If you are Reform are you ok with this repulsive man potentially becoming an MP and representing women in parliament?

[Johnogroats]

Robert Kenyon, the “cheeky local chappie” who is standing for Reform in Makerfield is on record as making some shockingly sexist comments and statements. Reform are standing by him.

Can I ask the women on here who are Reform voters if they are ok with the him remaining a candidate given what I cite below. Btw I am absolutely not, but I’m not and never will be a Reform voter for a variety of reasons.

1. Retweeting a post about performing a (graphic description) of a sexual act on Carol Voderman.
2. He has attacked women as being promiscuous and accused them of taking any decision to have an abortion lightly. He wrote, “reproductive rights, women's rights, they can dress it up all they want.
3. They're deciding to kill a baby inside the womb. What they mean is they want to shag anyone they want. And if they get caught, they get a second chance and treat it as a secondary, last form of contraception.”

Either you think this is ok (don’t understand how anyone let alone a woman could be ok with it) or presumably you’ll be contacting Tice and Farage etc to drop him.

Interested in your thoughts.

Interesting.

I have a (genuine and honest) question:

let’s say I was about to die and a blood donation (or kidney donation, bone marrow donation…) from you personally was the only way to safe me. Would you support a society that would force you to make that donation to keep me alive? Would you support criminal or other kinds of legal consequences if you refused to make a life saving donation to safe a fellow human?

Not really. As I said, I'm not going to defend them. But I'm not losing sleep over them either.

Not at 12 weeks gestation.

A baby has a heartbeat at 12 weeks.

Even if you agree with an anti abortion stance, his approach is profoundly stupid.
Any man who disagrees with abortion who is trying to bring about change should be urging other men to use condoms.
If he has a platform and respect of other men he could use this to persuade them that the power to resolve the issue already lies with them, without the need to fight for restrictions to women's rights.
Which even if he's OK with that, brings huge additional social problems. I mean, our society really needs women to be forced to birth children they don't want and may be ill equipped to provide for. Who will pick up that cost and responsibility does he think?
He is obviously entitled to his views on abortion. Where I take issue is that he isn't intelligent enough to have thought of the obvious way to resolve the issue, and his misogyny is blinding him.

It still can’t survive outside the womb.

Yes, agreed.

Exactly.people are sick of Labour and don't want to vote Tory. The Greens are dreadful. The LD's are not worth considering. What's left.

If what is left is Reform then I would suggest that Kenyon's views are something you'd agree with as well as Reform's.

They are showing exactly who they are, nobody can claim they don't know what they voted for.

I can imagine that turn out will be pretty low, there are no decent viable options for a person with moderate views as far as I can see. So those who do vote are likely to be those with more extreme views

Oh, come on. Burnham has perfectly moderate views. You just don't like them. He isn't even on the left of the party. I presume the Lib Dem also has moderate views.

I imagine turnout will actually be extremely high. It’s a very close two horse race. I’d crawl on my hands and knees to vote if I lived in Makerfield.

I was responding to the previous post which stated people are sick of Labour (very much so), and yes, I don't like Burnham's policies, or the way he has has manoeuvred himself to try to be PM. And I disagree his views are moderate, labour are already getting us way to far into debt as a country, and rather than tackle that, he wants to make it even worse, leaving our children with a huge debt. And I worry about him potentially calling an election and Reform getting in. One reform MP is far better than a total Reform government.

Not necessarily, only if they vote for him.

There being (what a person feels to be) no decent option is a reflection on the candidates and the parties who put them up for election, not the voters.

Burnham is a huge advocate for tackling child poverty.

The ideas about his spending plans came almost single handedly from The Telegraph. But again those views are not especially left wing.

As a left wing Labour voter I can assure you Burnham is a moderate. I like him but he is way to the right of me.

People who are fed up of Labour after barely giving them a chance were going to be 'fed up' no matter what imo.

One more Reform MP paves its way to a government.

I think Farage has shown himself to be an even more despicable man over the last couple of days. You wouldn't ever get Burnham inciting riots.

People are perfectly entitled to their views on abortion, particularly on time limits. However, saying that women lie about being raped when they want an abortion, or that women who have abortions are “slags” is completely unacceptable.

saying that women lie about being raped when they want an abortion

He quite clearly did not say that.

that women who have abortions are “slags”

Is that a direct quote?

This is

One 2019 post said: “I agree totally with the anti abortion stance, it’s legalised killing of babies.” In another, the account said women seeking abortions were “deciding to kill a baby inside the womb” and described many abortions as being for “vanity purposes like unwanted pregnancies”.

didn’t he also call for people to be hung

You have reminded me that John McDonnell said Esther McVey was "a stain on humanity" and also repeated a comment that she should be "lynched". He refused to apologise and was subsequently promoted to Shadow Chancellor.

He also said he wished he could go back in time and kill Maggie Thatcher, and that IRA bombers should be honoured as heroes. Idolising terrorists (whether you agree with their cause or not) is something we should be shutting down, not appointing to shadow cabinet!

Unfortunately you are talking about some of the most deprived parts of Wigan, like; Platt Bridge, Abram, Worsley Mesnes. Flags all over the place, it's basically a Reform homeland.

There’s a fine tradition of political insults. These may amuse/outrage some of you.

https://theideaslab.substack.com/p/a-collection-of-political-insults

Why are you bringing up John McDonald?

People without a uterus still should not be able to make decisions on what happens to someone with one regardless of this.

We had our first door knock yesterday and they said current polls are showing only 3% between Burnham and Kenyon.