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To think my DSS are completely out of control

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Emilyelite · Today 16:57

I’ve been putting off posting this because I know how stepmothers get talked about on here but honestly I am at the end of my tether and DH is now not speaking to me so here goes.

I have a 2 year old DS with my husband and he has 3 boys from his previous marriage, 15, 13 and 8. They have recently come to live with us full time after living abroad with their mum for years. They used to see their dad mainly in the school holidays. I knew it would be a massive adjustment but I genuinely dont think DH realised how much would change having them here all the time.

Their mum has moved around a lot over the years, different countries, different schools etc. I am not saying she is a bad mum as I dont know the full story and I wasnt there, but from what the boys have told us they had pretty much unlimited screen time, could stay up watching things and eat in their rooms. Getting them off devices now is a battle every single day. DH says they have had enough upheaval and we need to be patient which I do understand but there still has to be some rules surely.

The older two are the worst for attitude. They have started at the local secondary and apparently think it is beneath them. DSS1 has said the other kids are thick and common and asked why he has to go to a school like this when he used to go to a much better one. DSS2 joins in with this sort of thing and they have both already been in trouble for being rude to teachers and disrupting lessons. We cannot afford private school for 3 children, not that I think they should get to look down on everyone else anyway.

At home they just seem to take whatever they want and expect everyone else to sort it out. Food, chargers, things out of my bag, it doesnt matter. If I say something I get told their dad lets them do it or that I am not their mum. DH says I need to stop turning everything into an argument and they are settling in.

The biggest issue at the moment is DSS3 and DS. The 8 year old is constantly snatching things from him. DS will be happily playing with a toy and DSS3 will just take it out of his hands, then laugh when he cries or run off with it. Yesterday he took his favourite little car while DS was playing with it and DS was absolutely sobbing. I told DSS3 to give it back and he started shouting that it was his house too and he could have what he wanted. I know he is only 8 but he is old enough to understand that you dont just grab things off a toddler and laugh at them.

DH came in and told me I was making a fuss over nothing. He said DS needs to learn to share and cannot expect to have everything to himself just because he is the baby. I said sharing is not the same as having things ripped out of your hands and that if DS was doing it to his brothers I would tell him off as well. DH said his boys have had a difficult childhood, have been dragged around different countries and missed having their dad around every day and I should have a bit more compassion.

I do have compassion. I know they have been through a lot and I am not expecting them to suddenly be perfectly behaved children. But apparently every single thing they do is because of their childhood and if I dare say anything I am the wicked stepmother. They can be really nasty to each other as well, pushing and hitting when they get wound up, and DH just calls it being boisterous boys. I have asked him what happens when school starts calling every week or one of them seriously hurts DS and he says I am being dramatic.

There is also a language thing because they have lived in different countries and sometimes switch languages between themselves. I dont mind that at all and I know they have had to adapt to different places, but sometimes DH uses that as another reason why I shouldnt question anything they do. I feel like I am expected to accept absolutely everything because their lives have been unsettled.

After yesterday I said to DH that he needs to actually parent them instead of defending everything they do. He said I knew he had children when I married him and that DS is needs to understand sharing anyway so why am I making it an issue. He has barely spoken to me since.

I dont want his boys sent away or made to feel unwanted, I really dont. But I am starting to dread being at home when they are all here and I feel awful even typing that. Am I being unreasonable to expect some basic manners and boundaries or do I need to accept that this is just how boys are and give them more time? And is DH right that our 2 year old needs to learn to share even when his brothers are taking things off him?

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Neverpissoffapoet · Today 18:44

VioletsTale · Today 17:12

I rarely say this, but if I were you, I’d say fuck it , take your little one and leave.
Your DH will never parent them in the way they need , so you have at least 10 more years of this, at best.

This.

Diamond7272 · Today 18:46

VioletsTale · Today 17:12

I rarely say this, but if I were you, I’d say fuck it , take your little one and leave.
Your DH will never parent them in the way they need , so you have at least 10 more years of this, at best.

This. Entirely.

These kids aren't your problem. It's a massive upheaval to your life, not a hugely pleasant one, with no benefits to you.

I'd leave. Arrange financials with him and sail away from 10 to 15 years of grief which will get worse and worse if this man does nothing.

All 'his' problems associated with a messy life have suddenly become your problems... Nah, I'd be off.

Mumofoneandone · Today 18:48

Urgent family therapy is needed. Your 3 stepsons are seriously screwed up and desperately need help and support. Their mother clearly can't cope with the monsters she's created so dumped them on their father!
If your DH is not going to parent his son's and their behaviour is badly affecting you and your son, I think you will both have to move out. Sooner rather than later unfortunately.

JoyousWriter · Today 18:48

A) I feel very sorry for the lads, changing parent/school/country.

B) I'd take my son and leave.

MMUmum · Today 18:49

Emilyelite · Today 16:57

I’ve been putting off posting this because I know how stepmothers get talked about on here but honestly I am at the end of my tether and DH is now not speaking to me so here goes.

I have a 2 year old DS with my husband and he has 3 boys from his previous marriage, 15, 13 and 8. They have recently come to live with us full time after living abroad with their mum for years. They used to see their dad mainly in the school holidays. I knew it would be a massive adjustment but I genuinely dont think DH realised how much would change having them here all the time.

Their mum has moved around a lot over the years, different countries, different schools etc. I am not saying she is a bad mum as I dont know the full story and I wasnt there, but from what the boys have told us they had pretty much unlimited screen time, could stay up watching things and eat in their rooms. Getting them off devices now is a battle every single day. DH says they have had enough upheaval and we need to be patient which I do understand but there still has to be some rules surely.

The older two are the worst for attitude. They have started at the local secondary and apparently think it is beneath them. DSS1 has said the other kids are thick and common and asked why he has to go to a school like this when he used to go to a much better one. DSS2 joins in with this sort of thing and they have both already been in trouble for being rude to teachers and disrupting lessons. We cannot afford private school for 3 children, not that I think they should get to look down on everyone else anyway.

At home they just seem to take whatever they want and expect everyone else to sort it out. Food, chargers, things out of my bag, it doesnt matter. If I say something I get told their dad lets them do it or that I am not their mum. DH says I need to stop turning everything into an argument and they are settling in.

The biggest issue at the moment is DSS3 and DS. The 8 year old is constantly snatching things from him. DS will be happily playing with a toy and DSS3 will just take it out of his hands, then laugh when he cries or run off with it. Yesterday he took his favourite little car while DS was playing with it and DS was absolutely sobbing. I told DSS3 to give it back and he started shouting that it was his house too and he could have what he wanted. I know he is only 8 but he is old enough to understand that you dont just grab things off a toddler and laugh at them.

DH came in and told me I was making a fuss over nothing. He said DS needs to learn to share and cannot expect to have everything to himself just because he is the baby. I said sharing is not the same as having things ripped out of your hands and that if DS was doing it to his brothers I would tell him off as well. DH said his boys have had a difficult childhood, have been dragged around different countries and missed having their dad around every day and I should have a bit more compassion.

I do have compassion. I know they have been through a lot and I am not expecting them to suddenly be perfectly behaved children. But apparently every single thing they do is because of their childhood and if I dare say anything I am the wicked stepmother. They can be really nasty to each other as well, pushing and hitting when they get wound up, and DH just calls it being boisterous boys. I have asked him what happens when school starts calling every week or one of them seriously hurts DS and he says I am being dramatic.

There is also a language thing because they have lived in different countries and sometimes switch languages between themselves. I dont mind that at all and I know they have had to adapt to different places, but sometimes DH uses that as another reason why I shouldnt question anything they do. I feel like I am expected to accept absolutely everything because their lives have been unsettled.

After yesterday I said to DH that he needs to actually parent them instead of defending everything they do. He said I knew he had children when I married him and that DS is needs to understand sharing anyway so why am I making it an issue. He has barely spoken to me since.

I dont want his boys sent away or made to feel unwanted, I really dont. But I am starting to dread being at home when they are all here and I feel awful even typing that. Am I being unreasonable to expect some basic manners and boundaries or do I need to accept that this is just how boys are and give them more time? And is DH right that our 2 year old needs to learn to share even when his brothers are taking things off him?

Imagine how these boys are going to be in 2-3 years time, they think.they're entitled to take anything they want, I can imagine how that will work.out for them. As for going into your bag and taking stuff, absolutely not on, that is your private space. I would be looking to bring up Ds on your own somewhere out of Dss influence. Imagine the judges face when they end up in court and Dh says -'well it's not their fault your honour, they are a product of their childhood '

Watermelongum · Today 18:49

I've never said this before but I'm 100% sure I would leave with my DC. Where on earth is this going? It can only get worse, and worse. It's not your DSSs' fault but both parents have created this situation and the way you're being criticised makes my blood boil.

Put your DC, and your sanity first and move out, however hard it is. Find your anger and stand up to these four bullies.

Neverpissoffapoet · Today 18:49

JLou08 · Today 17:48

They sound hard work but you also sound dramatic. He took a car from your 3 year old and you worrying about him "sobbing" and talking about them seriously hurting him is OTT. There's nothing to say they will seriously hurt your child. A 3 year old does need to learn to share and then being upset is just them communicating their frustration, he's not going to be emotionally harmed by someone taking his car off him and he is at an age where he needs to start learning to communicate with his words rather than crying.

He's 2. And what 8 year old plays with a 2 year old child's toys? And laughs at a 2 year old crying?

Seriestwo · Today 18:50

I would not bring my child up in that dynamic if I didn’t have to. And you don’t have to.

all kids need boundaries and love, if either of those are lacking you get this. You can’t possibly have capacity to fix it, unless you’re
an intensive foster carer to trade?

if leave and let your husband work out how to get support and protect my sons childhood.

Lizzieregina · Today 18:51

Maybeitllneverhappen · Today 18:11

Sorry, I'd get the hell out with my kid and tell him I might be back when the others have been trained .

This!

I’d take the 2 year old and leave your DH to it. I have a strong feeling that YOU are the one dealing with all the BS. Tell him you’ll be back when the older boys have settled down a bit (or a lot!) He’ll get his eyes opened if he has to do it by himself.

JJWT · Today 18:51

VioletsTale · Today 17:12

I rarely say this, but if I were you, I’d say fuck it , take your little one and leave.
Your DH will never parent them in the way they need , so you have at least 10 more years of this, at best.

Totally agree with this. Not your circus, not your monkeys. No way would I stay. Your husband is a useless waste of space and needs to sort his kids out. Don't threaten to go. Just do it. Your child's life will be awful otherwise.

CinnamonJellyBeans · Today 18:52

They behave that way because their dad allows them to. He needs to set some boundaries and enforce them, or you should move out.

ThatLemonBee · Today 18:53

I think you need a word alone with your husband and tell him what you expect from him . He clearly is letting the boys walk all over him. He also needs to let the boys know you are the other responsible adult so they will respect what you say and not question it without consequences.
I have 2 step sons both “ came to me “ older , one was 12 the other 16 but they have never disrespect me because the only times I remember them trying my husband made sure they knew in our house we are both equal and what either of us says goes .
As a result we have a great relationship now . They are now 20 and 24 and their mum is a bit like your exes wife , she let them get away with murder then as they grew up she kept asking my husband for help because she couldn’t control them , yet every time my husband warned her of this she used to say she knew what she was doing 🤷🏻‍♀️.
Anyway it’s a massive change for you and your son and honestly unless your husband gets a grip this can potentially and with reason , end your marriage .

Notmycircusnotmyotter · Today 18:54

They mustn't be allowed to bully your toddler but I have some sympathy. The British state system just be a shock after international private school.

Constantrunner · Today 18:58

Neverpissoffapoet · Today 18:49

He's 2. And what 8 year old plays with a 2 year old child's toys? And laughs at a 2 year old crying?

It sounded to me like the 8 year old was looking for attention and love. Eight is still very young.

Neverpissoffapoet · Today 18:58

Notmycircusnotmyotter · Today 18:54

They mustn't be allowed to bully your toddler but I have some sympathy. The British state system just be a shock after international private school.

The OP doesn't say they went to an international private school.

tommyhoundmum · Today 19:00

VioletsTale · Today 17:12

I rarely say this, but if I were you, I’d say fuck it , take your little one and leave.
Your DH will never parent them in the way they need , so you have at least 10 more years of this, at best.

This

tommyhoundmum · Today 19:00

VioletsTale · Today 17:12

I rarely say this, but if I were you, I’d say fuck it , take your little one and leave.
Your DH will never parent them in the way they need , so you have at least 10 more years of this, at best.

This

Tiddlywinks63 · Today 19:02

VioletsTale · Today 17:12

I rarely say this, but if I were you, I’d say fuck it , take your little one and leave.
Your DH will never parent them in the way they need , so you have at least 10 more years of this, at best.

I agree. 100%.
He’s raising three feral children whose behaviour is totally unacceptable.
I wouldn’t be staying around if he won’t pull his finger out and actually parent instead of making excuses.

Neverpissoffapoet · Today 19:02

Constantrunner · Today 18:58

It sounded to me like the 8 year old was looking for attention and love. Eight is still very young.

Then his father needs to work on giving him the tools to achieve this in ways that don't entail bullying a 2 year old and being rude to and defying his step mother.

Diamond7272 · Today 19:03

Lots of people saying leave...

Where's the money? Who pays the mortgage, bills etc. Who has savings and how much...

If it's your house in your name, I'd be telling them all to do one... Tomorrow.

No 2 Yr old should face bullying from an 8yr old...

RosemaryRusset · Today 19:03

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · Today 18:26

This may sound unkind, but why are you believing these three when they tell you their mum let them do this, that and the other? It's absolutely classic lying by children who have found out they can divide and conquer, and go from one parent to the other claiming to the second that the first said they could do whatever it is they have a whim for that day. It happens even in families where the parents have lived together and parented together for the whole of the child's life; they still try it on. "Oh but mummy said I can stay up to watch x programme" "oh but daddy said I can have icecream after school" and so on and so on.

And when one of the parents is not in the country and cannot be swiftly called to check "Hey Ian, did you say little Jilly can watch x programme?", it's really hard to be sure what in fact the child has been allowed or promised. And what's more, the parent who is not living in the same place for whatever reason may also lie in order to seem like the good guy.

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This!

pinkyredrose · Today 19:05

I'd be filing for divorce. Hope you've got a lock on your bedroom door!

cestlavielife · Today 19:07

Family therapy.whatever they may say they have lost their mother. get proffessional involved

Swmk · Today 19:07

Emilyelite · Today 18:01

Hes not 3, he literally turned 2 last month! I dont expect him to be able to calmly explain his feelings when an 8 year old snatches something out of his hands and laughs at him for crying. I know children cry, obviously, and im not saying he is going to be emotionally damaged for life over a toy car 🙄 its the whole thing of it happening constantly and DH acting like the older boys can do no wrong.

The boys are really aggressive with each other as well, hitting, grabbing, shoving and swearing at each other when they get wound up. Its not just normal sibling bickering over a toy, they can get properly physical and DH just tells them to pack it in without actually dealing with it. So yes I am concerned about a 2 year old being around that, especially when DSS3 is already taking things off him and laughing when he cries. Im not saying they are definitely going to seriously hurt him but is it really that unreasonable to want DH to take it seriously before something does happen? And I never said DS should never have to share, I said there is a difference between teaching a toddler to share and letting an 8 year old repeatedly snatch things from him. Apparently that makes me dramatic.

Have you thought about moving out with your son for a while and giving them space. It would give your OH a chance to man up and actually do some parenting. See how he manages without you smoothing the way.

C152 · Today 19:08

@Emilyelite It's not the kids that are the problem, it's your DH. I don't know how you get on the same page as each other, but you both need to agree household rules that everyone is expected to follow, then the three older children must be sat down and told what the rules and expectations are. There's a difference between cutting them some slack for meltdowns or forgetting new rules and letting them rule the house. They will feel better (although will never admit it) having clear and consistent boundaries.

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