked about on here but honestly I am at the end of my tether and DH is now not speaking to me so here goes.

I have a 2 year old DS with my husband and he has 3 boys from his previous marriage, 15, 13 and 8. They have recently come to live with us full time after living abroad with their mum for years. They used to see their dad mainly in the school holidays. I knew it would be a massive adjustment but I genuinely dont think DH realised how much would change having them here all the time.

Their mum has moved around a lot over the years, different countries, different schools etc. I am not saying she is a bad mum as I dont know the full story and I wasnt there, but from what the boys have told us they had pretty much unlimited screen time, could stay up watching things and eat in their rooms. Getting them off devices now is a battle every single day. DH says they have had enough upheaval and we need to be patient which I do understand but there still has to be some rules surely.

The older two are the worst for attitude. They have started at the local secondary and apparently think it is beneath them. DSS1 has said the other kids are thick and common and asked why he has to go to a school like this when he used to go to a much better one. DSS2 joins in with this sort of thing and they have both already been in trouble for being rude to teachers and disrupting lessons. We cannot afford private school for 3 children, not that I think they should get to look down on everyone else anyway.

At home they just seem to take whatever they want and expect everyone else to sort it out. Food, chargers, things out of my bag, it doesnt matter. If I say something I get told their dad lets them do it or that I am not their mum. DH says I need to stop turning everything into an argument and they are settling in.

The biggest issue at the moment is DSS3 and DS. The 8 year old is constantly snatching things from him. DS will be happily playing with a toy and DSS3 will just take it out of his hands, then laugh when he cries or run off with it. Yesterday he took his favourite little car while DS was playing with it and DS was absolutely sobbing. I told DSS3 to give it back and he started shouting that it was his house too and he could have what he wanted. I know he is only 8 but he is old enough to understand that you dont just grab things off a toddler and laugh at them.

DH came in and told me I was making a fuss over nothing. He said DS needs to learn to share and cannot expect to have everything to himself just because he is the baby. I said sharing is not the same as having things ripped out of your hands and that if DS was doing it to his brothers I would tell him off as well. DH said his boys have had a difficult childhood, have been dragged around different countries and missed having their dad around every day and I should have a bit more compassion.

I do have compassion. I know they have been through a lot and I am not expecting them to suddenly be perfectly behaved children. But apparently every single thing they do is because of their childhood and if I dare say anything I am the wicked stepmother. They can be really nasty to each other as well, pushing and hitting when they get wound up, and DH just calls it being boisterous boys. I have asked him what happens when school starts calling every week or one of them seriously hurts DS and he says I am being dramatic.

There is also a language thing because they have lived in different countries and sometimes switch languages between themselves. I dont mind that at all and I know they have had to adapt to different places, but sometimes DH uses that as another reason why I shouldnt question anything they do. I feel like I am expected to accept absolutely everything because their lives have been unsettled.

After yesterday I said to DH that he needs to actually parent them instead of defending everything they do. He said I knew he had children when I married him and that DS is needs to understand sharing anyway so why am I making it an issue. He has barely spoken to me since.

I dont want his boys sent away or made to feel unwanted, I really dont. But I am starting to dread being at home when they are all here and I feel awful even typing that. Am I being unreasonable to expect some basic manners and boundaries or do I need to accept that this is just how boys are and give them more time? And is DH right that our 2 year old needs to learn to share even when his brothers are taking things off him?

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OneHazelBird · Today 18:12

You need to lower your expectations but DH needs to actually parent, which means actual rules and boundaries.

Teens are hard work as any parent will tell you on here.
These poor boys have been moved around, not had a consistent physical dad in their life and has now been sent to live with a different family and had to change their entire culture and school and way of life.

But teens need rules - they literally struggle without them.
They will still rebel against them but in their minds no rules = you don’t care about them.

They are slagging off their new schools because they’re sad about the situation.
It is their way of coping.

It is up to DH to allow screen time but I would be reminding him that being involved with clubs will make them settle in faster and actually enjoy living with their dad.

Leave the parenting up to DH.

The only thing that I would absolutely not allow is snatching toys off DS.
There could be scope for jealousy here and that needs stamping out.
DS8 was the baby at his mums house and probably got the most attention but he’s not the baby at yours and he probably doesn’t have the bond that the older 2 have with each other.

Imisschampagne · Today 18:15

Debbi62 · Today 17:17

I'd take my son and leave him to it, see how he gets on with them on his own. Its not fair on you or you're son

This. Your partner is failing four kids. His three oldest by not parenting them and the little one by not protecting him.

i would try counselling and lay down joint house rules that he needs to enforce too. If he doesn’t agree or doesn’t do as promised, I would take the kid and leave. You need to protect your kid if his dad can’t be arsed to do it.

ThisCraftyAquaHedgehog · Today 18:15

I would suggest stop dealing with the behaviour itself and start to make changes to how the children feel. Their feelings and thoughts will be dictating the behaviours and unless you can change how they think and feel you will never change the behaviour.

What does the 15 year old like to do? Can his dad take him out, just him, once a week or so? Can you do the same? Make him feel wanted and loved (acting and lying is perfectly fine for now.)
Similar with the 13 year old. One on one time with something they enjoy will help a lot to build a relationship.

With the 8 year old, maybe more playing board games or doing crafts with just him, being clear the 2 year old is too young and so this is just for him. But also get him 'helping' with the 2 year old - perhaps building him a train track or a duplo building. Work with him to learn caring and kindness - his older brothers have taught him bullying - you need to teach him the opposite.

And absolutely sort out individual and family counselling for the older two especially. Find a babysitter for the younger ones and attend sessions with just your four.
There might be parenting classes in your LA as well - look them up for some mutual support from other parents. Always good to know others are being driven mad as well.

Hats off to you for taking them in, but you need support and help. Don't try to be a saint - no one is.
Best of luck.

BreezyClouds · Today 18:16

Patent Ng these 3 is dh issue so completely drop it. Screen time and issues in school are nothing to do with you, do not step into the role of mum, let dh sort it or not.

Their behaviour at home does effect you, but it's for dh to deal with. Decide on your boundaries, bullying ds and taking things out of your bag are unacceptable - does dh agree and if so what's he going to do about it?

If he will not intervene you need to leave. I'm sorry but you have to think of ds.

I do feel for them, it sounds like they've had a shit upbringing and lots of upheaval.

PrizedPickledPopcorn · Today 18:17

Maybeitllneverhappen · Today 18:11

Sorry, I'd get the hell out with my kid and tell him I might be back when the others have been trained .

Yes, me too. They need intensive parenting from a committed parent. I don’t think it will work while their dad isn’t stepping up.

Constantrunner · Today 18:18

They have been through a lot. I don't think you understand how much. Things like criticising the school are normal reactions for kids taken from schools they liked and we're settled in.
You are right they do need some boundaries, but it sounds like you are too punitive, and your DH is too soft.
Teenagers should be allowed to help themselves to food. Siblings do fight. You are used to two year olds and older children behave very differently, especially unhappy children and teenagers who have been through a lot.

You and DH need to be on the same page in terms of parenting them. You also need to make a real effort to have fun times with them and build a proper relationship

Roguegal · Today 18:19

I’m not going to say yabu or yanbu. But this is a classic step parent problem and no one on mumsnet is going to be able to solve it.

The boys don’t sound like very nice kids, but it does sound like they ve had a lot of upheaval and let me tell you teenagers can be an absolute nightmare even with the best of upbringings. Your husband needs to set some rules or at least try and make some house rules but it doesn’t sound like he’s willing to.

I don’t blame you for feeling fed up when you e got a small child and your homes been invaded by 3 older badly behaved boys, but they are your husbands children and therefore part of the package.

If he isn’t willing to parent them what can you do and what will he be like when your ds is older.

Thundertoast · Today 18:20

OP, if you googled 'definition of a disney dad' and sat down with him and said look, I appreciate you want them to settle in but I know you want to be a good dad and not make the classic mistakes and it isnt doing your kids any favours, lets talk about a plan moving forward on how to parent them - how would he react? Im hoping he would see you want to work together, otherwise I can imagine its making you a bit nervous about him parenting your DS through the same ages as the DSS. He might feel a bit confronted by the disney dad explanation but I think laying out that he's being a cliche might make something ring in his head long term, even if he's mad at you short term...

godmum56 · Today 18:21

VioletsTale · Today 17:12

I rarely say this, but if I were you, I’d say fuck it , take your little one and leave.
Your DH will never parent them in the way they need , so you have at least 10 more years of this, at best.

This

Roguegal · Today 18:22

Constantrunner · Today 18:18

They have been through a lot. I don't think you understand how much. Things like criticising the school are normal reactions for kids taken from schools they liked and we're settled in.
You are right they do need some boundaries, but it sounds like you are too punitive, and your DH is too soft.
Teenagers should be allowed to help themselves to food. Siblings do fight. You are used to two year olds and older children behave very differently, especially unhappy children and teenagers who have been through a lot.

You and DH need to be on the same page in terms of parenting them. You also need to make a real effort to have fun times with them and build a proper relationship

I do agree with this which is why it’s a classic stepparent situation.

Op is used to a baby suddenly these 3 older boys come along, they had been through a lot, 2 of them are teenagers, they’re not her own dc so she will naturally be less tolerant, she isn’t used to older dc.

But the husband needs to set some rules and boundaries.

mybiggreenfrog · Today 18:23

It isn't going to work ... because of your husband. You will end up leaving.

Empress13 · Today 18:24

I really don’t think this situation is going to get better unless your DH grows a pair and starts to parent his kids correctly. This is his issue to sort and not yours. Why doesn’t their mum want them? Is she married got other kids? How must they be feeling knowing that not only were they abandoned by their father for all those years but now abandoned by their mother as well!

Anyusernamewilldo8963 · Today 18:24

I've been you, unless your DH decides to be their parent instead of their mate it will only get worse. You need to agree on basic boundaries and house rules that you both enforce, if DH can't or won't do this then you need to plan your exit. I get this sounds dramatic but trust me as someone who has been there if he doesn't step up you'll have no choice but to step out for your sanity and for the sake of your younger child

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · Today 18:26

This may sound unkind, but why are you believing these three when they tell you their mum let them do this, that and the other? It's absolutely classic lying by children who have found out they can divide and conquer, and go from one parent to the other claiming to the second that the first said they could do whatever it is they have a whim for that day. It happens even in families where the parents have lived together and parented together for the whole of the child's life; they still try it on. "Oh but mummy said I can stay up to watch x programme" "oh but daddy said I can have icecream after school" and so on and so on.

And when one of the parents is not in the country and cannot be swiftly called to check "Hey Ian, did you say little Jilly can watch x programme?", it's really hard to be sure what in fact the child has been allowed or promised. And what's more, the parent who is not living in the same place for whatever reason may also lie in order to seem like the good guy.

TheBlueKoala · Today 18:27

@Emilyelite Teens are hard work in general. Teens that have been unsettled and have not lived with their father will be even harder work. Problem is your dh doesn't want to take responsability and put in rules and boundaries. Yet it is widely known that kids NEED boundaries as much ad they need to feel loved. To take a laxist stand and let them do whatever doesn't show that he loves them- it just proves that he's lazy.

I'm sorry but since you have a young child I think I wouldn't stay in this shitshow. They will just become more and more feral as teens push boundaries and there are none thanks to your spineless dh. I would want to protect MY child and take him away from this unhealthy environment.

seahorsessky · Today 18:27

Obviously a lot has gone on, and quite rightly you probably don't want want to share everything, but these kids have been badly let down by at least one of their parents (not sure which one broke up the family, or if both are responsible for the lives that led to this). But they're going to grow up to destroy a lot of other lives if something isn't done.

ExtraHotDoubleShot · Today 18:30

Honestly I would move out and get a small flat with DS. I appreciate the DSS need to stay with your husband but I wouldn’t want any responsibility in any of it. Your son needs a peaceful home, this sounds like carnage.

oncemoreuntothebeachdearfriends · Today 18:31

Move out - for the sake of DS as well as yourself.

Glidinglikeaswan · Today 18:33

VioletsTale · Today 17:12

I rarely say this, but if I were you, I’d say fuck it , take your little one and leave.
Your DH will never parent them in the way they need , so you have at least 10 more years of this, at best.

Came on to say just this.

HelloCaller · Today 18:34

How long have they been with you full time?

thepariscrimefiles · Today 18:35

JLou08 · Today 17:48

They sound hard work but you also sound dramatic. He took a car from your 3 year old and you worrying about him "sobbing" and talking about them seriously hurting him is OTT. There's nothing to say they will seriously hurt your child. A 3 year old does need to learn to share and then being upset is just them communicating their frustration, he's not going to be emotionally harmed by someone taking his car off him and he is at an age where he needs to start learning to communicate with his words rather than crying.

He's 2, not 3. He probably can't properly articulate why he is distressed just yet. Crying when upset is very normal for a 2 year old. He now lives in a house with three other children who aren't being kind to him. He must find it very overwhelming.

Greenfingers37 · Today 18:39

Your husband is the problem here. He needs to grow a pair.

grinandslothit · Today 18:41

Sounds like your DH is just expecting you to get on with it so he can go back to being mostly single doing what he wants and letting you do everything.

As for the 8-year-old taking a toy off a 2-year-old there's at no point that an 8-year-old needs to be playing with a 2 year old's toy and a 2 year old does not have to share with an 8-year-old. He is just doing it to be mean to the 2-year-old and that's really not acceptable.

Your DH knew his children were being carted around by his ex-wife but he took the easy way out of just paying child support and seeing them a few times a year because he didn't actually want to do the hard part of filing for custody and then parenting himself.

That is just who he is and nothing will change that

Only you can decide if you want to put up with it or not. Are you working at all outside of the home?

Jamlighter · Today 18:41

I sugggest you move this to the step prenting board where you will get people who actually understand your predicament .
I also suggest you leave. This is not going to get better as they get bigger and 'D'H continues to pander to them so they like him. If he won't even discuss implementing basic rules and enforcement you are onto a losing battle. Protect your little one.

amylou8 · Today 18:42

It sounds like the boys have had a rough time, and you can understand why they are acting up, but the time to establish the ground rules is now. Once they've settled in it will be too late.
Personally unless DH got a grip on this pretty quick, and it doesn't sound like he plans to, I'd be leaving.

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