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AIBU to worry about large numbers of undocumented men arriving in Spain?

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MaturingCheeseball · 30/07/2026 17:34

Thousands of young men from Morocco and beyond swimming to Spain. Spain obviously has encouraged the problem with their amnesty for existing migrants, but thousands more arriving with no means of support and undocumented is going to cause huge problems. Large numbers will no doubt be ultimately trying to reach the UK.

It’s harsh, but we cannot accept infinite numbers of men.

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Clavinova · 01/08/2026 08:43

IdaGlossop · 01/08/2026 00:16

My position is this. Successive British governments have failed in their first duty of protecting British citizens when it comes to irregular migration. Most irregular migrants who have come here over the last 10 years are young men from countries which have a turbulent recent history - war, genocide, extreme poverty and unemployment, failed states. Thus those who come bring trauma with them. Most also come from cultures in which women do not enjoy the hard-won freedoms we enjoy in the West. From the very first arrivals, accommodation should have been made available on Ministry of Defence sites as the default, following the internment practices of wartime. Housing in hotels and HMOs amongst established communities should never even have been considered.

In addition, steps have not been taken to discourage people from coming irregularly - a less generous benefits regime, earlier tightening of ILR, more safe routes, more and quicker deportation, adjustements to the law to limit the number of appeals per asylum seeker, tightening up equalities and human rights legislation, swifter and more efficient processing. Shabana Mahmood is the only Home Secretary who seems to understand this.

Sending people back is not as simple as a nation of origin saying no. Most irregular migrants have no documents. We are nolonger in the EU so have lost the right to return those who Ross the Channel to France.

Managing irregular migration in a way which prioritises reducing it above all else would leave us able to continue to offer asylum with the generosity we have largely shown since World War 2.

Recent governments have exposed women in particular to violence, including sexual violence, and facilitated the rise of the populist right. We should all be absolutely furious that we have been let down so badly as women, and that moderate governments have emboldened the immoderate. In all of this, however, it's so important to separate the issue of irregular immigration from the individuals who choose to come here. The dehumanising language that casually refers to 'them' and 'illegals' does nothing to help anyone understand the problem, making solutions even harder to find.

So I will never be in the half of the population that you predict will, say 'So what?' to whatever callous approaches are proposed to manage illegal immigration, not least because, as some of those who propose them are only too willing to tell us, Britain is a Christian country. Those who want the Coast Guard to slash dinghies with knives and midges on Scottish Isles to eat the flesh of people not our own should be ashamed of themselves, but I doubt that they are.

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We are no longer in the EU so have lost the right to return those who cross the Channel to France.

I don't know why some posters claim or imply we could easily send asylum seekers back to France when we were in the EU. Or rather I do know - it's a myth put about by people who want to rejoin the EU. Some figures here:

Transfers of asylum seekers from the UK to France under the Dublin Regulation:
2017 - 10
2018 - 51
2019 - 53
2020 - 25

In return, we accepted some asylum seekers from France under the Dublin Regulation, e.g.
2017 - 91
2018 - 92
2019 - 90

Clavinova · 01/08/2026 09:09

Zippedydoobaah · 31/07/2026 08:04

There is no such thing as a "no go" area. If you personally wouldn't want to go to an area where women are wearing niqab that is entirely up to you, but it's a personal preference, not because you (or anyone else) have been prohibited. Let's make that clear.

There is no such thing as a "no go" area.

As an aside, I remember reading that none of the major party leaders visited Birmingham during the 2024 general election campaign. I can only think they were advised by the police not to go there due to tensions surrounding Gaza;

Two re-elected female MPs have relayed in sober victory speeches the intimidation and harassment they faced during the general election campaign...

There was a notable police presence during counts in Birmingham where both women were candidates...

BBC Analysis

None of the major party leaders visited Birmingham during the election campaign - perhaps overnight we found out why.

Tensions boiled never far from the surface at the count, and they threatened to spill over as the results were announced...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4ng3j1pnpqo

LuckyHazelFox · 01/08/2026 09:13

Clavinova · 01/08/2026 09:09

There is no such thing as a "no go" area.

As an aside, I remember reading that none of the major party leaders visited Birmingham during the 2024 general election campaign. I can only think they were advised by the police not to go there due to tensions surrounding Gaza;

Two re-elected female MPs have relayed in sober victory speeches the intimidation and harassment they faced during the general election campaign...

There was a notable police presence during counts in Birmingham where both women were candidates...

BBC Analysis

None of the major party leaders visited Birmingham during the election campaign - perhaps overnight we found out why.

Tensions boiled never far from the surface at the count, and they threatened to spill over as the results were announced...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4ng3j1pnpqo

Shame on all authorities for allowing enclaves of the UK to become discriminately hostile.

IdaGlossop · 01/08/2026 09:16

Clavinova · 01/08/2026 08:43

We are no longer in the EU so have lost the right to return those who cross the Channel to France.

I don't know why some posters claim or imply we could easily send asylum seekers back to France when we were in the EU. Or rather I do know - it's a myth put about by people who want to rejoin the EU. Some figures here:

Transfers of asylum seekers from the UK to France under the Dublin Regulation:
2017 - 10
2018 - 51
2019 - 53
2020 - 25

In return, we accepted some asylum seekers from France under the Dublin Regulation, e.g.
2017 - 91
2018 - 92
2019 - 90

Useful information I had not seen before. Thank-you.

RodneysGotaNewHairdo · 01/08/2026 09:30

Fupoffyagrasshole · 30/07/2026 18:13

literally don’t care

migrants aren’t the problem - billionaires are

@Fupoffyagrasshole you are so thoughtful and wise. Why has no one else pointed out the obvious?

We need to deport all the billionaires and replace them with a few million undocumented young men from the poorest, most unstable countries in the world.

Hopefully, they will bring their interesting values and practices towards women with them. That is sure to put the country on the path to happiness and prosperity.

Literally no one, apart from a few "far right" head bangers could possibly disagree with such a plan.

JanesClinic · 01/08/2026 09:31

The Dublin Agreement definitely did not work! Plus haven't they rejigged it lately so each EU country has to take a large number of immigrants or be heavily penalised. I did read about it a while ago in the Irish Journal and the consensus with the Irish was they were deeply unhappy about this rejig.

Violetdeparma · 01/08/2026 09:38

I wonder if us having better boats (safe ) here to meet them on the beaches and literally escort them safely back to France would work. Then bring the good boats back.

1dayatatime · 01/08/2026 09:42

localnotail · 01/08/2026 08:02

I did not call them anything. I just said there is a word for it... and frankly, what other word would you use for people hating their fellow humans on the basis of their race?

I get the issues with the culture, the language. But not the skin colour.

Skin colour is irrelevant, culture / beliefs are not.

Not all cultures are equally acceptable.

inamarina · 01/08/2026 09:48

1dayatatime · 01/08/2026 09:42

Skin colour is irrelevant, culture / beliefs are not.

Not all cultures are equally acceptable.

Agree with this. Not all cultures are compatible, either.

EppingTrain · 01/08/2026 09:52

localnotail · 01/08/2026 07:36

As a Londoner, also wanted to add comments on Whitechapel and Ilford. Both are very scruffy and their residents are obviously low income. But do they feel like being abroad? Nope. Feels like England. Like, for example, poor areas of Derby 30 years ago. You would have an issue only if you hate seeing non white faces. Which is, you know, has a word for it.

Have you ever walked down Ilford lane? Would you go there alone?

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friedaklein · 01/08/2026 09:57

EppingTrain · 01/08/2026 09:52

Have you ever walked down Ilford lane? Would you go there alone?

Yes. I do. I regularly walk in Whitechapel, Ilford and Eastham alone. But I walk all over London alone.

The times I have been abused was in Kensington/ Richmond. But maybe I don't fit in there.

EppingTrain · 01/08/2026 10:06

friedaklein · 01/08/2026 09:57

Yes. I do. I regularly walk in Whitechapel, Ilford and Eastham alone. But I walk all over London alone.

The times I have been abused was in Kensington/ Richmond. But maybe I don't fit in there.

I don't think I've been to Richmond. But I absolutely love Kensington and find the walks around the streets just so amazing and fills my heart. I don't really like eastham as well and find it depressing.

friedaklein · 01/08/2026 10:09

EppingTrain · 01/08/2026 10:06

I don't think I've been to Richmond. But I absolutely love Kensington and find the walks around the streets just so amazing and fills my heart. I don't really like eastham as well and find it depressing.

I mean, of course Richmond and Kensington are much lovelier than Eastham. Because people are richer.
I go to Eastham for the food, not the aesthetics.

But what I am asking: has anything bad ever happened to you in Eastham, Ilford or Whitechapel?

EppingTrain · 01/08/2026 10:17

friedaklein · 01/08/2026 10:09

I mean, of course Richmond and Kensington are much lovelier than Eastham. Because people are richer.
I go to Eastham for the food, not the aesthetics.

But what I am asking: has anything bad ever happened to you in Eastham, Ilford or Whitechapel?

There's lovely food in Kensington as well.

SadiraOfTyr · 01/08/2026 10:18

friedaklein · 01/08/2026 10:09

I mean, of course Richmond and Kensington are much lovelier than Eastham. Because people are richer.
I go to Eastham for the food, not the aesthetics.

But what I am asking: has anything bad ever happened to you in Eastham, Ilford or Whitechapel?

I honestly don’t get the concern about Whitechapel. It’s full of fintech startups and hip bars and restaurants. Lots of artists and creatives have unfortunately been priced out if that is what @EppingTrain means?

suburburban · 01/08/2026 10:22

Violetdeparma · 01/08/2026 09:38

I wonder if us having better boats (safe ) here to meet them on the beaches and literally escort them safely back to France would work. Then bring the good boats back.

Yes at least it would act as a deterrent.

the French don’t seem to be assisting at their end despite being given money by the government

LuckyHazelFox · 01/08/2026 10:28

I like what Madrid is doing with deploying their army. If only this county had the balls to do the same. However, it's better to be proactive and revisit laws that are preventing us from protecting our security. I'm certainly with Kemi on ditching ECHR. It costs us more than it benefits us. Plenty of others benefit- just not our own citizens.

cardibach · 01/08/2026 10:42

LuckyHazelFox · 01/08/2026 10:28

I like what Madrid is doing with deploying their army. If only this county had the balls to do the same. However, it's better to be proactive and revisit laws that are preventing us from protecting our security. I'm certainly with Kemi on ditching ECHR. It costs us more than it benefits us. Plenty of others benefit- just not our own citizens.

If you don’t think our own citizens benefit from being in the ECHR I’m not sure it’s worth pursuing any discussion with you…

randomchap · 01/08/2026 10:43

LuckyHazelFox · 01/08/2026 10:28

I like what Madrid is doing with deploying their army. If only this county had the balls to do the same. However, it's better to be proactive and revisit laws that are preventing us from protecting our security. I'm certainly with Kemi on ditching ECHR. It costs us more than it benefits us. Plenty of others benefit- just not our own citizens.

You're happy to lose the right to not be tortured? The right to a family life? The right to not be imprisoned without due process?

LuckyHazelFox · 01/08/2026 10:44

cardibach · 01/08/2026 10:42

If you don’t think our own citizens benefit from being in the ECHR I’m not sure it’s worth pursuing any discussion with you…

This has been well documented on MN and reasons for departing from ECHR asserted. I stand by what I said. You pursue what you want.

LuckyHazelFox · 01/08/2026 10:45

randomchap · 01/08/2026 10:43

You're happy to lose the right to not be tortured? The right to a family life? The right to not be imprisoned without due process?

Hyperbole. When am I going to be tortured by government officials. I already have the right to a family life. You have nicely proven my point about who benefits.

friedaklein · 01/08/2026 10:47

SadiraOfTyr · 01/08/2026 10:18

I honestly don’t get the concern about Whitechapel. It’s full of fintech startups and hip bars and restaurants. Lots of artists and creatives have unfortunately been priced out if that is what @EppingTrain means?

Yes. Eastham likewise is not pretty, but full of families eating at local eateries and going to the Tamil temple.

You might have your phone snatched- which is everywhere in London- but nothing more serious.

randomchap · 01/08/2026 10:48

LuckyHazelFox · 01/08/2026 10:45

Hyperbole. When am I going to be tortured by government officials. I already have the right to a family life. You have nicely proven my point about who benefits.

You have no point. Your just echoing foolish nonsense spouted by populist politicians who do not care for you.

LuckyHazelFox · 01/08/2026 10:54

randomchap · 01/08/2026 10:48

You have no point. Your just echoing foolish nonsense spouted by populist politicians who do not care for you.

You mean like Polanski fooling people that he's acting in the west's interest?

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