I didn’t realise Starmer was viewed so badly ,,

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He came into government at a challenging time - I didn’t realise his confidence score was so so The fatal flaw that brought Keir Starmer crashing down to earth

https://www.thetimes.com/article/8e98de80-1d48-4d1a-8408-ff4d48e1957c?shareToken=44bb913634621653058dd12f864e3eff

Should have said hundreds of thousands of pounds of gifts

I think he is ultimately a decent man but is no politician.

I think he is ultimately not a decent man but is a politician.

Why is he so unpopular with Labour MPs then? They know him best and presumably aren’t taking their views from right wing outlets.

Then why did only 20% vote Labour?

Plus the local elections swung away from Labour.

Labour MPs are moving on this because they do get feedback on Starmer on the doorstep,

Me too.
I also think Rachel Reeves is one of his biggest problems. She's behind most of the unpopular policies and he should have got rid of her ages ago. She's a conservative dressed up as a labour chancellor.

Exactly right.

We have to decide who we are as a country and have the politics to support that. We obviously used to be known for having very clever inventors and engineers and then for our entrepreneurialism. Now I honestly dont know. Post WW2 we lost our manufacturing industry and became a financial services industry but I’m guessing that’s not really the case now? Or if it still is I assume AI is going to come in a decimate that?

Who are we and who do we want to be? People can feel the culture changing along with immigration which is why I think there’s so much worry about that. Too much reliance on benefits, not enough work or employment opportunities. Apathy and dumbing down of education and standards. Acceptance of crime and erosion of general societal standards.

Football fans have also been known to chant "get yer tits out for the lads" so I'll take what they say with a huge vat of salt.

Don’t try and lump her into the Conservatives!!! She’s a Green Party member if anything.

The reason why football chants are interesting is that football fans were historically working class and Labour was literally meant to be the party for the working man. Now whilst football might have gentrified somewhat the working man is still there, and chanting, and they hate Labour.

Yes it’s far better to realise that you’ve made a mistaken to soldier on and implement it no matter what the consequences isn’t it ?

I think he made a mistake in allowing her to present a budget where the means testing of the WFA was so badly thought out. I agree that it should be means tested but the threshold was set too low. It's now too high. That decision has had a profound effect on his popularity unfortunately. I think he does have a sense of duty and I'm saddened that he seemingly has no alternative but to resign now. Incidentally I'm quite amused by some Labour MPs who are toadying up to Burnham. Those MPs were confirmed Corbyn supporters when Burnham last stood in a leadership contest.

And Starmer especially. It’ll come up too on the doorstep and Labour MPs will know how people feel.

I think the gifts started the rot. Plus lefty MPs unwilling to vote for any cuts. Burnham is Blairite turned Corbynite so could be another Truss.

That's simply not true. If you look at, for example, X, it's quite anti Starmer. Then look at Bluesky, it's totally frothing in its hatred of Starmer.

The left wing media and Labour MPs have totally abandoned him and are 100% behind Burnham.

That's the problem.

There’s been mention above of the Employment Rights Act and how it hugely strengthens employment protections.

I speak from experience when I say that it would’ve been a far more effective move to properly fund and reform the employment tribunal system. It’s creaking and ready to burst; some areas are listing hearings for 2029 and 2030. Waits of 12 months for a basic preliminary hearing.

If justice delayed is justice denied, then there is no justice (for employees or employers).

But rather than do that, the government lower the service threshold for unfair dismissal and introduce laws to INCREASE its workload.

As for employee “protections”, they’re not protections if you’re waiting 2, 3, 4 years for a hearing should you have to enforce them.

Have you been living under a rock?

Wasn’t it more of a case of his backbenchers refusing to back any cutting of the colossal welfare bill?

IMO Starmer is basically a good, honest bloke, but he’s lacking on the personal front - not an inspiring speaker, no air of optimism, and he always looks worried! (As well he might, admittedly) - OK, it’s possible to err the other way (Boris) but there should be a happy medium.

Some people now feel that way about the Labour leadership. It is better to realise the party was mistaken and change it rather than soldiering on no matter what the consequences.

For me, refusing adequate funding to the armed forces is actually dangerous. This isn't just the political game at play. There are serious repercussions for the weakness displayed by the current government and PM in particular

Far better to think through your policies properly in advance. And if you have major policies you want to implement that affect the country then at least mention it in your manifesto!

Her two budgets have been the two biggest tax and spend in budgets in history. What more would you have liked her to do?

Why hasn't the far-right won any of the recent by-elections, then?

As I said I'd have liked her to think through the means testing of the WFA properly.

Imo an honest bloke doesn’t pretend that he thinks some women have a penis just to appease a movement of bullies attempting to deny women some basic rights.