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To think my DSS are completely out of control

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Emilyelite · Today 16:57

I’ve been putting off posting this because I know how stepmothers get talked about on here but honestly I am at the end of my tether and DH is now not speaking to me so here goes.

I have a 2 year old DS with my husband and he has 3 boys from his previous marriage, 15, 13 and 8. They have recently come to live with us full time after living abroad with their mum for years. They used to see their dad mainly in the school holidays. I knew it would be a massive adjustment but I genuinely dont think DH realised how much would change having them here all the time.

Their mum has moved around a lot over the years, different countries, different schools etc. I am not saying she is a bad mum as I dont know the full story and I wasnt there, but from what the boys have told us they had pretty much unlimited screen time, could stay up watching things and eat in their rooms. Getting them off devices now is a battle every single day. DH says they have had enough upheaval and we need to be patient which I do understand but there still has to be some rules surely.

The older two are the worst for attitude. They have started at the local secondary and apparently think it is beneath them. DSS1 has said the other kids are thick and common and asked why he has to go to a school like this when he used to go to a much better one. DSS2 joins in with this sort of thing and they have both already been in trouble for being rude to teachers and disrupting lessons. We cannot afford private school for 3 children, not that I think they should get to look down on everyone else anyway.

At home they just seem to take whatever they want and expect everyone else to sort it out. Food, chargers, things out of my bag, it doesnt matter. If I say something I get told their dad lets them do it or that I am not their mum. DH says I need to stop turning everything into an argument and they are settling in.

The biggest issue at the moment is DSS3 and DS. The 8 year old is constantly snatching things from him. DS will be happily playing with a toy and DSS3 will just take it out of his hands, then laugh when he cries or run off with it. Yesterday he took his favourite little car while DS was playing with it and DS was absolutely sobbing. I told DSS3 to give it back and he started shouting that it was his house too and he could have what he wanted. I know he is only 8 but he is old enough to understand that you dont just grab things off a toddler and laugh at them.

DH came in and told me I was making a fuss over nothing. He said DS needs to learn to share and cannot expect to have everything to himself just because he is the baby. I said sharing is not the same as having things ripped out of your hands and that if DS was doing it to his brothers I would tell him off as well. DH said his boys have had a difficult childhood, have been dragged around different countries and missed having their dad around every day and I should have a bit more compassion.

I do have compassion. I know they have been through a lot and I am not expecting them to suddenly be perfectly behaved children. But apparently every single thing they do is because of their childhood and if I dare say anything I am the wicked stepmother. They can be really nasty to each other as well, pushing and hitting when they get wound up, and DH just calls it being boisterous boys. I have asked him what happens when school starts calling every week or one of them seriously hurts DS and he says I am being dramatic.

There is also a language thing because they have lived in different countries and sometimes switch languages between themselves. I dont mind that at all and I know they have had to adapt to different places, but sometimes DH uses that as another reason why I shouldnt question anything they do. I feel like I am expected to accept absolutely everything because their lives have been unsettled.

After yesterday I said to DH that he needs to actually parent them instead of defending everything they do. He said I knew he had children when I married him and that DS is needs to understand sharing anyway so why am I making it an issue. He has barely spoken to me since.

I dont want his boys sent away or made to feel unwanted, I really dont. But I am starting to dread being at home when they are all here and I feel awful even typing that. Am I being unreasonable to expect some basic manners and boundaries or do I need to accept that this is just how boys are and give them more time? And is DH right that our 2 year old needs to learn to share even when his brothers are taking things off him?

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MaggiesShadow · Today 19:48

@Emilyelite there is absolutely no point in anyone here giving you advice about what they need, or what should happen with them because your DH is a dick and unwilling to do it.

In my experience, both professionally and personally, men like your "d"h DO NOT CHANGE.

I know it's easy to jump to LTB when it's an online forum but I honestly, genuinely would leave. You could even say it's a trial run if you want. But there is no way in hell I'd be sitting around watching my life and that of my child deteriorate because a grown fucking man can't parent his own children.

Parents like him are the reason boys like the Cornell 57 exist. That probably sounds outrageous but it is a systemic problem with boy parents and it is getting worse.

Newyearawaits · Today 19:49

Bufftailed · Today 17:15

Sounds v difficult, but v early days.

Helping yourself to food/ chargers is normal in your own home. They are just treating it as home.

This 100pc and they appear to have had a lot of instability in the past.
Teenagers can be difficult and stroppy at the best of times.
It's a massive adjustment for you OP. Remember they are your son's brothers and you are all family.
You need to change your mindset and give this time. I am not being insensitive but this comes with the territory of blended families /family dynamics.
Take care OP

Newyearawaits · Today 19:52

Diamond7272 · Today 18:46

This. Entirely.

These kids aren't your problem. It's a massive upheaval to your life, not a hugely pleasant one, with no benefits to you.

I'd leave. Arrange financials with him and sail away from 10 to 15 years of grief which will get worse and worse if this man does nothing.

All 'his' problems associated with a messy life have suddenly become your problems... Nah, I'd be off.

But the kids are OP's husbands and come in the deal.
OP married a divorced man with 3 young children whose lives have been disrupted big time.
What was OP expecting?
Fairy tales and perfect children?

Duncantoldme2 · Today 19:53

VioletsTale · Today 17:12

I rarely say this, but if I were you, I’d say fuck it , take your little one and leave.
Your DH will never parent them in the way they need , so you have at least 10 more years of this, at best.

I'm afraid I agree with this.

rosagarten · Today 19:56

Emilyelite · Today 16:57

I’ve been putting off posting this because I know how stepmothers get talked about on here but honestly I am at the end of my tether and DH is now not speaking to me so here goes.

I have a 2 year old DS with my husband and he has 3 boys from his previous marriage, 15, 13 and 8. They have recently come to live with us full time after living abroad with their mum for years. They used to see their dad mainly in the school holidays. I knew it would be a massive adjustment but I genuinely dont think DH realised how much would change having them here all the time.

Their mum has moved around a lot over the years, different countries, different schools etc. I am not saying she is a bad mum as I dont know the full story and I wasnt there, but from what the boys have told us they had pretty much unlimited screen time, could stay up watching things and eat in their rooms. Getting them off devices now is a battle every single day. DH says they have had enough upheaval and we need to be patient which I do understand but there still has to be some rules surely.

The older two are the worst for attitude. They have started at the local secondary and apparently think it is beneath them. DSS1 has said the other kids are thick and common and asked why he has to go to a school like this when he used to go to a much better one. DSS2 joins in with this sort of thing and they have both already been in trouble for being rude to teachers and disrupting lessons. We cannot afford private school for 3 children, not that I think they should get to look down on everyone else anyway.

At home they just seem to take whatever they want and expect everyone else to sort it out. Food, chargers, things out of my bag, it doesnt matter. If I say something I get told their dad lets them do it or that I am not their mum. DH says I need to stop turning everything into an argument and they are settling in.

The biggest issue at the moment is DSS3 and DS. The 8 year old is constantly snatching things from him. DS will be happily playing with a toy and DSS3 will just take it out of his hands, then laugh when he cries or run off with it. Yesterday he took his favourite little car while DS was playing with it and DS was absolutely sobbing. I told DSS3 to give it back and he started shouting that it was his house too and he could have what he wanted. I know he is only 8 but he is old enough to understand that you dont just grab things off a toddler and laugh at them.

DH came in and told me I was making a fuss over nothing. He said DS needs to learn to share and cannot expect to have everything to himself just because he is the baby. I said sharing is not the same as having things ripped out of your hands and that if DS was doing it to his brothers I would tell him off as well. DH said his boys have had a difficult childhood, have been dragged around different countries and missed having their dad around every day and I should have a bit more compassion.

I do have compassion. I know they have been through a lot and I am not expecting them to suddenly be perfectly behaved children. But apparently every single thing they do is because of their childhood and if I dare say anything I am the wicked stepmother. They can be really nasty to each other as well, pushing and hitting when they get wound up, and DH just calls it being boisterous boys. I have asked him what happens when school starts calling every week or one of them seriously hurts DS and he says I am being dramatic.

There is also a language thing because they have lived in different countries and sometimes switch languages between themselves. I dont mind that at all and I know they have had to adapt to different places, but sometimes DH uses that as another reason why I shouldnt question anything they do. I feel like I am expected to accept absolutely everything because their lives have been unsettled.

After yesterday I said to DH that he needs to actually parent them instead of defending everything they do. He said I knew he had children when I married him and that DS is needs to understand sharing anyway so why am I making it an issue. He has barely spoken to me since.

I dont want his boys sent away or made to feel unwanted, I really dont. But I am starting to dread being at home when they are all here and I feel awful even typing that. Am I being unreasonable to expect some basic manners and boundaries or do I need to accept that this is just how boys are and give them more time? And is DH right that our 2 year old needs to learn to share even when his brothers are taking things off him?

As a minimum I'd get a lock on your bedroom door, lockable from the outside and from the inside. You need somewhere that is yours. I can't help you with the rest because it is outside my experience but I know that I always need somewhere that is private/mine/safe. If I have workmen in the house, I lock my bedroom door. I know the vast majority have no interest in rootling around in areas of the house they aren't working in but my trusting younger self was burned in flat shares so I'd take no chances. This sounds like a difficult situation. I hope it works out Okay.

SumptuousPecanNougat · Today 19:56

Good grief. I think I'd rather split than live with his three older sons whom your husband can't be bothered to parent or discipline.

I'd be letting him know that you're considering all your options if the two of you can't get on the same page soon.

MaggiesShadow · Today 19:57

Newyearawaits · Today 19:49

This 100pc and they appear to have had a lot of instability in the past.
Teenagers can be difficult and stroppy at the best of times.
It's a massive adjustment for you OP. Remember they are your son's brothers and you are all family.
You need to change your mindset and give this time. I am not being insensitive but this comes with the territory of blended families /family dynamics.
Take care OP

Going through her back is not normal behaviour for decent people, regardless of age.

Neverpissoffapoet · Today 19:57

danniT2 · Today 19:45

Yanbu at all. What a massive upheaval to your life and theirs. What are the circumstances that led to them coming to live with you? Did they want it? They do sound very arrogant and entitled. The bullying of your child is totally unacceptable. But they are kids ultimately and there isn’t much chance of them going anywhere so either your dh steps up and puts boundaries in place or i’m afraid you either have to move out with your ds or suck it up. You are in a shit position here having to live with this but also apparently not good enough to set rules for them. Sympathies.

Also no point of the ‘where was their dad when they were being moved about’ - we know nothing of the history and he is stepping up now. But he needs to actually parent not let them get away with murder just because they’ve had a difficult few years.

There’s every point to asking what the DH was doing when his 3 eldest sons were being dragged around different countries. His lack of care and concern in the past is the best indicator of his character and how he is likely to conduct himself going forward. He’s already showing the OP that he doesn’t have her back ( giving her the silent treatment rather than listening to and appreciating her concerns and co parenting like an adult) and that he’s a shit parent to OP’s child with him (allowing his 8 year old to bully his 2 year old without consequences ); and ultimately, the only one of them the OP can do anything about and try to protect from this shit man’s shit parenting is her own. By leaving.

Diamond7272 · Today 19:57

Newyearawaits · Today 19:52

But the kids are OP's husbands and come in the deal.
OP married a divorced man with 3 young children whose lives have been disrupted big time.
What was OP expecting?
Fairy tales and perfect children?

I think the OP expected the 3 children to continue to be raised abroad by their mother....

Not this shit show.

She accepted he'd be poor having to pay for 3 other children. She didn't realise she'd be poor and would also have to raise these 3 children, who, in reality are strangers to her.

She can walk away. No ones died. Their mother is out there. As is their father... She's irrelevant to the 3 children...

My vote is take what money she's entitled to and go.

There are problems in this world that we can't deal with. This is one she can...

He's the loser/bum in this scanrio anyway, so the OP shouldn't think twice or look back once... "see ya!"

Summerlovingtheraspberries · Today 19:58

I couldn’t stand to live like this.

Blindinglybaffled · Today 19:59

On God, this sounds utterly miserable. I think you have 2 choices - explain to Dh that he needs to step up, take control and parent and has 3 months to effect change or you’ll need to move on, or move out now and tell him it’s fixable if he can do the above. Both are pretty shitty options for you, sorry. But on the flip side living in the current environment sounds untenable (well, would be for me).

Onthemaintrunkline · Today 20:02

I sympathize with your situation, you’ve 3 boys who’s lives haven’t been stable and here they are put in another situation with Dad, step-mum, little half brother, new home, school, it’s a lot. All this does not and I repeat does not ok their various behaviors, they sound, collectively and singly very hard work, I do feel for you, especially with a weak willyed father. Your h is the kingpin here, he’s the one who should and needs to show these boys what is acceptable and what’s not, AND he needs to stand behind you when you attempt to parent them!

My other concern, and this is a real concern, is that your 2 year old is seeing his step-brothers anti social behaviour, and how long before he begins mirroring what he’s seeing?

I’m feeling for you, you’ve a mountain to climb without a climbing buddy. I do wish you all the luck in the world.

Sobriety78 · Today 20:02

Massive emotional support hug first of all. Yes the kids have had a massive upheaval but so have you.
Its an adjustment for the entire household rather than just the 3 of them and DH needs smacking around the head with that fact.
I'd be making it plainly clear to him that this was OUR house and rules should be OUR decision. If he wants to be solely in charge of rules he needs to take sole chage of ALL care, feeding them, ferrying them, the grocery shop, the laundry, clothes shopping, school issues, doctors appointments, cleaning up after them, the whole shebang. You're either a parental figure or you arent there are no part measures.
Hope things improve for you.

IsitaHatOrACat · Today 20:03

Good grief. These poor children. And one is only 8 for goodness sake! They've had their lives completely uprooted.
I don't think putting a lock on a bedroom door is going to help the situation. Likewise with walking out.
Your 2 year old will a teenager one day and will push boundaries, eat in his room, eat more food than you thought possible and generally test your patience.
Get some family counselling for all of you and individual counselling for the children

Diamond7272 · Today 20:04

Onthemaintrunkline · Today 20:02

I sympathize with your situation, you’ve 3 boys who’s lives haven’t been stable and here they are put in another situation with Dad, step-mum, little half brother, new home, school, it’s a lot. All this does not and I repeat does not ok their various behaviors, they sound, collectively and singly very hard work, I do feel for you, especially with a weak willyed father. Your h is the kingpin here, he’s the one who should and needs to show these boys what is acceptable and what’s not, AND he needs to stand behind you when you attempt to parent them!

My other concern, and this is a real concern, is that your 2 year old is seeing his step-brothers anti social behaviour, and how long before he begins mirroring what he’s seeing?

I’m feeling for you, you’ve a mountain to climb without a climbing buddy. I do wish you all the luck in the world.

"weak willyed father"

This.

This man. Floppy. In more ways than one.

Worldinyourhands · Today 20:06

Being completely honest this isn't going to get any better. You're in for years of this chaos and stress and it will affect your DS's whole childhood. It would be better if you left and he could see his chaotic dad and brothers from time to time, in the middle of his calm, safe, nurtured life. It would also mean your husband had to step up and actually attempt to parent his kids (he probably won't - like I said, this isn't going to get any better).

MrsJeanLuc · Today 20:08

JLou08 · Today 17:48

They sound hard work but you also sound dramatic. He took a car from your 3 year old and you worrying about him "sobbing" and talking about them seriously hurting him is OTT. There's nothing to say they will seriously hurt your child. A 3 year old does need to learn to share and then being upset is just them communicating their frustration, he's not going to be emotionally harmed by someone taking his car off him and he is at an age where he needs to start learning to communicate with his words rather than crying.

You're talking complete rubbish! Selfish and unfeeling rubbish at that.
OF COURSE a 2 year old can be emotionally damaged by an older child repeatedly taking things off him in order to make him cry! He's being bullied in his own home ffs.

@Emilyelite you need to advocate for your toddler at the very least; that should be non-negotiable (along with even touching your bag). The 8 year old isn't "sharing" is he? That's a ridiculous point for your husband to make and you should call him out on it. And the 8 year old too "did you want to share name toddler toy? Shall I get you one of your own?".

I agree with other posters. Can you just take yourself and your child away for a week or two? Leave your husband to cope for a bit. And then make it clear what your conditions are for coming back (you seem rather passive in all this).

Merryoldgoat · Today 20:08

I’m always perplexed about the narrative of learning to share.

Adults often do not share things that are valuable and important to them. I may choose to lend something but that’s my choice.

I take turns using some things at work etc but what is actually meant by sharing? Is it ok for my sister to take my straighter out of my hand when I’m using it? Of course not.

Your husband is a lazy parent @Emilyelite and I suspect you’re only just seeing it. If he doesn’t make wholesale changes your marriage isn’t lasting.

Mumtotornadoes · Today 20:09

I would move out and leave him to it. You knew he had kids. You didn't know he was a wet blanket of a father intent on raising entitled bullies.

LakieLady · Today 20:09

VioletsTale · Today 17:12

I rarely say this, but if I were you, I’d say fuck it , take your little one and leave.
Your DH will never parent them in the way they need , so you have at least 10 more years of this, at best.

That was my first thought, too. I'd certainly be asking him to get them some sort of therapy or counselling.

They've clearly had very little stability in their lives, if their mother moved around a lot, and few (if any) boundaries, but their behaviour sounds appalling. And your DH sounds very reluctant to impose any now.

Momon45 · Today 20:10

It's not your job to discipline you are a step parent it's up to their Dad . It must be difficult for all of you to adjust but more difficult for the 3 children who have lost their home ,Mum and friends all in one go . Have a little patience and empathy or decide its not for you and leave . A very sad situation .

MrsJeanLuc · Today 20:11

Newyearawaits · Today 19:52

But the kids are OP's husbands and come in the deal.
OP married a divorced man with 3 young children whose lives have been disrupted big time.
What was OP expecting?
Fairy tales and perfect children?

Don't be ridiculous. OP is expecting a husband who steps up and parents his children - not one who actively belittles her instead!

VioletsTale · Today 20:13

IsitaHatOrACat · Today 20:03

Good grief. These poor children. And one is only 8 for goodness sake! They've had their lives completely uprooted.
I don't think putting a lock on a bedroom door is going to help the situation. Likewise with walking out.
Your 2 year old will a teenager one day and will push boundaries, eat in his room, eat more food than you thought possible and generally test your patience.
Get some family counselling for all of you and individual counselling for the children

Walking out would help OP and her little one, who should be her priority. OP didn’t create this situation, she isn’t the one that didn’t parent them properly in their formative years , or the one parenting them now. Hell, half the issue is that she isn’t allowed to parent them by their Disney dad. She’s not the cause of this, it isn’t her responsibility. She definitely doesn’t have to be part of the solution. She also doesn’t have to sacrifice her own wellbeing and happiness, and that of her child because two people had kids that they had/have no idea what to do with.

So yeah, walking out would absolutely be better.

ThreadGuardDog · Today 20:14

Newyearawaits · Today 19:52

But the kids are OP's husbands and come in the deal.
OP married a divorced man with 3 young children whose lives have been disrupted big time.
What was OP expecting?
Fairy tales and perfect children?

Maybe she was expecting him to step up and be a dad. Which he isn’t.

OneoftheWeddingPeople · Today 20:20

Don’t understand why as a presumably young ish childfree woman you chose a man who already had THREE kids as the father of your children and life partner. In my twenties I would have declined a first date. And now here you are. Nightmare.