If you are Reform are you ok with this repulsive man potentially becoming an MP and representing women in parliament?

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Robert Kenyon, the “cheeky local chappie” who is standing for Reform in Makerfield is on record as making some shockingly sexist comments and statements. Reform are standing by him.

Can I ask the women on here who are Reform voters if they are ok with the him remaining a candidate given what I cite below. Btw I am absolutely not, but I’m not and never will be a Reform voter for a variety of reasons.

1. Retweeting a post about performing a (graphic description) of a sexual act on Carol Voderman.
2. He has attacked women as being promiscuous and accused them of taking any decision to have an abortion lightly. He wrote, “reproductive rights, women's rights, they can dress it up all they want.
3. They're deciding to kill a baby inside the womb. What they mean is they want to shag anyone they want. And if they get caught, they get a second chance and treat it as a secondary, last form of contraception.”

Either you think this is ok (don’t understand how anyone let alone a woman could be ok with it) or presumably you’ll be contacting Tice and Farage etc to drop him.

Interested in your thoughts.

No idea what that is supposed to mean.
I'm asking you what makes you think a thread about misogyny and Reform voting is a thread about the working class.

The OP never mentioned “working class”, it’s specifically aimed at Reform voters. It’s you
who has conflated them.

I haven’t conflated anything. I said not all reform voters in that constituency support Bonnie Blue, because that was what was being implied. Somehow that has become me saying all working class people are Reform voters. My comment about the working class getting a hard time on here, which they do, was a broader point. How anyone can’t see that and has chosen to ‘take offence’ is crazy.

What you said is there for all to see. You said that linking Reform voters with support for BB is ANOTHER EXAMPLE of how the working class are mischaracterised. Which clearly means you see either Reform voting or BB supporting or both, as something to do with being working class.
You are quite correct that WC people get a hard time on here. We are constantly wheeled out as the face of Reform. Said to hold all sorts of views many of us find abhorrent. Told that the repulsive Kenyon is typical of men from our background. Assumptions made constantly about what we are concerned about, and if any of us try to say, well actually no, I'm more concerned about misogyny than immigration, we are ignored.
When you say the WC get a hard time on here, I'll take a wild guess you're not referring to those things though.
Because what you actually mean is that Reform voters get a hard time on here. You think the two are synonymous. I'm telling you, they are not.

Ok so you are deeply offended I believe that all working-class people vote Reform and it’s your job to school me that isn’t true.
Got it.

I wasn't deeply offended no. However it was offensive of you. I'm glad you've 'got it' now.

I suppose we will have to agree to disagree. Just because you read something in my statement doesn’t mean it’s true. And believe it or not, I know my mind better than you do. I have no doubt this is amazing news to you.

🙄

As the OP I hadn’t been thinking about class. I’m purely focused on Kenyon and his vile attitudes to women. This is 100% not about class. It’s a question to Reform voters… not all of them are working class. Look at Farage, Tice and the like…

I get that OP and genuine apologies to you for the derailment.
As I explained I was making a broader point. I just think it’s amusing that someone has decided to be offended over this when I have been as clear as I possibly can that I don’t actually believe that ALL working class people vote Reform. On any level that would be a ridiculous statement to make and it’s baffling she would be so offended.

Farage has missed the last 70+ votes in Parliament too. Wonder what he is doing with his time? Oh that’s right, all his cameo videos 😂

Can you explain the broader point you were making about the working class, and what made you decide to make it on a thread about Reform and misogyny, that has nothing to do with being working class?

Why do you think you can demand information from me? You think I am of the opinion that EVERY working-class person in the UK votes Reform and that is offensive. I have tried to explain my thought process already and you don’t accept it. I’m not sure how any further explanation would improve your understanding?

Asking a poster on a discussion forum 'can you explain. .?' isn't a demand for information its a quite normal thing to do if you want to clarify a point. It was two specific questions which you could answer, or ignore if you can't answer them.
I don't think we are understanding the discussion in the same way though, so, not to worry.

But would you potentially vote for a different Reform candidate? If having a new candidate doesn't bring in more votes than the current candidate, thete isn't much incentive for them to change their candidate

@WheresMyHatGone you mentioned a dodgy interview Kenyon did. Labour MP Emma Reynolds interview with Nick Ferrari was a total car crash, and she has made it to a ministerial position, so clearly poor interview technique isn't a barrier to political success 😂

It is in a campaign trail.

'I don't know what my party' s policies are but pease vote for me to represent you on behalf of the party'

I would agree. Complete car crash.
However I feel my point is still relevant, if I were standing to be MP of a party I would at least ensure I had at the very least a basic knowledge of its policies so that I could discuss them with constituents. He had no clue.

Absolutely agree with you.

I can't understand how, in a country of many millions of people, the only ones who end up leading our country are such idiots - surely there must be better people out there than all these idiots!

If I was Reform minded and if they changed to a more acceptable candidate (this is of course for me theoretical as I hold no truck with their policies) yes I would probably vote for Reform candidate no 2. It would give me confidence that the leadership wanted right minded people in the party. But that’s not happening, and that sends a clear message. If I was Reform in maker field I would possibly vote Tory, spoil the ballot paper or maybe have an epiphany and see the light and vote for a sensible candidate from another party. No idea who’s standing, but frankly the Monster Raving Loony party might get my vote. Or Lord Buckethead…

He had no idea about ANY of Reforms policies and deflected every question about it with 'I will have to have a deeper look into that'. He is as thick as two short planks

He gave a lengthy answer to the immigration question, ticking lots of boxes along the way (quite cleverly I thought). He managed to bring in a whole host of things including pub closures, HMOs, aspiring to own your own home, a thousand migrants crossing the Channel in one day, taxpayer billions, threats to national security, child safety, stresses on infrastructure - whilst also talking about 'sensible immigration', welcoming people who come to Britain legally to contribute, culture and integration...

The interviewer also said he appeared confident on local issues. Certainly he couldn't answer several questions, e.g. on the Equality Act - however, I don't think it was the car-crash interview people are suggesting.

I don't necessarily defend his comments, particularly the bad taste tweet. Agree with his general principle on abortion.

Abortion is a personal choice, if you don't agree with it then don't have one. But you don't decide on other people's bodily autonomy.

It's one comment out of many. He shows exactly how he thinks about women.

Which is rude and unkind. But stills seems rather mild in comparison!!

Posts unearthed by the I Paper found that Kenyon had claimed that women who have abortions get them for “vanity purposes” and so they can “shag anyone they want”, while a separate investigation by the Independent found that Kenyon had posted that women can’t “ref, drive or give directions”, that women presenting rugby games on TV “aren’t up to the job and only there to tick a box” and that he had declared: “I’m sexist, sorry but I am.“

didn’t he also call for people to be hung and compared Covid restrictions to the 3rd Reich?

I mean, seriously. Calling somebody a cow is not comparable to claiming that women (aka women in general / all women) get abortions for vanity purposes, can’t do their jobs and are incapable of something as comparably basic as driving!

and why even bring up the greens when OP is asking about Kenyon? Who is certainly not a member of the greens?

That's your opinion which you are entitled to. I disagree. I don't consider it a matter of 'bodily autonomy' as a baby is a separate human being.

I am glad you agree that it is a personal view.

It's a wider aspect on how Kenyon views women, do you agree with his views on women other than abortion?