I didn’t realise Starmer was viewed so badly ,,

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He came into government at a challenging time - I didn’t realise his confidence score was so so The fatal flaw that brought Keir Starmer crashing down to earth

https://www.thetimes.com/article/8e98de80-1d48-4d1a-8408-ff4d48e1957c?shareToken=44bb913634621653058dd12f864e3eff

What do you think of Burnham and will you still vote Labour at the next election?

The Starmer is a wanker line has been mainly brought about by Labour though - they're desperate to kick him out and get Burnham in, and have been since the 2025 local elections.

He let the backbenchers smell his fear when the welfare reforms fell through.

That was the beginning of the curtain falling for him.

Wait until you discover how much support the far right has… you silly people living in delusional echo chambers. Your bubble is going to burst hard, lol.

You really didn’t realise that?

How?

If you read papers and use SM, which you obviously do, it would be impossible to miss.

Not sure why so many people forget or don’t understand that Starmer only got into power because Reform split the right wing vote. He got less votes than Corbyn.

Starmer has never been popular and is universally detested. He, ironically, owes his landslide to Farage.

True but the failure to make the most of the good policies is also a failure of the Labour comms team. The anti-Labour media would also have no material if it wasn’t for the repeated fuck ups.

The “island of strangers” speech was a classic example. He said it, maybe shouldn’t have, there was a bit of a hoo-ha but let’s be honest, that would’ve lasted a week at best before everyone forgot about it. Instead we have a grovelling retraction, which serves no purpose.

The media are biased against them but they also need to stop fanning the flames with needless errors and a failure to talk themselves up.

Say this repeatedly, Starmer is not the issue, so many policies he has tried to introduce which might actually help the economy and the country have been reversed when his back benches have thrown up their arms in horror and refused to back something that might touch welfare. At some point people need to realise the country simply cannot continue spending the amount it does on welfare. Non pensioner disability and incapacity benefit has risen by £24 billion since 2019, it’s simply unsustainable and will that change under Burnham, almost certainly not

@Flatinbed
Google or chatgpt the u turns made by Starmer versus the decisions/legislation made.

Claude says: Winter fuel payments, welfare reform (PIP/Universal Credit cuts), grooming gangs national inquiry, day-one unfair dismissal rights, farmer inheritance tax, digital ID, two-child benefit cap, income tax threshold freeze, local elections postponement, pub business rates relief, employer National Insurance, WASPI compensation.

That’s quite a lot. I think it’s been more damaging for Starmer because: I) labour has a massive majority, so U-turns aren’t expected (or are a sign of someone not in command of his own MPs); II) the baleful habit of trailing negative policies and news and then dropping it, especially on finance, so getting all the political pain of tough choices without the benefit of actually doing them; III) he has disappointed both the centrist pro-growth lot and the leftist pro-distribution lot by flitting between the two.

I did know, as many people have hated him (really hated him) for many months now. But I was surprised when I heard that too. He just seems bland a bit weak to me. Not a figure to invoke rage and hatred at all.

But I am also a lifelong Labour voter (until this year when I voted Liberal Democrats for the first time in the local council elections) and think he and probably Rachel Reeves need to go. I think the fall out with John Healy over blocking funding to the military was the nail in the coffin for me and I'm sure many others.

“I totally agree. The uk is in huge debt. The cuts and lack of investment over the last decade or so have been too harsh and brexit is going to harm future prospects. The public's expectations of what a goverment can achieve is too high. Then they pin the blame on one person. Also politics is so toxic now that the talent pool is getting smaller.”

Flatlined is absolutely right. it’s ridiculous what people expect after decades of underinvestment.

Most people don’t follow politics or the news to understand this. Kier Starmer has been accused of lying because no politician would get elected if they told the truth about what is needed to fix the UK. We can’t keep paying out benefits and pensions that no one wants to pay for. We need to pay more tax if we want good services. But people want to carry on having multiple holidays abroad and all life’s luxuries

Stopping illegal immigration will barely hit the surface, tough decisions are needed..

The far right has little support even if you Restore voters keep pretending it does

I think the feeling of loathing is mutual.

He took days to comment on Henry Nowaks murder, has still not commented on the multiple stabbings in Edinburgh by an immigrant (or many other attacks by migrants) but has jumped into this one with both feet and possibly an attempt to prejudice a fair trial.

Interesting that he has ruled out mental health issues so early - even before the man has been properly assessed. Thankfully the victims didn’t receive serious injuries and Keir seems to have missed the fact that they were not all Muslim.

From his X account:

Keir Starmer • @Keir Starmer. 11h S ...
Absolutely appalling.
No one should face violence on our streets.
The suspect appears to be motivated by anti-Muslim hatred. I will not tolerate this - he will face the full force of the law.
My thoughts are with those who are injured and I thank the police and the emergency services for their response.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2xg6lwz5jo?app-referrer=deep-link

I can’t help thinking politicians might be better served if they stopped commenting on stuff like that on social media and just ran the country. Of course, then they wouldn’t care.

@Flatinbed

Also, with the employment rights act, they have hugely strengthened protections for workers.

Case in point: they announced day-one unfair dismissal protection and then dropped it. That’s just bad management. They get one set of headlines about the law, then another wave about the part-reversal.

Those who support day-one rights are left feeling betrayed, and those who oppose don’t feel any gratitude as the U-turn shows Starmer didn’t understand what he was proposing.

But he hasn’t done anything to try and fix our situation.

He’s been accused of lying because he made promises to get elected but then hasn’t even been visibly trying to fulfil those promises. He’s more bothered about silencing public opinion and narrative management.

He is also pushing forward with many things that nobody voted for and he knows nobody would want.

I was unfortunate enough to be at a train station with a bunch of tommy robinson wankers on the day of the unite the kingdom march who were all singing that - if those are the kind of people you mean

You could see the issue as soon as he took office - accepting hundreds of thousands of gifts from his rich mates then looking peevish when questioned about it.

But then going on to declare Labours traditional working class background ‘far right’ because they objected to the murder of young girls really exposed his authoritarian streak that he has since doubled down on.

Yes this has been part of his problem. He has announced these policies that in some cases will have a huge detrimental effect on people, then u turned but often only partially, leaving the upset and detriment unresolved, people unsure and unconfident of the future and all the bad feelings remains.

One of the jobs of government is to create stability and give the economy its best chance. Instead he has repeatedly created turmoil and division.

His divisive views on immigration and Islam and trying to silence us using underhand techniques to ‘manage’ public opinion has made him an extremely destructive PM and I perceive him to be against the interests of many of us.

The vast majority of the country doesn’t hate him, it’s the right wing media whipping the gullible into a frenzy.

And I say that as a floater voter.

Hundreds of thousands of gifts?

Funny how media holding government to account is always presented as ‘anti’ the government.

I presume you support Starmers new announcement of using the BBC as a government propaganda tool that must be prioritised over all others on the internet?

That’s a rather negative generalisation about many members of Labours formerly core voters.

You do know that Tommy Robinson is just the messenger reporting on the actions of Starmer’s government? I don’t think many actually listen to his opinions, afaik he’s mostly just reporting things that are happening, like the rape gangs, they have formed their own opinions based on their own experiences - especially people who are now a racial/religious minority in their own towns.

If Starmer’s government didn’t keep acting against the interests of people of British origin, TR would have nothing to report on.

"Floating voter" I think?

Indeed, and a modicum of critical thinking would lead us to ask "who gains from British instability?"