To think prisoners should be safe in prison?

[BlueJuniper94]

Is this an unreasonable belief? I know Ian Huntley committed horrific crimes and I really do sympathise with the feelings that he deserves it in light of what his victims have suffered and continue to suffer.

BUT - this shouldn't be allowed to happen in prisons. Aibu?

Another one that hasn't mentioned the prison officers. They should definitely be safe

Prisons are not nice places it's no surprise there is violence.

It won't ever stop.
Those that think it should go and tell your ideas to the people in charge of prisoners.
Let's see if you can stamp it all out. Thought not.
Easy to say online it should stop,, getting it to stop all round is a different matter.

There's quite a shortage of prison officers too are you surprised by that.
Cutbacks and also people not wanting to do the job.
Can't blame them, how depressing having to work with the dregs of society every day.

I'm not going to pretend I didn't laugh when I heard the news but yeah, you're right. And the poster who talked about the families having to see his nasty face all over again made a good point I hadn't thought of.

Prisons, like most public institutions are desperately short of staff. Many of the staff are poorly trained in how to control these prisoners, poorly paid and often subjected to assaults.
Military forces should be brought in to control them.
I believe that the death penalty should be brought back for those who rape and murder children. Longer sentences should be meted out to keep violent offenders off the streets.
I hope Huntley dies, but then of course there will be long drawn out, very expensive inquiry into why the attack took place, where were the screws (who will probably be blamed)
Another nasty piece of work who is no longer breathing is a win, IMHO

People aren't safe outside of prison. They should be. But they're not.

In an ideal world no, but he has been in prison a fair while now and the odds on it happening were ever increasing. Prisoners have a keen hatred of child abusers/killers.

The state can't afford to imprison certain criminals due to lack of prisons and if we can't afford to house prisoners correctly or provide adequate guards it was always going to happen.

But then in an ideal world, he wouldn't have done what he did, to those two young girls so I will shed no tears over the repeated assaults against him. If that makes me mean, I can live with that.

Sadly we are all human and humans are flawed.

True, he did it to score points in order that he could ascend the prison hierarchy. Boost his self image, be transformed from 'average bad person', to 'bad person who is admired by the other bad people'.

True.

Well said.

You don't know why he did it?
Some people do like to have a pop at notorious killers.
Same happened to the Ripper.
It did say they had an argument first but nobody knows apart from the person themselves or possibly the prison
It's wrong to say you know why, when you don't

I’m not sure how we keep people who are dangerous safe from each other.

Of course you are not being unreasonable.

And it’s nothing to do with having sympathy for any particular individual. It’s perfectly possible to have both thoughts in your head “I don’t have any sympathy for this individual” and also “I don’t think violence in prison is a good thing”. Not least because being a prison officer is probably hard enough even without having to deal with extreme violence.

Hmm lets see, lets take the most violent, depraved members of society and put them all together in small sites surrounded by walls and barbed wire so they can not leave. Now I wonder if they will all play nice or if they will attack each other????

Seriously OP???

Not every single prisoner has made an active choice. The dozens of imprisoned subpostmasters, Andrew Malkinson, Sally Clarke, Barry George, Stefan Kitzko, the Birmingham Six, the Guildford Four, the Cardiff Newsagent case, all exonerated after evidence of DNA, police malpractice, statistical errors etc, all wrongly imprisoned, some of them for decades. These are only the ones off the top of my head. There are hundreds (yes, hundreds) of innocent people in UK prisons today - and many more guilty criminals walking free - due to the incompetence, corruption and cronyism of our blinkered, pig-headed and inflexible justice system.

If you are already on a full life tariff, with no chance of parole, what have you to loose by attacking someone. It must be very difficult to maintain order in prisons in those circumstances. Can’t say I have any sympathy though.

He MURDERED two little girls. I'm annoyed they didn't let him bleed out and save us the 48K it costs us to keep him alive whilst Holly and Jessica turn to ash and are forgotten.

Well this is it. I understand why people get enjoyment out of Huntley being attacked, I had a frisson myself initially. But if it was the person it's being reported as, an equally accurate way of describing this event would be 'man who raped and murdered a pregnant woman plus two others attacks again'. One would imagine the response might be different then.

And that is why I don't advocate the death sentence, but that is another topic.

Yeah they should be. Do I have sympathy for Ian Watkins or Ian Huntley.. Absolutely not.

Exactly I'll thought out thread, just for attention . Think it through yourself before you ask such questions

It isn't allowed to happen. The person who carried out the attack will be convicted and sentenced for the crime.

They tend to put the particularly nasty ones in the same places, so there is bound to be a risk. They could put them in solitary confinement but most would probably rather take the risk.

Don't forget Kyle Bevan recently,. He killed and tortured little Lola while her mum was in bed.
He was done in too. Smashed up in his cell.

If he hadn’t committed awful crimes he wouldn’t be in prison to be surrounded by the dregs of society to be harmed…
I have no sympathy what so ever, of course you’re not going to be safe when you are literally surrounded by criminals.

Except it won't matter in this case as he is in for the rest of his life.

I think young girls and women should be safe outside prison.

Let violent offenders do as they please with each other.

Yes a lot of people would