To think prisoners should be safe in prison?

[BlueJuniper94]

Is this an unreasonable belief? I know Ian Huntley committed horrific crimes and I really do sympathise with the feelings that he deserves it in light of what his victims have suffered and continue to suffer.

BUT - this shouldn't be allowed to happen in prisons. Aibu?

How about protecting the prison staff who are needed to protect you from those people?

Yours is such a brainless argument. Prisons have to be safe for everyone inside them. Especially those who have to work in such a difficult environment, and get safely home to their families each day.

Holly and Jessica HAVENT been forgotten. Any time they have been mentioned the image is of those 2 lovely little girls in Man United shirts 😪

I’m never sure what planet people live on when they say stuff like people should be kept safe in prison.

People walking the street can be unsafe all day every day, people in their own homes, people at their place of business who have no concept of doing bad stuff to others can be harmed.

Once in a while the people who harm others end up in prison with a whole other group of people who’ve most likely caused harm to others.

It is incredibly childlike and naive to think anyone could be “kept safe” in that environment. It is a high risk environment and even in the safest of environments people cannot be guaranteed safety. That is an occupational hazard of being a human.

Yeah I don't really get why anyone would frame this as just violent prisoners attacking each other. If someone is disgusting enough to rape and murder two children, or to murder 3 people and rape the pregnant one before they kill her, they can hardly be trusted to leave the staff alone!

Yes, good riddance to bad rubbish, I say !!

The idea of incarceration is to remove someone's right to freedom because they've committed a crime. The trouble with only doing that is we don't do enough to rehabilitate and give them a purpose when they're released. Not to say we don't do any, but our system doesn't deter reoffending at the same level as some other countries.
Some people don't think it's enough for someone to be locked away. It must be awful for most people to be in prison, even without the drugs, phones and weapons that seem to make their way in. More needs to be done to stop this, but with everything else it's been woefully underfunded for a long time

Objectively of course they should be safe. Objectively when we can be 100% certain that a conviction is rock solid, there are categoroes of crime that warrant the death sentence. However, how can we ever be categorically certain, even with a confession? Lucy Letby and Jeremy Bamber have not confessed but were convicted. I am not categorically certain of their guilt.

Whole life tariffs are reviewed after 25 years so prisoners are not entirely without hope of release

In this case however someone has clearly blown whatever chances they had

Im sorry but there is no rehabilitation for someone like Huntley! He should be chucked in a cell and left to starve to death.

If there’s anything I’m going to be losing sleep over it certainly won’t be Ian Huntley or any child ker Paedo or R*t

Not violent criminals like that. Chuck them all in a pit and let them fight it out. If you raped and murdered women and children you deserve to live the rest of your life in abject fear. I think that should be an integral part of the prison system.

I think we're too kind to our prisoners and too lenient on criminals while being not nearly compassionate enough towards victims

The title of the post is about prisons generally. And treatment of whatever form to prevent actions like his happening again are surely beneficial for the whole of society.

I am guessing it’s likely someone who will either never be released or like a lot of prisoners ‘no longer wants to be released’. Some prisoners prefer it on the inside to the outside because it’s been their home and their routine for so long. A lot of these ‘high risk’ prisoners have nothing to lose.

He had raped a pregnant woman and murdered three people and attacked an old lady. I'd like to think that scumbag would never see the light of day either. He didn't do it from a twisted moral compass position. He did it becuase Ian Huntly was famous and it will give him prowess and protect him from the same thing happening.

Whether categorically certain of the guilt of Letby and Bamber or not, we can be fairly certain that both were wrongly convicted. Such evidence as there was and the handling of it by the authorities has been widely discredited. We don't have trials in the UK, we have pantomimes. "Oh yes he did!"; "Oh no he didn't". Shouting the loudest or tugging the heartstrings hardest gets either the prosecution or the defence case over the line. Our courts are better at burying the truth than exposing it.

People should be safe everywhere. Huntley has done the crime, he's doing his time, it's not part of his punishment to get attacked, and it's not the job of other prisoners to provide justice. If that kind of precedent is set, where will we be?

We do not have physical punishments in this country, that is not our justice system.

Obviously I don't feel sorry for him, but it can't be condoned, and should never have been allowed to happen.

YABU. Paedophiles and people who seriously harm or kill children deserve every bit of violence and degrading treatment they get.

@BlueJuniper94 I agree with you 100%. It gives me no pleasure that Huntley has been attacked. We do not delegate the administration of justice to criminals.

They do their best but when you put all the worst people is society together and then make them very bored, there will be violence. The ones doing the attacking should not be glorified like they are but the fact is there's a lot of violent people on the outside too.

Yes, he killed those girls and caused damage to society more widely. I don't care either. A civilised country doesn't have the death penalty or vigilante justice but he's one of the exceptions to my mind (others would be Wayne Couzens or Robert Black who is thankfully dead now).

However, there are lots of men inside for non-violent or sexual crimes, and they should indeed be safe.

They should be safe in prison.

The problem is that the only way of ensuring that would be to have all prisoners in isolation all the time. I believe that that was how things were handled in the Soviet Union.

I don't have first-hand knowledge of the system, but I attended a lecture on the Soviet prison system. If you landed in prison, you were effectively in isolation; the more humane alternative, apparently, was going to a gulag where you could at least interact with others and get fresh air...The gulag was rather awful, but not as bad as being in a prison (according to the chap who had done the study.)

@igelkott2026 If you believe in a civilised society and no death penalty there are no exceptions. No vigilantes and no violence from one prisoner on another or we become even more lawless. Prison is the punishment and no exceptions. Who gives anyone the right to condone violence on behalf of people they have never met? It’s been the case in some families that murderers have been forgiven. These families might not condone more violence. The main thing arising from this case was the safeguarding legislation.

I've seen an unconfirmed report that Wayne Couzens has been attacked. Ill see if I can find it. I was on my way to pick up DGD from school so couldn't read it

I think two little girls should be safe when out playing.

Lots of punching the air going on today!