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To think my DSS are completely out of control

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Emilyelite · Today 16:57

I’ve been putting off posting this because I know how stepmothers get talked about on here but honestly I am at the end of my tether and DH is now not speaking to me so here goes.

I have a 2 year old DS with my husband and he has 3 boys from his previous marriage, 15, 13 and 8. They have recently come to live with us full time after living abroad with their mum for years. They used to see their dad mainly in the school holidays. I knew it would be a massive adjustment but I genuinely dont think DH realised how much would change having them here all the time.

Their mum has moved around a lot over the years, different countries, different schools etc. I am not saying she is a bad mum as I dont know the full story and I wasnt there, but from what the boys have told us they had pretty much unlimited screen time, could stay up watching things and eat in their rooms. Getting them off devices now is a battle every single day. DH says they have had enough upheaval and we need to be patient which I do understand but there still has to be some rules surely.

The older two are the worst for attitude. They have started at the local secondary and apparently think it is beneath them. DSS1 has said the other kids are thick and common and asked why he has to go to a school like this when he used to go to a much better one. DSS2 joins in with this sort of thing and they have both already been in trouble for being rude to teachers and disrupting lessons. We cannot afford private school for 3 children, not that I think they should get to look down on everyone else anyway.

At home they just seem to take whatever they want and expect everyone else to sort it out. Food, chargers, things out of my bag, it doesnt matter. If I say something I get told their dad lets them do it or that I am not their mum. DH says I need to stop turning everything into an argument and they are settling in.

The biggest issue at the moment is DSS3 and DS. The 8 year old is constantly snatching things from him. DS will be happily playing with a toy and DSS3 will just take it out of his hands, then laugh when he cries or run off with it. Yesterday he took his favourite little car while DS was playing with it and DS was absolutely sobbing. I told DSS3 to give it back and he started shouting that it was his house too and he could have what he wanted. I know he is only 8 but he is old enough to understand that you dont just grab things off a toddler and laugh at them.

DH came in and told me I was making a fuss over nothing. He said DS needs to learn to share and cannot expect to have everything to himself just because he is the baby. I said sharing is not the same as having things ripped out of your hands and that if DS was doing it to his brothers I would tell him off as well. DH said his boys have had a difficult childhood, have been dragged around different countries and missed having their dad around every day and I should have a bit more compassion.

I do have compassion. I know they have been through a lot and I am not expecting them to suddenly be perfectly behaved children. But apparently every single thing they do is because of their childhood and if I dare say anything I am the wicked stepmother. They can be really nasty to each other as well, pushing and hitting when they get wound up, and DH just calls it being boisterous boys. I have asked him what happens when school starts calling every week or one of them seriously hurts DS and he says I am being dramatic.

There is also a language thing because they have lived in different countries and sometimes switch languages between themselves. I dont mind that at all and I know they have had to adapt to different places, but sometimes DH uses that as another reason why I shouldnt question anything they do. I feel like I am expected to accept absolutely everything because their lives have been unsettled.

After yesterday I said to DH that he needs to actually parent them instead of defending everything they do. He said I knew he had children when I married him and that DS is needs to understand sharing anyway so why am I making it an issue. He has barely spoken to me since.

I dont want his boys sent away or made to feel unwanted, I really dont. But I am starting to dread being at home when they are all here and I feel awful even typing that. Am I being unreasonable to expect some basic manners and boundaries or do I need to accept that this is just how boys are and give them more time? And is DH right that our 2 year old needs to learn to share even when his brothers are taking things off him?

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OneoftheWeddingPeople · Today 17:38

I cannot imagine the hell of living with 3 poorly parented teenagers who are not my own. It’s challenging enough with teens when they are your own and generally lovely.

I would frankly rather be single.

DoubleBusy2026 · Today 17:40

Yeah unless you can acquire a lobotomy for your H, to change his entire personality and approach to ‘parenting’, then I’d take my baby and leave. He’s not the one….

Stompythedinosaur · Today 17:42

Well, two things can be true. The dss have been through a lot, and not living with their dm is a huge change for them. But, I agree with you that the household has to be able to function and they need to show basic kindness and consideration.

You sound very blaming of their dm's parenting, but their df has also failed to parent them well. I realize that's maybe harder to look at when he's your partner, but it's the truth.

Ultimately, if your dh doesn't want you to parent the dsses, he will have to be there all the time and not leave them with you. Then you can ask him to deal with every instance of unkind behaviour or breaking normal boundaries.

The truth is, I doubt this will get better, and for me there would be a limit as to how long I would allow my ds to be bullied.

DoubleBusy2026 · Today 17:44

Also, d take your husband’s car out without his permission and rag it around like it’s stolen until the tank is empty and when he kicks off, tell him he’s got to learn to SHARE! Just like the baby…..

Oh but that’s different of course, only kids have to be forced to share, don’t they?

DoubleBusy2026 · Today 17:44

Also, I’d take your husband’s car out without his permission and rag it around like it’s stolen until the tank is empty and when he kicks off, tell him he’s got to learn to SHARE! Just like the baby…..

Oh but that’s different of course, only kids have to be forced to share, don’t they?

cartagenagina · Today 17:45

VioletsTale · Today 17:12

I rarely say this, but if I were you, I’d say fuck it , take your little one and leave.
Your DH will never parent them in the way they need , so you have at least 10 more years of this, at best.

I agree. I wouldn’t want my child living like this.

Gabitule · Today 17:47

TheJoyousHiker · Today 17:15

I’d say stop parenting your step-children until your DH steps up. Don’t do anything - no solo care, laundry, dropping/collecting, etc. Go out and about with your own DS, if your DSS is mean to your DS, take your DS and yourself to another room. Get a lock your bedroom door and keep your bag/charger, etc there. Or better still, move out with your DS and leave them to it.

This is what I would do. Until your DH starts implementing some boundaries I would act as if the kids are invisible. I have a lot of compassion for the boys but I have a lot more for you, I would be incredibly stressed having to live in that environment. And yes, you did know your DH had 3 children when you met him, but you didn’t know that the children would live with him full time.
Everyone expects people who have relationships with someone who has children to fully adapt, but nobody seems to expect the parents to also adapt, to make more efforts to be both good parents but also good partners.

user9764325677 · Today 17:47

I think you and your husband are both right. They must be so unsettled and I feel really sorry for ioi. . We have no idea if they chose to come to you or why they are there, but it seems pretty obvious they weren’t happy and thriving. They have had an absent father, and an inconsistent lifestyle and they must be all over the place. That usually comes out in teens as disruption.

They need some boundaries, but you’re not going to achieve that by putting in loads of new rules that make no sense to them. This isn’t the same as parenting children you have brought up yourself, and it sounds and though you aren’t used to teens. I would work out with your husband some simple and basic rules, e.g. meals with us at x time x no of days a week, and any food in rooms must be cleared up. Then you can gradually introduce more guidance, once you’ve established good relationships. The most important thing is you and your husband have to be consistent between you.

the other thing I would do is prioritise building a relationship with them over putting in rules. They will respond much better to you if you do that, and it will start to heal the pain they must be in.

I’d also be talking to school about how you can all
work together to support them, instead of waiting for school to talk to you.

Emilyelite · Today 17:48

Stompythedinosaur · Today 17:42

Well, two things can be true. The dss have been through a lot, and not living with their dm is a huge change for them. But, I agree with you that the household has to be able to function and they need to show basic kindness and consideration.

You sound very blaming of their dm's parenting, but their df has also failed to parent them well. I realize that's maybe harder to look at when he's your partner, but it's the truth.

Ultimately, if your dh doesn't want you to parent the dsses, he will have to be there all the time and not leave them with you. Then you can ask him to deal with every instance of unkind behaviour or breaking normal boundaries.

The truth is, I doubt this will get better, and for me there would be a limit as to how long I would allow my ds to be bullied.

Im not blaming their mum for everything, I know DH has responsibility for how things are now as well and im not saying he has done everything right. But they have basically had no boundaries around a lot of things and its making the adjustment here even harder. I do think DH is being a bit soft on them because he wants them to bond with him and feel at home if that makes sense. He feels guilty about not having them living with him all those years and I think he is scared that if he starts laying down rules they will resent him or want to go back to their mum. Obviously they would probably rather be with her full time if it meant they could carry on doing whatever they wanted, and I think he worries about that more than he admits.

I am not expecting him to suddenly come down on them like a ton of bricks or anything, they have had enough changes and I get that. But surely there is a middle ground between being strict about everything and letting them get away with whatever they want? I dont want them to feel like outsiders in our house, they live here now and I want them to settle, but DS lives here too and I dont think its fair that he has to put up with being upset because nobody wants to tell his brothers no.

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JLou08 · Today 17:48

They sound hard work but you also sound dramatic. He took a car from your 3 year old and you worrying about him "sobbing" and talking about them seriously hurting him is OTT. There's nothing to say they will seriously hurt your child. A 3 year old does need to learn to share and then being upset is just them communicating their frustration, he's not going to be emotionally harmed by someone taking his car off him and he is at an age where he needs to start learning to communicate with his words rather than crying.

rainbowstardrops · Today 17:49

I appreciate the step children have been through a lot but that doesn’t excuse your husband of not making secure boundaries and expectations.
I’m not sure I could stand living with him, let alone his children.
What’s the housing situation at the moment?

FusionChefGeoff · Today 17:52

I’d say you need a united front and a bit of a reset.

Kids need boundaries to feel safe - even more so when they’ve had chaotic lives with no boundaries!!! Can you speak to DH in a calm moment and explain how boundaries help kids and the consequences of not having any?? They will kick back at first of course they will - but having a clear set of expectations and a clear and consistent consequence is your route through this.

Can you sit down with DH and try to find common ground to agree a set of house rules. And agree between you what is an appropriate reaction / response from the adult who is dealing with rule breaking.

And then sit with the boys and try to get them involved with at least some of the ‘easier’ ones so give them some input / choices and between you all come up with the rules and the consequences.

fridgefullofplums · Today 17:52

You need to sit down with your DH and agree the house rules for your family - and you both need to agree to back each other up. After that you need to have a family meeting and go through the rules calmly, with the whole family. Try and carve out some time to give each child some one to one time, on a regular basis. This is going to take time - but you have to be on the same page. You need to make that clear to your DH.

Supporting2026 · Today 17:56

I would focus on agreeing a set of rules and expecting your DH to deliver those rules extreme clearly, not you. Things that seem obvious to me (a) don’t pick on DS, he’s much littler and it’s absolutely unacceptable to be mean to a 2 year old and agree consequences for breaking that (that means you need to be willing to step in if said 2 year old does what any 2 year old would and takes their stuff), (b) agreed limits to the violence between them and consequences for breaking them, (c) it is unacceptable to go through your private items. Things like eating junk, screen time etc I think you’ve already lost the battle there so have to an extent to accept but I’d try to put social limits on it eg there is a snack drawer but they can’t take items from the rest of the cupboards, they have to sit at dinner even if they don’t eat and not use their screens during it, they have to be in their rooms at a certain time eg 10pm even if it’s not bedtime. I’d tell my DH it’s that or you move out whilst he works it out.

YourJoyousDenimExpert · Today 17:59

You are in a very hard situation as the DSSs do not sound likeable at all. Either they accept you are in a parental role and you do things like run them around, buy and prepare food, do laundry…. Or they don’t and you have to leave it all to your useless sounding DH.

I would not be tolerating his silence and poor treatment of you and your son - If he doesn’t apologise, get your ducks in a row and prepare to leave him to the mess he is perpetuating.

Jellycatspyjamas · Today 17:59

Emilyelite · Today 17:48

Im not blaming their mum for everything, I know DH has responsibility for how things are now as well and im not saying he has done everything right. But they have basically had no boundaries around a lot of things and its making the adjustment here even harder. I do think DH is being a bit soft on them because he wants them to bond with him and feel at home if that makes sense. He feels guilty about not having them living with him all those years and I think he is scared that if he starts laying down rules they will resent him or want to go back to their mum. Obviously they would probably rather be with her full time if it meant they could carry on doing whatever they wanted, and I think he worries about that more than he admits.

I am not expecting him to suddenly come down on them like a ton of bricks or anything, they have had enough changes and I get that. But surely there is a middle ground between being strict about everything and letting them get away with whatever they want? I dont want them to feel like outsiders in our house, they live here now and I want them to settle, but DS lives here too and I dont think its fair that he has to put up with being upset because nobody wants to tell his brothers no.

They may want to be with their mum because they love her? They may feel very rejected being sent to live with their dad? What choice did they have about the living arrangements and who sat down and explained the ground rules to them - or did you both wait until they started living with you and expect them to somehow understand you don’t want food in bedrooms, or that they need to let you know there’s no whatever left?

What discussions did you and your DH have before they came to live with you about how they’d settle in and transition to a new country, school, language, sibling and step parent? What discussions did you have with their mum about routines and daily living?

If you’ve both laid no groundwork, it’s hardly surprising they’re acting out. They’re teenage boys, they won’t want to change so getting them to adjust to being passed from
pillar to post was never going to be easy.

What do you want to do here - you can either leave or roll your sleeves up, with your DH.

AnneLovesGilbert · Today 18:00

My youngest is 3 and I’d rather live in my car than force him to live with 3 pretty much feral boys like your step sons. I’m sure there are good reasons for their behaviour but your husband is fully in denial and clearly won’t do anything but make excuses for them so I’d be doing everything I could to get myself and my son away from the whole mess now before wasting more time being stressed and miserable.

Pinadaqx2 · Today 18:00

Emilyelite · Today 17:34

Their mum was moving around for work and relationships, that was her choice when they split and the youngest was a baby. From what the boys have said she seemed to let them do what they wanted a lot of the time, eat whatever they wanted, unlimited screentime etc. I dont know everything that went on in their house and im not saying she never looked after them properly, but this is what they have told us. DH didnt just forget about his children though, they came here for holidays but obviously they had school and couldnt just come over whenever they wanted. We arent made of money and he couldnt afford to keep flying out to see them all the time on top of working and everything else. Their mum actually asked me and DH to have them here, it wasnt us deciding to take them away from her. I do think they miss her and im not pretending moving here has been easy for them.

I know teenagers are hard work, honestly I do, and I expect attitude and arguments and all that. Its not that they arent allowed food, of course they are, but they will constantly be going into cupboards and taking packets of stuff and then eating it all in their bedrooms, refusing dinner or anything decent when its made because theyve already filled themselves up on rubbish.

What did the kids want though? It seems no proper plan was put in place here. Sounds like a difficult situation all round. You cant just send kids off like some sort of commodity.

Emilyelite · Today 18:01

JLou08 · Today 17:48

They sound hard work but you also sound dramatic. He took a car from your 3 year old and you worrying about him "sobbing" and talking about them seriously hurting him is OTT. There's nothing to say they will seriously hurt your child. A 3 year old does need to learn to share and then being upset is just them communicating their frustration, he's not going to be emotionally harmed by someone taking his car off him and he is at an age where he needs to start learning to communicate with his words rather than crying.

Hes not 3, he literally turned 2 last month! I dont expect him to be able to calmly explain his feelings when an 8 year old snatches something out of his hands and laughs at him for crying. I know children cry, obviously, and im not saying he is going to be emotionally damaged for life over a toy car 🙄 its the whole thing of it happening constantly and DH acting like the older boys can do no wrong.

The boys are really aggressive with each other as well, hitting, grabbing, shoving and swearing at each other when they get wound up. Its not just normal sibling bickering over a toy, they can get properly physical and DH just tells them to pack it in without actually dealing with it. So yes I am concerned about a 2 year old being around that, especially when DSS3 is already taking things off him and laughing when he cries. Im not saying they are definitely going to seriously hurt him but is it really that unreasonable to want DH to take it seriously before something does happen? And I never said DS should never have to share, I said there is a difference between teaching a toddler to share and letting an 8 year old repeatedly snatch things from him. Apparently that makes me dramatic.

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VioletsTale · Today 18:02

Emilyelite · Today 17:48

Im not blaming their mum for everything, I know DH has responsibility for how things are now as well and im not saying he has done everything right. But they have basically had no boundaries around a lot of things and its making the adjustment here even harder. I do think DH is being a bit soft on them because he wants them to bond with him and feel at home if that makes sense. He feels guilty about not having them living with him all those years and I think he is scared that if he starts laying down rules they will resent him or want to go back to their mum. Obviously they would probably rather be with her full time if it meant they could carry on doing whatever they wanted, and I think he worries about that more than he admits.

I am not expecting him to suddenly come down on them like a ton of bricks or anything, they have had enough changes and I get that. But surely there is a middle ground between being strict about everything and letting them get away with whatever they want? I dont want them to feel like outsiders in our house, they live here now and I want them to settle, but DS lives here too and I dont think its fair that he has to put up with being upset because nobody wants to tell his brothers no.

How come their mum decided it was time for them to live with their dad?

Pinadaqx2 · Today 18:03

AnneLovesGilbert · Today 18:00

My youngest is 3 and I’d rather live in my car than force him to live with 3 pretty much feral boys like your step sons. I’m sure there are good reasons for their behaviour but your husband is fully in denial and clearly won’t do anything but make excuses for them so I’d be doing everything I could to get myself and my son away from the whole mess now before wasting more time being stressed and miserable.

Comments like this are not helping. OP is yet to update of if the children even want to be living in her house. Its not fair on them and it seems a shock for all. Imagine your mother just packing you off!

I think you are massively jumping the gun without enough info.

arethereanyleftatall · Today 18:03

life would obviously be far more pleasant for you and your little boy if you left.

im afraid i struggle to have sympathy with situations like this. You keep saying she is a bad parent as if it’s a slur on just her. But HE KNEW, and you did, that they were being parented awfully, and rather than get off his arse and get full custody of his children, he let her get on with all the hard work and then slagged her off if she didn’t do it right. You two probably had a jolly nice time dating without a care in the world sounds like for years. So, you knew he was an utterly terrible father, and had a child with him anyway.

AllTheChicken · Today 18:08

You have a dh problem. Settling does not mean cart blanche to do as they please. They need support, structure and firm boundaries. I would take what the teenagers are saying about what mum allowed with a bucketful of salt. I work with teenagers and it can be amazing hearing the stories they come out with at times. Is dh struggling with them being around as well and pushing the blame onto you, or had he always been a bit of a crappy parent?

I hate to say it, but I would be having serious thoughts about the relationship if he is willing to let one of his sons bully his youngest one

ElanaohElana · Today 18:09

In situations like this I’m not sure step parenting advice is very helpful. It sounds like your DSS have essentially had quite a neglected childhood and I think joining a kinship carer Facebook group might be more helpful. They likely feel incredibly wobbly, anxious and jealous of their brother who has a mum and dad who is there every day. That doesn’t mean there are no boundaries but it does mean that as much as they need boundaries they need a sense of safety and love 200x more. They need it over and over. This has to happen in parallel with boundaries. I wouldn’t be attempting this without professional support for them and you. Wishing all of you all the best as you seek some healing for these kids whilst also keeping your DS safe and happy too.

Maybeitllneverhappen · Today 18:11

Sorry, I'd get the hell out with my kid and tell him I might be back when the others have been trained .