I didn’t realise Starmer was viewed so badly ,,

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He came into government at a challenging time - I didn’t realise his confidence score was so so The fatal flaw that brought Keir Starmer crashing down to earth

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Yes. Why the fuck anyone actively wants that job is beyond me constant abuse from all sides? No thankyou.

I think part of the problem is the public is accostomed to performance PMs. He's a get your head down behind the scenes type.

People bang on about how he came for the disabled and yet cheer on far right parties who have made no secret of the fact they hate the disabled. We got a reform council recently and they're closing down all the Stanleys. Its horrifying..

People were sold that the EU was something that was done to them by the media so they made a vote on that. Things have got worse for them so the compass is swinging elsewhere to find blame.

Personally I don't think that the general public should be told so much information. Collectively people are thick.

Personally I'm terrified of more instability in government. Starmer kept us out of trumps war. That takes stones. I feel far safer with him in charge than I would with anyone new.

And OP, how you can come on here with a faux innocence and write that title is laughable. I assume you don't live under a rock and probably just trying to stir the pot.

Of course it’s the back benchers, many of whom oversee communities where the majority of their constituents are reliant on benefits and have large families. They were never going to be in favour of it.

Are you suggesting OP is a troll because you don’t like the thread? Now that’s never happened before. Weird.

I disagree. Anyone with teen children are very aware of the issue. Certainly when it was at peak popularity it was a big issue for parents. It however wasn't safe to discuss outside a close circle for fear of cancellation, which is why you might not not have had it raised around you.

However Kier stating women can have a Penis and Lammy saying a man can grow a cervix, rightly lost enormous credibility. We all knew Kier didn't believe what he was saying but felt he had to say it to shore up his cool kid credentials. Worryingly I think Lammy actually thought it was the case!!

I remember clearly on Mumsnet, the optimism posters felt that we were getting a Labour Government. Posters genuinely felt that things were going to get better quite quickly.

Instead it’s been a shambles. The only thing Starmer has got right was not being bullied by Trump into joining in with the Iran war.

I think my biggest bugbear is how the government have penalised small businesses. This has been a disaster for those businesses, people’s livelihoods and the economy. How can they not see that?

Agree.

You appear to have appointed yourself as speaker for ‘the general electorate’ in dismissing something that quite a large part of the electorate do have concerns with on a thread where we are discussing our concerns with Keir Starmer.

What is your agenda in dismissing that as a valid criticism of him? Can you refute that criticism and prove that he is trying to make his government follow the law and support women’s rights to single sex spaces?

Cool, did you not know that starmer was viewed badly either?

No. I'm commenting on the general concerns I see raised in the media and by people I speak with. And those concerns don't reflect the one you raise as a priority.

I said at the time he was he "Rebound Guy" "naice" background, smooth enough not to frighten the swing voters, a response to the anti semitism issue, not tied to any extreme policies, no hidden scandal (until Lord Ali popped up) hes the kind of bloke that makes your parents sigh in relief when you bring him home after you break up with Mr Wild and Sexy.

Personally I don't think that the general public should be told so much information. Collectively people are thick.

so you are smart and no one else is?

This isn’t true though. Just look at the countries following the Nordic Model of economic and social policy. They’re not in a spiral of decline. They invest a lot of money in their public services, including education and it’s working out very well for them.

Embracing neoliberalism (including by slashing the welfare budget) is likely to have unintended consequences for the UK. Looking at countries from around the world, there is a strong correlation between a high level of income inequality and high rates of violent crime (including murder), plus a lower life expectancy.

Dude, people rang the police when KFC ran out of chicken.

Apparently so. It’s more a leader issue.

Nice side step to avoid a deletion 👍

I think part of the problem is the public is accostomed to performance PMs. He's a get your head down behind the scenes type.

I think there is a lot of truth in this. But I also think that the public view of politicians generally was damaged very badly by the Conservatives over lockdown. People don't trust politicians, including the PM, to be getting on with things behind the scenes.

A lot of the rise in popularity of Reform is that they are talking about things that people are concerned about.

The fact they don't know their own arses from their elbows is irrelevant to a lot of people because they feel heard and that Reform underatand what is concerning them.

NO they won't leave. They like it here and 70% actually want to pay more tax. ( They'd barely notice an extra 5%! We have more billionaires than ever.) I think the CEO of Thames Water got £1.4 million last year for polluting our water! He should be prosecuted/jailed and Thames Water taken into public ownership. No compensation.

I’m not sure about that. I was watching one of the Stephen Bartlett podcasts and actually Triggernometry also and they were saying an awful lot of entrepreneurs have gone. I think it’s the crime that’s doing it more than the taxes.

1. Reducing payments for disabled people and evicting them to make way for illegals.
2. Backtracking on frugal payments to Waspi women who are in poverty.
3. Saying repeatedly on camera that women have a penis. Even after the Supreme Court said gender is biological, what we are born with.
4. Removing winter fuel payment to elderly pensioners.
5. Attacking farmers, so much that some farmers committed suicide. We nearly got no food on the shelves.
6. Putting up employers National Insurance so that businesses went bust & laid off staff, refuse to hire staff.
7. Removed VAT relief on private schools, so that those kids were dumped on public schools, which then pushed out vulnerable kids from schools. The administrative costs recovering this money costed 5x than the costs it saved.
8. Sold off the Chagos islands which we had to pay for selling off our own territory! He then said he wanted to give Gibraltar back to Spain and consider giving back the Faulklands to Argentina.
9. Starmer then prosecuted soldiers for decades who were doing what the government of the day told them to do. Some soldiers committed suicide as they were hounded, harassed, fined through the courts.
10. In the first month, released one third of all prisoners, some of who immediately went on to kill again.
11. Allowed 1m mass immigration a year. 1in 1 out failure, stop the gangs lies.
12. Backtracked completely on the Labour 2024 manifesto.
13. Brought in scraps to jury service, which means for the average person, better not get fitted up by police on trumped up charges (see local police report using AI to fabricate evidence to convict someone they didn’t like).
14. Forced in digital ID, again to fit up people they don’t like, like stopping your bank accounts.
15. Flip flop cowardly pathetic desperation demeanour when he had 14 years in opposition to work out policies. Came to govt with no policies. Policies done in 2 minutes on the back of a fag packet, which they backtracked on when it turned out they were totally unworkable in practice & the population hated the policies & there would be rioting on the streets if brought in.
16. Outright lies, propaganda and Polit bureau in-fighting within the Labour Party.
17. Blaming all his Labour policy mistakes on the Tories, Brexit, Ukraine, Iran, Elvis, Elon Musk, Trump, Madonna, the weather. Anyone except himself.

"Outright lies, propaganda" is quite amusing, given the context.

So instead of acknowledging that this is a valid criticism of Starmer and like it or not concerns many people in general (especially when they become aware of it), you dismiss all that and want to police the concerns with Starmer that women raise on this thread?

How very Starmeresque.

I think water should be in public ownership but I don’t think it would be better managed if it was.

Liads of companies have moved out of the country both because of high and unpredictable tax regime and because of high energy costs due to ‘Net Zero’ which is a total fraud. Billionaires certainly haven’t left their wealth within the uk! But the big owners of many large corporations are actually pension funds - the places that pay workers pensions.

I'll put money on it that pretty much all the people chanting that could not give one coherent, fact-based reason why they think so. It's like all the Brexit supporters who were so desperate to leave the EU but could not name one law they disliked that was enforced by it or one tangible thing they would be able to do afterwards that membership prevented. It was either made up bullshit like Johnson's bendy bananas, or nebulous bullshit like take back control.

Keir Starmer hasn't been perfect and I don't agree with everything he has done, but broadly speaking he was on the right lines. God knows what will happen now.

Of course people don’t have to vote for Starmer / Labour. And if he’s the reason people are voting everywhere else then Labour MPs will oust him.