AIBU to worry about large numbers of undocumented men arriving in Spain?

[MaturingCheeseball]

Thousands of young men from Morocco and beyond swimming to Spain. Spain obviously has encouraged the problem with their amnesty for existing migrants, but thousands more arriving with no means of support and undocumented is going to cause huge problems. Large numbers will no doubt be ultimately trying to reach the UK.

It’s harsh, but we cannot accept infinite numbers of men.

My issue with migrants is bugger-all to do with women's rights! My issue with migrants is migrants, i.e. an economic burden!

People with ‘higher education levels’ are often cushioned in naice well paying jobs and living in areas unaffected by mass migration. And have been indoctrinated by universities stuffed with complacent similar types.
Cheap labour benefits them. Their kids’ schools still operate in s civilised way.
There are however many of us with higher education levels (I have two post grad degrees as it happens and live in a peaceful and affluent neighborhood) who can see how people unlike ‘us’ have had their lives and livelihoods blighted and continue to be sneered at by the ‘progressive left and are severely impacted by the luxury beliefs and suicidal empathy of the Uniparty consensus.

You don't need to worry do you - you're not in the UK. You've got a socialist at the helm. A free for all.

One day, and it won't be many decades away, either you or your children will give a hollow laugh when they re-read this.

Exactly how much do you know of Spanish immigration law?

No, not all Muslims but you already know that.

Their corrupt, hugely unpopular, clinging on by the skin of his teeth PM.

Our own socialist won't last long. He will have his way with his vanity projects and little giveaways but will lead us further into debt.

Is it a prerequisite of having an opinion about migrants, that I need to be up on Spanish immigration law?

I know that but clearly a lot of people don't because I've reported and mumsnet have deleted many posts on this thread for disgusting generalisations.

I think it would be helpful before you describe Spanish policies as "a free for all" yes.

Well 'the Left' is a homogeneous group as well on MN.

Balances things out as as you said.

Yes, it may be 6% now althoughtI think it be slightly more.

However, to appease that 6%: a blasphemy law was seriously considered; halal meat is served in most hospitals; FGM is tolerated: sharia law operates unhindered by the authorities in terraced houses serving as courts; huge outdoor prayer meetings are held in central London and there is a mosque on every corner in Blackburn-35 of them in a not very large town,

These are just examples from a long list.

And that is when the Muslim population is, to take your figure, just 6% of over 18s.

What do you think will happen when the figure is 12%? That's not so far off.

So, in a way the fact that you point out it is only 6% makes the concessions already made so much frightening.

If this for just 6%, what for 10%, 14? and yes, eventually, heading towards 35%.

Corrupt socialists and free for alls go hand in hand. Spanish PMs or otherwise. You're not alone- we have our own cross party corrupt lot in Westminster.

You seen to be very good of assuming their inner thoughts. Have you ever assumed they were closed minded and didn't want their kids to socialise with non Muslims? They wouldn't come to Hindu households as well.

I think you have to look at the way other religions are treated by some of them in their countries of origin, not great being a Christian in Pakistan for example

this is why people are concerned, they see the possibility of their own way of life changing and the area they grew up etc

Again. If you informed yourself of Spanish immigration law you would understand that there is no "free for all".

It is easy to do. You can read it here.

https://www.boe.es/buscar/act.php?id=BOE-A-2024-24099

Here is the law regarding the rights and freedoms of foreign citizens and their social integration.

https://www.boe.es/buscar/act.php?id=BOE-A-2000-544

There is literally nothing stopping you from learning the necessary steps for different collectives of people to be able to move to Spain. And if you did, you would see that it is no free for all.

As I mentioned earlier, our penal code has a mechanism for the expulsion of foreign citizens who commit crimes with custodial sentences of between 1-5 years if they have not yet achieved the permanent right to residency (which takes 5 years and has other requirements to be met).

It is not helpful in order to have your opinions heard and taken seriously if you refuse to learn what you are talking about before you talk about it.

Some of us are just worried about the numbers. Britain has been importing migrants to the tune of a million a year for nearly 20 years. Our population has increased by a considerable percentage. We are a small island that can already not house all the people here, with a class system that encourages division and ill treatment of lots of ‘lower class’ people who get ground underfoot at any excuse. Even the middle class are not immune from that, our elites don’t care about people here who don’t have serious money. Parts of Britain have less water available per capita than the Sahara. Nutrients are steadily leaching out of our food growing system and we haven’t fed everyone here for decades as it is. And then on top of that, most of these migrants are men, they are causing issues here for women as they have across Europe, and we are told a load of lies and shut down when we start to say ‘err… perhaps that’s enough now’.

On the Spanish issue that prompted this, I’m glad your confidence in your own system appears to be well placed. Why do you think this happened? Was it Morocco trying to gain control of these Enclaves?

The following BBC article made me realise that we are well and truly screwed regarding illegal immigration into Europe:

The Socialist Spanish PM Pedro Sanchez has shown that he has absolutely zero understanding or control of illegal immigration. He is on record as blaming people smugglers for the 60,000 people illegally crossing into Ceuta.

Does he genuinely believe that smuggling gangs could somehow organise and receive payment for 60,000 people to cross over by themselves into Ceuta. And nothing to do with the recent amnesty for existing illegal migrants in Spain and the recent Court ruling blocking the deportation of any new migrants.

I mean if he seriously believes this then he really is clueless and shouldn't be PM.
As a result of Sanchez's inability to control its borders both Italy and Czech Rep have understandably suspended Schengen free travel with Spain.

Rather than recognising and talking responsibility for the disaster he has created, Sanchez's instead hit out at those countries saying "said: "Solidarity and empathy are optional. Respect for European treaties and data is not."

Sanchez right now is the most dangerous PM in Europe and that's really saying something.

Spain's PM blames traffickers after 60,000 migrants reach Ceuta from Morocco https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2kp639yx4o

6% at the last census, prior to the Boris Wave and increasing with current birth rates and immigration. It will be higher at the next census for sure.

6% was enough to bring us nationwide rape gangs and the systematic rape and torture of thousands of vulnerable white girls. It was enough to bring us huge over represenation in our prison population (18%) and even more alarming over representation in MI5's counter-terrorism case load (75%). And even under MI5's watchful eye, 6% was enough to bring us appalling terrorist acts and mass casualties. 6% was enough to create whole areas of our towns and cities where democracy is gone, perhaps permanently, and native Brits must either accept representation from Pakistani/Bangladeshi heritage Gaza fanatics or leave. I don't think I want to see what happens if it goes much higher than 6% frankly, that's more than enough.

Given they mostly all went home, it was not an invasion by any stretch of the imagination.

Why can't invasions be temporary?

I think it's good if most went home but all should.

Fair enough. Temporary invasion is a more fitting term.

All good then. Just a jolly boys outing. As you were.