I didn’t realise Starmer was viewed so badly ,,

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He came into government at a challenging time - I didn’t realise his confidence score was so so The fatal flaw that brought Keir Starmer crashing down to earth

https://www.thetimes.com/article/8e98de80-1d48-4d1a-8408-ff4d48e1957c?shareToken=44bb913634621653058dd12f864e3eff

In terms of war in Iran - the reason we didn’t respond to an attack on our territory by the viscous and colonial Islamic Regime in Iran, or the numerous terrorist attacks that regime attempted but fortunately intercepted, was nothing to do with national interest…

So is Andy U-turn-Burn-ham.

You've heard of algorithms, right? My little corner of Twitter is very pro-Starmer, but sadly I know why that is.

I bet they could - immigration. And no, the subsequent lack of controls on immigration is a political decision, not a Brexit requirement.

If all you’re seeing is pro Starmer content then no you won’t see why he’s going. Labour MPs at least know their jobs depend on votes.

My attitude isn’t dismissive; no one has ever even broached the subject with me, probably because on a day to day basis it doesn’t have a huge impact on their lives.

For clarity, I actually agree with a lot of what you’ve said. My point is that when I have conversations people just don’t mention it. They do mention not being able to see a GP, or get a dentist, or that they’re on a long waiting list, or their kids school being underfunded, or cost of stuff in the shops, or that train services are rubbish and expensive, or immigration. It’s those issues that most people are voting on.

I bet they could - immigration. And no, the subsequent lack of controls on immigration is a political decision, not a Brexit requirement.

I don't think anyone has said it's a Brexit requirement, they have said it's a Brexit consequence, which is different. It is just racism in a lot of cases. This is just blaming other people for the problems the country has. It's not coherent thinking and it's not fact--based.

Claiming concerns about immigration is ‘just racism’ is exactly why Labour is so disliked.

Are you like that Green candidate merrily denying that the addition of several million more people to the uk population has no impact on housing?

I still see plenty of anti-Starmer stuff on here and elsewhere and the majority of it is either untrue, exaggerated or empty rhetoric/abuse. Most of the MPs who want him gone are either those who never wanted him the first place - Corbyn's old cronies, power--hungry weasels like Streeting, or incredibly naive panicking people from the 2024 intake who are absolutely delusional if they think any new leader is going to be able to solve all the problems and be left alone by the press while they try and do so.

No they were happy of course to get in. As they hear more on the doorstep they get what an electoral liability he is. So they’ll oust him.

People don’t like him because of things he says, gifts he accepts, policies he introduces or back that were not in the manifesto.

Are you like that Green candidate merrily denying that the addition of several million more people to the uk population has no impact on housing?

No I'm not. We definitely need to be building more houses and I think there has been some progress on that front but not enough. Are you like all the people who fail to appreciate that we need immigration and our NHS and care system would pretty much fall apart without it. And we need more working age adults coming in too as our population ages and birth rate continues to fall.

People don’t like him because of things he says, gifts he accepts, policies he introduces or back that were not in the manifesto.

Lol - what on earth has he said to deserve the level of vitriol sent his way? What gifts -- the glasses that people lost their shit about 2 years ago - that's the reason to throw the country into utter turmoil? All parties ending up doing things that weren't in their manifesto as they have to respond to events and the reality that may not have been totally clear beforehand. I do agree they should have been more forthright with the public about the horrendous state of public finances (the extent they knew about) beforehand, but I can see why they didn't. The electorate largely don't want honesty - they seem to want jaunty slogans delivered by someone 'charismatic'.

Starmer relied on slogans and soundbites more than any. Smash the gangs, money in your pocket, toolmaker, just nonsense lines rather than an ability to talk.

On needing people to do jobs start with the NEET issue. Young people need to work.

I live in a working class community and I have heard rumblings about gender politics from all generations. My DH was travelling in a very woke gender-affirmative country last month and even restaurant workers grumbled about it to him (unbidden). It’s on a lot of people’s radar. The general consensus from everyone is supporting the GC viewpoint that @CornishDaughteroftheDawn points out.

It may not be top of everyone’s voting priority but it’s very naive to assume that this isn’t a big deal. I was a full on Andy Burnham supporter until I read that he was a TWAW sheep. Now he’ll never get my vote.

No I'm not. We definitely need to be building more houses and I think there has been some progress on that front but not enough. Are you like all the people who fail to appreciate that we need immigration and our NHS and care system would pretty much fall apart without it. And we need more working age adults coming in too as our population ages and birth rate continues to fall.

If population is set to fall then we don’t need new housing and we most certainly don’t need an influx of low skilled males. What we need is to encourage highly skilled workers through VISAs.

Ok, @EasternStandard . I just can't wait until the new PM is installed and all the people who won't support any Labour government no matter what, start with the 'he has no mandate,' comments. I bet you anything you'll be among them.

With Starmer, I think the problem is less that nothing has happened and more that there isn’t a defining achievement or narrative that most voters can readily identify.

Well keep reading then as you do.

I’ve already posted re the GE issue and getting Burnham in. You can catch up on those.

I get you still want Starmer in, but you really are in the minority now. Not even his own party agree.

I likes Starmer but accept he has to go for Labour to be in with a chance of winning the next election.
They've acheived loads but the press and public focus so much on the negative.

Renters rights - finally enacted. Tories were dragging heels as LL don't like it.
Employment rights improvements.
Leasehold reform - needs to be done as owning a flat shouldn't mean you are exported for repairs and maintenance with no real way out.
Bringing train companies back into public ownership.
Starting to sort out the water company scandal.

Theres alot more that can easily be googled
https://labour.org.uk/delivery-feed/

Basically when you have a government who believes in public services being delivered by the public sector (as compared to the right wing approach of criticise, defund and monetise for profits) then the country will run better and people will have better employment in the public sector that provides better standards of living for families.

This doesn't go down well with the wealth hoarders.

Leasehold reform will damage the giant property holders and put power and control back into the hands of homeowners.

The right wing defund the public sector border services/home office so immigration worsens after the already devastating blow of brexit. Labour are trying to get the process operational again and have reduced crossings and actually allowed the applications to be processed.

Why on earth people cannot see that the wealthy classes, who also control the majority of the press and have the money and ability to influence social media, want rid of labour and are manipulating everyone so this happens is beyond me!

Lots of people on here claim that it’s an unavoidable result of Brexit, then decide that all the people protesting about immigration voted for Brexit, then triumphantly claim that they brought it in themselves in order to shut them up. I see it on here a lot.

What evidence do you have that everyone tho raises concerns or protests about immigration is racist? Is Trevor Phillips racist?

You do realise that plenty of people who are unhappy with Starmer's performance are intelligent individuals capable of critical thought and decision-making based on actual evidence?

But he was never popular and only won the GE because Sunak caused the Tory vote to collapse. Starmer got barely more votes than Corbyn at the prior election when Boris won a landslide. Starmer didn't "win" the GE, Sunak lost it for the Tories.

You can't have a PM who people are regularly singing negative songs about at sporting events. I've never known that happen before.

Funnily enough a website full of Labour spin. No one is stupid enough to believe any that rubbish, thank goodness.😂

Which elements of it aren't factual?