If you support Farage, would you be able to explain why please.

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I know there have probably been other threads asking this, but really .... why?

Why would you say he is a "man of the people?"'(Public school educated stockbroker / multi millionaire)

Genuinely, what appeals about him?

If you voted Brexit, have you forgotten that he resigned from public office that day after his Leave campaign won?

It's an anonymous forum, so please be honest.

Farage had a massive part to play in the Brexit vote. Why do you think he didn’t?

If immigration was taken out of the Brexit debate, we would still be in the EU. Not everyone who voted for Brexit was racist, or even cared about immigration, but everyone who was racist or believed the bullshit about immigration voted for Brexit, and their vote, though not a majority, pushed the vote over the line.

He had nothing to do with how Brexit was executed. That was the Tories so people blame them for the lack of control and for the increase in immigration.

I don't think that he could have done any better, but we will never know and the people who vote for him probably think that he would have done.

There isn’t a lack of control of legal migration. The Tories chose to have more immigrants to help the economy recover after Covid, to support shortage industries, to address labour shortages and to fulfil humanitarian commitments for Afghanistan and Hong Kong.

Yes I can see she's an arrogant piece of....

Have you heard yourself?! Arrogant much?

If they stopped any benefits whatsoever for all immigrants who have not lived and contributed to UK economy for 10 years, don't you think that would stop illegal immigrants wanting to come to the UK?

It wouldn't make the slightest difference. Somebody on this thread claims that migrants* are treated generously but couldn't answer when I asked where people were housed while waiting for their claim to be heard or how much money they have to live on.

So here are the facts. Migrants live in home office accommodation which could be self contained, in a former hotel or shared housing, depending on circumstance. To live on, they receive:

Self-Catered Housing: £49.18 per week per individual.
Full-Board Housing: £9.95 per week per individual (given when meals are fully provided by the accommodation provider). **
Pregnant Mothers & Young Children: Eligible families receive an extra £5.25 to £9.50 per week, alongside a one-off £300 maternity grant for newborns. (Full Fact)

I would suggest that if you - general you -would be unwilling or unable to live on this amount of money, in these circumstances, that you don't claim that other people leave their homes, jobs and families purely in order to benefit from the beneficence of the UK government.

*Using the term migrants as per Amnesty recommendation to forestall any claims that "they" aren't genuine.

** whether or not these meals are edible

Some of these individuals sign on at food banks and then sell some of the food.

Any evidence at all for this?

no?

Of course there's no evidence. people in need are referred to food banks, they don't turn up, sign on and grab a bag of food, despite what the Fail would have you believe.

Who do they sell it to? Where do people new to the country find a network of buyers for 3 days supply of pasta, rice and tinned meat and veg? Anyone desperate enough to buy would surely just go to the foodbank themselves?

Why.. Because the Tories became a weaker and weaker force. When you think of Thatcher in the ‘80’s there was a right wing party. Since Cameron the Left and the Right both merged into a consensus party for example-

high immigration - (the skilled worker visa allowed the Boris wave, the largest immigration wave in our history, higher than America.)
Globalisation- no encouragement for our home industries. No care about industries leaving,
Green energy at the expense of our economy, highest energy costs in the developed world and de-industrialisation supported by Theresa May Net zero legislation.
D.E.I - disfavour of native population in jobs market
Trans rights originally supported by Theresa May.
So the Tories had become Lib Dem-ish and Reform are a. reaction to that.
Britain faces some very serious issues and if Count bin face was standing in the gentle shires where none of the grim realities of modern Britain have hit them then I’m sure he would be voted in and everyone would have a good laugh but England in some areas is so damaged and degraded no one is laughing there.

https://x.com/IAmBritishReal/status/2076929219867582941

Had you forgotten about the decade and a half of ideological austerity when you decided that the Tories had become woolly liberals?

Perhaps you weren't particularly affected by austerity yourself so you don't understand the impact it had? Maybe that's why you can dismiss it so readily.

A post on X by the well known news agency I Am British.

Sold. It's a scandal!

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DavOw6KIjAt/?igsh=MWt4MDc0eWMzbzByZQ==

A thread has been started on here this morning about a woman winning the right to bring 18 members of her family over here to collect benefits and be housed. That's why people support Farage.

Really.

Yes really. I'm not saying I believe their politics but millions and millions of other Brits do - hence why they are gaining traction every day.
Denying their rise and existence really helps noone.

I haven't denied Reform's existence and rise. Neither of those things surprises me at all. Your view is that they've gained in popularity because people don't want refugees coming to the UK. Mine is that it's happened because a certain proportion of the electorate welcomes the chance to be openly racist and to see that racism normalised and made acceptable by the move of the far right into mainstream politics.

I wonder how many Reform voters go beyond the headline and their view that this government is allowing it and Reform would stop it though?
Because this decision was made against the judgement of our government, a decision to refuse them was overturned at appeal.
The only way a different outcome could have been achieved here is by leaving the European Convention, which is not without serious ramifications for our own rights and protections and for trade. So not something to rush at like a bull at a gate for the sake of an exceptional case.

@5128gap So not something to rush at like a bull at a gate for the sake of an exceptional case.

"Exceptional case" My Fat Aunt !

There are 100s of migrants crossing the channel every week and applying for asylum because they are "fleeing war and persecution."
The last I heard was, that there wasn't actually a war in France. The last war in France was WW2 🙄

The exceptional case I'm referring to is the one I was speaking to PP about. That of the 18 family members who had been refused entry by our home secretary. A decision that was overturned by an immigration tribunal. This situation has come about due to legal technicalities, and the government are expected to tighten rules accordingly. It is by no means an everyday occurance.
If it were, do you really think the Mail wouldn't be running such stories every day? Tribunals are after all a matter of public record.

How does tightening the rules work with the ECHR right to family life?

I'm no expert, but as I understand it the rights usually apply only to 'immediate family members'.
This was extended in respect of refugees from Ukraine to wider family. Then an Immigration tribunal applied this to refugees from Gaza, and in the case of the 18 the tribunal appeared to have followed this precedent.
The government in September suspended the family reunion scheme that extended rights beyond immediate family, and are now looking at tightening the rules so refugees have to meet the same requirements as all British Citizens with regards to visas, income and language before family members can join them.
Certainly, given the home secretary appealed the tribunals decision on this case twice, there is no appetite in government to allow such cases to become the norm.