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If you support Farage, would you be able to explain why please.

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lightseeker · 10/07/2026 19:48

I know there have probably been other threads asking this, but really .... why?

Why would you say he is a "man of the people?"'(Public school educated stockbroker / multi millionaire)

Genuinely, what appeals about him?

If you voted Brexit, have you forgotten that he resigned from public office that day after his Leave campaign won?

It's an anonymous forum, so please be honest.

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EasternStandard · 17/07/2026 20:55

5128gap · 17/07/2026 20:50

I'm no expert, but as I understand it the rights usually apply only to 'immediate family members'.
This was extended in respect of refugees from Ukraine to wider family. Then an Immigration tribunal applied this to refugees from Gaza, and in the case of the 18 the tribunal appeared to have followed this precedent.
The government in September suspended the family reunion scheme that extended rights beyond immediate family, and are now looking at tightening the rules so refugees have to meet the same requirements as all British Citizens with regards to visas, income and language before family members can join them.
Certainly, given the home secretary appealed the tribunals decision on this case twice, there is no appetite in government to allow such cases to become the norm.

Well yes but the court still over ruled them. I can’t see how the criteria you’ve listed would meet the right to family life within the ECHR.

The convention doesn’t say you only get that right if you earn enough and speak the language.

EvieBB · 17/07/2026 20:55

Greenqueen40 · 17/07/2026 13:51

Yes really. I'm not saying I believe their politics but millions and millions of other Brits do - hence why they are gaining traction every day.
Denying their rise and existence really helps noone.

Apparently 98% of our benefits are for British born people who have never worked.....and yet you Reformists are wanting to concentrate on the 2% of benefits that go to desperate people feeling from a war torn country....

5128gap · 17/07/2026 21:06

EasternStandard · 17/07/2026 20:55

Well yes but the court still over ruled them. I can’t see how the criteria you’ve listed would meet the right to family life within the ECHR.

The convention doesn’t say you only get that right if you earn enough and speak the language.

The court over ruled them because it was applying the extended rules intended for Ukraine. If it had been applying the 'regular rules' then only the persons immediate family would have been allowed to join them under the right to family life, not the 18 extended family members thats got everyone (understandably) in a tizzy. So now that's been suspended we should be back to immediate family only again.
Whether imposing the visa, income and language criteria on refugees conflicts with the right to family life will no doubt be a topic for hot debate between the government and human rights lawyers. At present the government are arguing that being able to live independently is part of family life, and that this requires a certain income and language level. This is naturally strongly criticised by the other side, so we will have to watch this space I guess.

EasternStandard · 17/07/2026 21:45

5128gap · 17/07/2026 21:06

The court over ruled them because it was applying the extended rules intended for Ukraine. If it had been applying the 'regular rules' then only the persons immediate family would have been allowed to join them under the right to family life, not the 18 extended family members thats got everyone (understandably) in a tizzy. So now that's been suspended we should be back to immediate family only again.
Whether imposing the visa, income and language criteria on refugees conflicts with the right to family life will no doubt be a topic for hot debate between the government and human rights lawyers. At present the government are arguing that being able to live independently is part of family life, and that this requires a certain income and language level. This is naturally strongly criticised by the other side, so we will have to watch this space I guess.

We’ll see but if it does drastically limit spouses and children and we just see single men take asylum are you ok with that?

5128gap · 17/07/2026 21:56

EasternStandard · 17/07/2026 21:45

We’ll see but if it does drastically limit spouses and children and we just see single men take asylum are you ok with that?

No. Because if the men are considered in need of asylum, goodness knows what their wives and children are suffering.
Ideally I'd prefer there to be a means of prioritising asylum to women and children over men.

EasternStandard · 17/07/2026 21:59

5128gap · 17/07/2026 21:56

No. Because if the men are considered in need of asylum, goodness knows what their wives and children are suffering.
Ideally I'd prefer there to be a means of prioritising asylum to women and children over men.

Same. But I think Mahmood’s policies will do the opposite.

5128gap · 17/07/2026 22:06

EasternStandard · 17/07/2026 21:59

Same. But I think Mahmood’s policies will do the opposite.

Yes, you make a valid point. I don't know what the answer is though.

EasternStandard · 17/07/2026 22:29

5128gap · 17/07/2026 22:06

Yes, you make a valid point. I don't know what the answer is though.

I’d redesign the system for women. It’d be a big change though after 75 odd years.

5128gap · 17/07/2026 22:41

EasternStandard · 17/07/2026 22:29

I’d redesign the system for women. It’d be a big change though after 75 odd years.

I'd love to hear your ideas.

Greenqueen40 · 17/07/2026 23:28

EvieBB · 17/07/2026 20:55

Apparently 98% of our benefits are for British born people who have never worked.....and yet you Reformists are wanting to concentrate on the 2% of benefits that go to desperate people feeling from a war torn country....

War torn countries like France?

EvieBB · 17/07/2026 23:50

Greenqueen40 · 17/07/2026 23:28

War torn countries like France?

?

Sunshinesuzsie · 18/07/2026 00:32

EvieBB · 17/07/2026 20:55

Apparently 98% of our benefits are for British born people who have never worked.....and yet you Reformists are wanting to concentrate on the 2% of benefits that go to desperate people feeling from a war torn country....

Which war-torn country is that? France ?

EvieBB · 18/07/2026 20:29

Sunshinesuzsie · 18/07/2026 00:32

Which war-torn country is that? France ?

No, the actual war torn countries.

Sunshinesuzsie · 18/07/2026 20:49

EvieBB · 18/07/2026 20:29

No, the actual war torn countries.

But they don't come to UK from these "war-torn countries" do they?

They cross many safe countries on the way and try their luck at getting asylum in one of those.

www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/news/map-shows-8-countries-where-most-migrants-heading-to-uk-are-from-25k-from-1-country/ar-AA1O4eA2

EvieBB · 18/07/2026 21:12

Sunshinesuzsie · 18/07/2026 20:49

But they don't come to UK from these "war-torn countries" do they?

They cross many safe countries on the way and try their luck at getting asylum in one of those.

www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/news/map-shows-8-countries-where-most-migrants-heading-to-uk-are-from-25k-from-1-country/ar-AA1O4eA2

But they set off from a war torn country didn't they? Wouldn't you if you were unlucky enough to be born in those parts of the world? You'd do anything for your children......so you can't really blame them.
I read that the UK take in less asylum seekers than other European countries in any case...

Sunshinesuzsie · 18/07/2026 21:19

@EvieBB I read that the UK take in less asylum seekers than other European countries in any case...

Quite rightly too.

UK is the most densely populated country in Europe after -

Malta
Holy See (Vatican City)
San Marino
Netherlands
Belgium

EasternStandard · 18/07/2026 21:37

EvieBB · 18/07/2026 21:12

But they set off from a war torn country didn't they? Wouldn't you if you were unlucky enough to be born in those parts of the world? You'd do anything for your children......so you can't really blame them.
I read that the UK take in less asylum seekers than other European countries in any case...

Although we spend more per person than other comparable countries.

EvieBB · 18/07/2026 21:57

Sunshinesuzsie · 18/07/2026 21:19

@EvieBB I read that the UK take in less asylum seekers than other European countries in any case...

Quite rightly too.

UK is the most densely populated country in Europe after -

Malta
Holy See (Vatican City)
San Marino
Netherlands
Belgium

I don't disagree.....as long as we see things from a balanced viewpoint

EvieBB · 18/07/2026 21:58

EasternStandard · 18/07/2026 21:37

Although we spend more per person than other comparable countries.

Thanks. I didn't know that....

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