To think prisoners should be safe in prison?

[BlueJuniper94]

Is this an unreasonable belief? I know Ian Huntley committed horrific crimes and I really do sympathise with the feelings that he deserves it in light of what his victims have suffered and continue to suffer.

BUT - this shouldn't be allowed to happen in prisons. Aibu?

I wouldn't care if those sort of criminals all killed each other. Wastes of space, energy, time and money.

How do you know, were you there?

Jesus

Mumsnet have became facist so gradually I didn't even notice...oh wait no it's a complete cesspool as this thread shows.

I think OP you'd have done better to have come at this from a different angle.
If you had asked is it right that our prison system is failing so badly that monsters like Andrew Russell have the wherewithal to indulge their murderous natures at his majesty's pleasure, you may have recieved a different response.
Because just because this time the triple murderer and rapist of a pregnant woman chose another monster to attack, there's nothing about Russell to suggest a noble vigilante who would only attack those who deserved it. His own victims certainly didn't.
Russell is supposed to be being kept where he can't hurt anyone else. Clearly this is not the case and next time the victim of this failung system could be an officer, or a fellow inmate who wouldn't meet the generals public's 'deserve to die' threshold.
So yes, it is a problem OP, because none of the murderers in prison should have the opportunity to indulge in their crimes again.

Couldn’t give one fuck if they are or aren’t.

The trouble is not everyone in prison is guilty. And yes I would expect a prison officer to try and diffuse the situation as much as possible.

I couldn't give a shit. As someone who is a victim of a criminal who ruined me and my families lives I really really do not care what happens to these sorts of people. They didn't care when they were outside killing, raping and attacking innocent people.

You're grasping here. The vast majority of prisoners are guilty. And there is a huge leap between de-escalation and getting in front of a metal bar being used as a weapon by a highly dangerous prisoner. I'm sure you'll trot out the line that 'they chose to do the job' but risking being killed yourself with a metal bar and leaving behind your family for 40k a year and to protect convicted child murderers is not de-escalation.

The trouble with cat A prisons is they are quite literally ‘monster mansions’, there’s zero hope of rehabilitation for those people and most of them will never see the light of day again. If you know your sentence is already life-long or near enough, you have nothing to lose. This attack is unlikely to have been a well-intentioned vigilante, just as with Watkins it’s far more likely to be money related.

Nobody in cat A is a decent person and I can say that with a degree of certainty. I’m also sure no one is losing sleep over those people being attacked. In ways you have to admire the medical staff who work to save them, knowing they’re working on subhumans.

Is he dead yet ?

it was on the BBC site and now it’s gone.

If not I hope it’s a slow and and extremely painful death

I couldn’t care less what happens to this type of prisoner in prison. They’re not on my radar at all. I saw the news flash about Huntley but knew nothing else about the attack until I came on here to read this thread out of curiosity. I’ve read 2 pages and I still don’t care so I’m leaving now.

The number of innocent people in UK prisons at any one time is in the hundreds, possible even the low thousands. Ten thousand people a year are imprisoned on remand and subsequently found not guilty. The known miscarriages of justice represent an underestimate. The appeal court wrongly upholds convictions. The time taken to correct wrongful imprisonment makes the figures worse.

So the vast majority are guilty then? Which is what I said.

Yes. Also, a significant number are not guilty.

Of course all prisoners should be safe from violence in prison

acts of violence on prisoners put the staff at higher risk

the prison will now be harder to manager as you will have a steeped up level of aggression now think about that when celebrating IH getting attacked of staff having to manage a number of men with very violent histories who enjoy being violent

I don’t want Ian Huntley to die. I want him to live a long and nasty life in prison.

Yes. And let's not forget the £20 million the MoJ (the tax payer) paid out in compensation to prisoners assaulted in prison over the last 5 years. The enquiries staff are put through each time they happen. The jobs on the line or lost, the stress while they find who to hold accountable. The benefit to Russell from the pleasure he would have taken in the act and the way his status will be elevated.
I think some people are so invested in the idea that the more blood thirsty a revenge they can think up for a killer, the more they are seen to care about the victims. Ignoring the fact that support for even the death penalty is very divided amongst the families of victims, never mind advocating for execution by triple murderer.
While people are stuck in the mind set that advocating for prison safety for reasons of legality, finance and pragmatism means you don't care about victims as much as those ranting about boiling oil, its difficult to have a reasoned discussion.

Great post.

The “loony lefty” allegations and performative glee because of the understandable hatred towards the target here are pathetic.

You either believe in the rule of law and a criminal justice system controlled by the state or you don’t. I do.

If Huntley had attacked and almost killed Russell would people be saying Huntley deserved to get out? They are both terrible people. Huntley isn’t worse than Russell really. He’s just more well known.

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The reason these people are in a category A prison is because they would be high risk of danger to the public if they escaped. That means they are the sort of people who are also very likely to hurt each other. The fact he has only been attacked a handful of times in last twenty years means it is already safe enough.

Whilst I don’t celebrate his attacker in any way or and think he should suffer consequences I would rather the prison officers’ safety is prioritised over prisoners. The metal bar could have just as easily been used against an officer and that requires answers

For prisoners like them the fear is also part of the punishment. Solitary confinement is not feasible and is probably more inhumane.

money needs to be spent protecting women and children on the outside from these type of criminals before we make life safer for them.

Really not bothered about what’s happened to him as such, but, given the number of assaults reported in prison using various weapons, it does make you wonder how they see to beep easily obtained. He was in a maximum security prison , the same one where three prison officers were seriously assaulted last year, how does this keep happening, presumably due to staff shortages, who’d be a prison officer!!!

We owe a duty of care to prisoners as their freedom has been taken so yes they should be protected. The vile criminal who attacked the abhorrent Huntley has just cost the taxpayer a shed more money. There will already be Solicitors working on Huntley’s compensation claim. If Huntley’s injuries are so life changing that he needs round the clock care and/or specialist equipment he’s likely to be transferred to a Nursing Home where he will get a high standard of medical and Nursing care.

Really ?
I don’t intend to commit any crimes but I’ve always found the thought of being locked up in a women’s prison terrifying enough to act as a deterrent!

Yes, they should but the nature of prisons - not very nice people all in together + not enough undertrained, under paid staff - means they usually aren't. This will not change any time soon.