To think prisoners should be safe in prison?

[BlueJuniper94]

Is this an unreasonable belief? I know Ian Huntley committed horrific crimes and I really do sympathise with the feelings that he deserves it in light of what his victims have suffered and continue to suffer.

BUT - this shouldn't be allowed to happen in prisons. Aibu?

I disagree with you totally, I beleive in a civilised society and I believe no death penalty, but we do not live in some fantasy lala land where violent criminals do not exist, so these yes are the exception to a civilised society as, they exist. They walk amongst us,

They are not civilised and yet they are part of our civilised society, and no I don’t believe good men or women should be made to kill them.

do I condone as in overlook or accept them killing each other, yeah I do. Because that’s what they do. They are part of our so called civilised society, we should punish them for killing the innocent, for killing each other, but if it happens then I don’t care about it, i waste no tears on the victim, because there is only so much us as innocent people should do and pay to stop them killing each other.

no civilised society is all good upstanding citizens, and I don’t give a flying shit if they kill each other, I only care if they kill innocent people. We should give them the protection we do, it is much more than they afforded their victims, but no more and I waste no tears for Ian Huntley or his like.

I find it hard to care about his welfare.

My thoughts are entirely with his young victims. If you want to talk about peopel being safe - Young girls like Jessica and Holly should be safe to walk around a village in the UK without a monster like this murdering them.

Where Ian Huntley's concerned, I think it should be positively encouraged. I think he should have no respite from danger and pain whatsoever.

Absolutely, and I can’t believe anyone is bleating about civilised society like we should protect these child murders and rapists more than we do.

these are monsters, they afforded their victims no protection. They carried out the most brutal of crimes, the most heinous. Ian Huntley was apparently walking round prison in a football shirt to mimic his victims, trying to bully the man who attacked him. So the man has now all but killed him, he may actually have succeeded, time will tell. But when he was in there taunting his attacker it’s not on us to put good officers lives at risk spend even more money to protect him;

give them the protection we do. If they want to continue to behave like monsters, then it’s on them and they take the consequences.

Are you on another planet OP?!
He brutally sexually assaulted and murdered two little girls ffs.
As a mother, I cant even comprehend the pain those parents have gone through let alone the thought of my own children being subjected to such a horrific end.
I would happily condone this prison vigilante behaviour for the rest of his existence and I hope its absolutely agonising for him. The sweet release of death is too kind of an escape for the parasite

No. I don’t care what happens to vile prisoners like Ian huntley. If they’re murdered or beaten then so be it 🤷🏻‍♀️

I thought the news saying he was “fighting for his life” was odd terminology. If you are in prison forever then why bother. I feel sorry for the medical staff having to treat him and having to use their skills to help that monster.

@Notsosweetcaroline Their liberty is taken. That’s the punishment. We’ve moved very far from a civilised society as can be witnessed on this thread where violence is applauded. Yes, uncivilized people do indeed roam amongst us and write posts too. Would you just like these people to have a fight and you bay for vengeance from the ringside? The uk is clearly far from civilised.

But hey we are a civilised society, so we should all work a little bit harder, all pay a little bit more to protect these monsters as they continue to behave in their abhorrent way behind bars,

no, not for me, my money can go to the victims of these crimes, or sick kids and schools, not one more penny should be spent on these sick fucks,

Prisoners like Huntley should be kept in segregation - it used to be called Rule 43 - basically prisoners who are at higher risk of violence from other prisoners are in their cells 23 hours of the day, with an hour of exercise on their own.

This is how it was when my MIL was a prison visitor - I don’t know if it still is.

Absolutely they should be safe in prison. Just like women should be safe walking home in the evening and children should be safe going to the shop for sweets.

How can you guarantee everyone’s safety 100% though? The only way would be to keep everyone in solitary and even then they could harm themselves.

Solitary confinement is an option but most prisoners would rather take the risk of mixing a bit. Huntley was already in a limited contact provision.

They should be safe in prison, I agree.

However, I also think we should bring back the death penalty for serious crimes against children.

Do yiu understand what civilised means? It means in this context morality and humaneness. It means we house, feed and protect these monsters, we care for them when they attack, maim each other, we protect them when they taunt each other, we give them a warm bed, clothes, food, that’s our morality and humaneness.

does it extend to spending a small fortune protecting them from each other at the expense of other areas, like medicine or education, no, because that is immoral. Does it extend to weeping over their battered bodies, working harder to protect them, at the expense of others, no, because that would be both inhumane and immoral. We don’t have endless pots of money, we don’t have an endless supply of innocent humans we should put in their way to protect them,

for me what you suggest is the antithesis of civilised as the onky way your Eutopia can exist is to take the medicine off sick kids, teachers our of schools. Police officers off the streets. Or to plunge the population into more poverty paying for tnem,

I can only assume you don’t understand what civilised means, because it is much more balanced than let’s protect the monsters.

Prisons should be safe, for everyone, but they aren’t .. due to poor funding, recruitment, training, processes, buildings etc.

Huntley - don’t care what happens to him. I do care about the Prison officers who are also in danger a these out of control places. The non-violent prisoners being terrorised, the proliferation of drugs. People come out worse criminals than they went in.

There needs to be a proper review, and they need enough, well-trained, officers to bring back discipline. It supposed to be a punishment, as well as a rehabilitation, but we seem to have forgotten the first part .. it’s all single cells, TVs and PlayStations

I'm more concerned about little girls being safe from murdering child rapists.

Yes, prisons are supposed to be disciplined. A failure by the prison service. But I don’t suppose anyone (including me) cares that much.

Bad things happen everywhere.

If you are saying you should be safer in prison, where's the logic in that? Surely EVERYWHERE should be safer?

Me too, I’m more concerned about a fair distribution of tax money, I’m more concerned about rhe people who work and pay taxes to protect these animals. To feed them clothe them give them a warm bed, if in the end nature wins and they taunt and kill each other, then I shrug and look away, we did the best for them we could with the resources available, the rest of the money should be spent on the innocent. Not taken from the innocent and spent on the monsters,

Thats morality, that’s humaneness, that’s a civilised society,

Seems fine to me. Huntley opted out of civilised society when he murdered two innocent children, so now he can live in and deal with the concsiquences of the 'society' hes helped create among his peers. Sounds close to real justice.

It shouldn't happen outside of prisons either but it does.

As long as there are shitty people, shitty things are going to happen to others. Given that prisons contain a lot of fairly unpleasant people, some of them are going to do some fairly unpleasant things to others.

Short of keeping Ian Huntley in solitary confinement, this was always going to happen really, no matter what you put in place to mitigate it.

Weird take. I don’t believe anybody thinks crime, wherever it happens, can be eradicated but when it does we don’t just throw our hands up and say it’s inevitable.

Thinking prisoners shouldn’t be attacked isn’t the same as expecting it’s possible to guarantee it won’t.

Fucking hell, that's horrendous. And people have been saying he should be released early! Hell no.

I don’t think you’re unreasonable in principle but of all the prisioners to trigger such a thread, nah. Fuck him.