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To think my DSS are completely out of control

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Emilyelite · Today 16:57

I’ve been putting off posting this because I know how stepmothers get talked about on here but honestly I am at the end of my tether and DH is now not speaking to me so here goes.

I have a 2 year old DS with my husband and he has 3 boys from his previous marriage, 15, 13 and 8. They have recently come to live with us full time after living abroad with their mum for years. They used to see their dad mainly in the school holidays. I knew it would be a massive adjustment but I genuinely dont think DH realised how much would change having them here all the time.

Their mum has moved around a lot over the years, different countries, different schools etc. I am not saying she is a bad mum as I dont know the full story and I wasnt there, but from what the boys have told us they had pretty much unlimited screen time, could stay up watching things and eat in their rooms. Getting them off devices now is a battle every single day. DH says they have had enough upheaval and we need to be patient which I do understand but there still has to be some rules surely.

The older two are the worst for attitude. They have started at the local secondary and apparently think it is beneath them. DSS1 has said the other kids are thick and common and asked why he has to go to a school like this when he used to go to a much better one. DSS2 joins in with this sort of thing and they have both already been in trouble for being rude to teachers and disrupting lessons. We cannot afford private school for 3 children, not that I think they should get to look down on everyone else anyway.

At home they just seem to take whatever they want and expect everyone else to sort it out. Food, chargers, things out of my bag, it doesnt matter. If I say something I get told their dad lets them do it or that I am not their mum. DH says I need to stop turning everything into an argument and they are settling in.

The biggest issue at the moment is DSS3 and DS. The 8 year old is constantly snatching things from him. DS will be happily playing with a toy and DSS3 will just take it out of his hands, then laugh when he cries or run off with it. Yesterday he took his favourite little car while DS was playing with it and DS was absolutely sobbing. I told DSS3 to give it back and he started shouting that it was his house too and he could have what he wanted. I know he is only 8 but he is old enough to understand that you dont just grab things off a toddler and laugh at them.

DH came in and told me I was making a fuss over nothing. He said DS needs to learn to share and cannot expect to have everything to himself just because he is the baby. I said sharing is not the same as having things ripped out of your hands and that if DS was doing it to his brothers I would tell him off as well. DH said his boys have had a difficult childhood, have been dragged around different countries and missed having their dad around every day and I should have a bit more compassion.

I do have compassion. I know they have been through a lot and I am not expecting them to suddenly be perfectly behaved children. But apparently every single thing they do is because of their childhood and if I dare say anything I am the wicked stepmother. They can be really nasty to each other as well, pushing and hitting when they get wound up, and DH just calls it being boisterous boys. I have asked him what happens when school starts calling every week or one of them seriously hurts DS and he says I am being dramatic.

There is also a language thing because they have lived in different countries and sometimes switch languages between themselves. I dont mind that at all and I know they have had to adapt to different places, but sometimes DH uses that as another reason why I shouldnt question anything they do. I feel like I am expected to accept absolutely everything because their lives have been unsettled.

After yesterday I said to DH that he needs to actually parent them instead of defending everything they do. He said I knew he had children when I married him and that DS is needs to understand sharing anyway so why am I making it an issue. He has barely spoken to me since.

I dont want his boys sent away or made to feel unwanted, I really dont. But I am starting to dread being at home when they are all here and I feel awful even typing that. Am I being unreasonable to expect some basic manners and boundaries or do I need to accept that this is just how boys are and give them more time? And is DH right that our 2 year old needs to learn to share even when his brothers are taking things off him?

OP posts:
CheeseMakesMeFart · Today 17:05

They need boundaries and your H is a spineless muppet.

Taking things out of your bag is totally unacceptable, as is bullying the 3yo.

Preworkouttingle · Today 17:05

He’s raising three bullies. He’ll rue the day. You are so NOT unreasonable (and I’m a mum whose dd has a stepmum who is fucking wonderful and if my dd had EVER treated her like that she’d have had me to deal with). I raised a good, polite child because no shit was taken from the off. Your DH is dragging a future problem up not parenting children who need boundaries and preparation for the adult world. Sadly when parents fail to teach their kids how to treat people, someone outside does it with both fists.

waterrat · Today 17:08

This sounds like a very difficult situation. While they do sound lacking in boundaries this must also be such a huge upheaval for them ?

Do they miss their mum? They may be criticising school as a stressful reaction in a really intense new environment

Seems a lot of context missing. Remember even if thy were your kids...groups of siblings fight as per normal.

IsitaHatOrACat · Today 17:11

Have any of the DSS s had counselling? What an upheaval for them. No wonder they are acting up

VioletsTale · Today 17:12

I rarely say this, but if I were you, I’d say fuck it , take your little one and leave.
Your DH will never parent them in the way they need , so you have at least 10 more years of this, at best.

sittingonabeach · Today 17:14

Where was your DH when his Dc were being dragged round different countries? Why did he have another DC when he didn't see much of his eldest 3?

Bufftailed · Today 17:15

Sounds v difficult, but v early days.

Helping yourself to food/ chargers is normal in your own home. They are just treating it as home.

TheJoyousHiker · Today 17:15

I’d say stop parenting your step-children until your DH steps up. Don’t do anything - no solo care, laundry, dropping/collecting, etc. Go out and about with your own DS, if your DSS is mean to your DS, take your DS and yourself to another room. Get a lock your bedroom door and keep your bag/charger, etc there. Or better still, move out with your DS and leave them to it.

PrincessofWills · Today 17:16

This wouldn't work for me. Your partner is refusing to properly parent his children and it's highly unlikely to change so what you do is entirely up to you.

Debbi62 · Today 17:17

I'd take my son and leave him to it, see how he gets on with them on his own. Its not fair on you or you're son

SummerInSun · Today 17:18

Agree re counselling and upheaval. A few things in your list sound normal - eg of course the boys should be allowed to take food without having to ask, especially at the ages of the older ones. (All I ask of DS is that we start to run low on anything he’s eaten he needs to write it on the shopping list stuck to the fridge.) A certain amount of roughhousing and teasing is commons between teenage brothers too.

But plenty of things in your list aren’t ok, like taking things by a from your bag and snatching toys from the 2 year old.

Could you and your DS go away for a while, maybe to visit your family, and leave your DH to have step up and do all the parenting? Might make him realise he needs to get a grip and not just be holiday dad.

sashh · Today 17:18

Tell them if they want to ho yo a better school they need to find a scholarship, and tell them that if they manage that they need a reference from their existing(s).

Write a set of rules and put them on the fridge.

Having said that they do need some space and understanding. Can they go out with Dad for a meal, cinema or bowling. Give them some time away from you and your DS. They will obviously be jealous of this child who has had their DR'S attention (that is how they will see it)

itwasntme2019 · Today 17:18

Why did they move back with their dad? I wonder if they are missing their mum. To be honest, the behaviour of the two teens sounds like normal teenager attitudes. Teens aren’t easy, they are difficult at times.

Pinadaqx2 · Today 17:20

sittingonabeach · Today 17:14

Where was your DH when his Dc were being dragged round different countries? Why did he have another DC when he didn't see much of his eldest 3?

This with bells. OP you said you dont want the DSS sent away. Sent away where? Theres more chance of your marriage breaking than the DSS going away.

What is your DHs relationship like with their mum? Why have they all come back all of a sudden?

Yogabearmous · Today 17:21

Why is DH saying your three year old should share his toys? An 8 year old will not be interested in toy cars, he is taking them to be spiteful.
your DH sounds like he doesn’t want to step up and parent, so honestly I’d be looking to move out.

TFImBackIn · Today 17:22

I'd be off and take my child with me. No way would I want my child to grow up with children like that - nor with a father who can't parent.

Silverbirchleaf · Today 17:22

Effectively you’re both their parents now, so you need to draw up some house rules with dh and stick to them. Discuss with the children what behaviour will be acceptable. Give it time, and if things don’t improve, then you need to decide what’s best for you and your child in the long run.

Ponderingwindow · Today 17:23

There are many things in your post.

Food and chargers are items I would expect anyone in the family to use.

If the school is not up to measure, then I would be looking for a better option. It’s one of the most important decisions a parent can make.

Taking things from bags or personal spaces is not acceptable. There are common household items and spaces and personal items and spaces. You need to make clear distinctions. With a very young child you might not be used to this.

Bullying and taking things from someone actively using them should be addressed.

sprigatito · Today 17:23

Your DH is a disgrace as a husband and father. Of course he thinks it’s all cool and everything will sort itself out - because he’s not the one dealing with any of the issues! He’s letting you and your toddler take the brunt of the disruption. He’s moved three unsettled, angry, poorly parented (by him!) children in and just expected it to work out somehow. It was always going to be a clusterfuck. I would take the toddler and leave him to it, personally - those poor lads need a huge amount of support, discipline and input, but none of it is your problem. Time for him to wake up and take some responsibility.

Whyherewego · Today 17:27

I'd agree that rough play is normal with boys but definitely wouldn't expect snatching or anything like that.
The condescending attitude is probsbly just a reaction to a situation they didn't ask for and are unhappy about.
So basically some stuff is unreasonable and some isn't.

You need a sit down with DH. Constantly saying oh it's not their fault it's upheaval is not parenting. So yes cut some slack but also parent and set boundaries. Decide jointly what these are and enforce them rigorously. If he doesn't then you need a long hard think about the future

Shinyandnew1 · Today 17:31

Where is their mum?

I would say your DH is burying his head in the sand and is behaving like a total muppet here.

A three year old does not have to share toddler toys with an 8 year old-that is not necessary.

If there are issues with the school-your DH needs to investigate. Speak to the boys, the teachers and find out what’s going on. Moving to a private school is not an option. Moving to a different state school might be.

Going down your bag is a total non-negotiable in my book. Completely unacceptable.

They sound really hard work and I presume there are a lot of things going on here that you haven’t explained. If you and DH were dealing with them as a team, it might work but at the moment, he is behaving like a selfish tosser. If this is not going to change, I would take my child and leave.

PingPong91 · Today 17:33

It's honestly not ever going to get better and it's really now only a question of how long it will be until you recognise that. I'm so sorry - really sad and unfortunate for you all, but this is the way it will be until you've had enough and you leave.

Emilyelite · Today 17:34

Their mum was moving around for work and relationships, that was her choice when they split and the youngest was a baby. From what the boys have said she seemed to let them do what they wanted a lot of the time, eat whatever they wanted, unlimited screentime etc. I dont know everything that went on in their house and im not saying she never looked after them properly, but this is what they have told us. DH didnt just forget about his children though, they came here for holidays but obviously they had school and couldnt just come over whenever they wanted. We arent made of money and he couldnt afford to keep flying out to see them all the time on top of working and everything else. Their mum actually asked me and DH to have them here, it wasnt us deciding to take them away from her. I do think they miss her and im not pretending moving here has been easy for them.

I know teenagers are hard work, honestly I do, and I expect attitude and arguments and all that. Its not that they arent allowed food, of course they are, but they will constantly be going into cupboards and taking packets of stuff and then eating it all in their bedrooms, refusing dinner or anything decent when its made because theyve already filled themselves up on rubbish.

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LovingLivingLife · Today 17:36

I'm sorry sounds like a nightmare. I'm sure there will be people along shortly to tell you that you knew what you were getting into and why did you have a child with him - but how were you supposed to know that they would suddenly be with you full time and that DH would completely refuse to parent.

Either DH is prioritizing his older boys and relationship with them, or he is just lazy. Nobody on here will be able to say either way. But that doesn't mean your priorities have to be the same.

In the short term back right off any parenting duties to the older ones, and keep your son close to you so that you can intercede before the 8yo has a chance to snatch. Teaching your son to share can definitely be done with introducing turn taking without snatching.

If your DH is open to counselling I would highly recommend it. Obviously the new way of living needs to be worked out, and I think a counsellor would really help you do that with minimal damage to your relationship.

In the longer term, perhaps this isn't a situation you want to stay in. If a happy medium can't be negotiated with clear rules and discipline then you may need to rethink things.

All the best OP!

PurpleLovecats · Today 17:36

So three boys have:

changed country
changed language culture
Changed family dynamic
changed house
changed school
changed friends.

I would EXPECT bad behaviour but I wouldn’t ACCEPT that behaviour.

They are telling you they are sad, angry, frustrated, anxious, all these differing emotions.

They need strong boundaries but also a lot of love and support. Family counselling might help. And individual therapy for the three of them to share their emotions.

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