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To wonder if past trauma was a factor in the Renee Nicole Good murder and that, while not absolving agent, it shows ICE should select agents more carefully?

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Carla786 · 11/01/2026 20:58

Reading this from the BBC, I wonder if the agent was suffering from previous trauma. They had earlier been in the Iraq War and then had huge number of stitches after being dragged by a car while arresting apparently a 'child sex offender' illicit migrant last March.

Thus I wonder if, because Renee Good clipped them with the car earlier(as The Times indicates), shooting at her car as she drove past was less a rational decision borne from evil and more an instinctive reaction from recent trauma with cars on the job?

This is NOT an excuse. But I wonder if it also shows that ICE are selecting traumatised agents who are too dangerous, due to this, to be in that position?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdx4qd4d16no

Person wearing tactical vest leans toward a car with shattered rear window, broken glass visible, trees and houses in background.

ICE agent in Minnesota shooting was dragged by car in June

The officer was injured in a separate case that also involved a car pulling away during an investigation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdx4qd4d16no

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Goldenbear · 23/01/2026 15:54

bemoresloth · 23/01/2026 15:12

You want more pretend Christians?

Ones that hold the bible upside down and are in the centre of prayers being said or are being arrested for solliciting minors (and worse)?

And preach Christianity to everyone else? Project25?

Yes, counterfeit Christians isn't really a selling point is it!

Goldenbear · 23/01/2026 16:00

RingoJuice · 23/01/2026 13:56

Is there not a culture of "machismo" in the U.S. currently then? What are your Trump men going to do to protect their women, I mean obviously they don't objectify them in anyway, it's just 100% respect, like when Trump at Davos was referring to "a woman" from Switzerland who happened to be the President at the time, do you mean they are going to ensure that level of respect for women remains

Trump is a bit sexist, I’ll grant you that. Doesn’t mean I’d have voted for Kamala, who is much worse on the policies I actually care about.

I think Vance will be more media-friendly in this regard. I also think he’ll be more disciplined.

You didn't answer the question? Do the U.S. need to import machismo, it's celebrated in the WH, lord knows how they view the Danish PM or any women in a position of power. We aren't really dealing with a bit of sexism are we!

GoodGriefCharlie · 23/01/2026 16:09

Goldenbear · 23/01/2026 16:00

You didn't answer the question? Do the U.S. need to import machismo, it's celebrated in the WH, lord knows how they view the Danish PM or any women in a position of power. We aren't really dealing with a bit of sexism are we!

Trump is a bit sexist, I’ll grant you that. Doesn’t mean I’d have voted for Kamala, who is much worse on the policies I actually care about.

Not shooting women? Not abducting children? Not ‘grabbing women by the pussy?’ Not inciting insurrections, denying it and then pardoning the perpetrators? Not threatening to take countries by force and then calling them by another country’s name?

Or were you just really concerned about the cats and dogs that were being eaten? Understandable.

ETA - aimed at the prior response, not you 😊

bemoresloth · 23/01/2026 16:20

A bit sexist?

Release the Epstein files

Goldenbear · 23/01/2026 16:29

GoodGriefCharlie · 23/01/2026 16:09

Trump is a bit sexist, I’ll grant you that. Doesn’t mean I’d have voted for Kamala, who is much worse on the policies I actually care about.

Not shooting women? Not abducting children? Not ‘grabbing women by the pussy?’ Not inciting insurrections, denying it and then pardoning the perpetrators? Not threatening to take countries by force and then calling them by another country’s name?

Or were you just really concerned about the cats and dogs that were being eaten? Understandable.

ETA - aimed at the prior response, not you 😊

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Exactly the list is infinite and we are on a thread about a woman being shot by ICE - tbh it is so disrespectful I don't want to understand this mindset and it is truly terrifying!

RingoJuice · 23/01/2026 16:38

Goldenbear · 23/01/2026 16:00

You didn't answer the question? Do the U.S. need to import machismo, it's celebrated in the WH, lord knows how they view the Danish PM or any women in a position of power. We aren't really dealing with a bit of sexism are we!

It’s clear you know absolutely nothing about Latin America. Not so fun fact: the term femicide came from ‘feminicidio’ because it was (and still is) so commonplace.

All you have to do is look at per capita murders of women in LATAM and see pretty fucking clearly the difference.

But I guess you don’t give a shit, do you? Because if you did, you’d actually confront this undesirable aspect of illegal immigration.

GoodGriefCharlie · 23/01/2026 16:51

Goldenbear · 23/01/2026 16:29

Exactly the list is infinite and we are on a thread about a woman being shot by ICE - tbh it is so disrespectful I don't want to understand this mindset and it is truly terrifying!

It is like looking into the abyss. You don’t want it to look back into you.

DdraigGoch · 23/01/2026 17:24

Back to the unlawful detention of ChongLy "Scott" Thao. The one that certain posters want to brush under the carpet on the basis that "they released him later, right?".

Here's a lawyer discussing the matter of warrants. Like the one that ICE didn't have. And even if they did had one, they didn't give the resident an opportunity to answer the door.

Goldenbear · 23/01/2026 17:28

RingoJuice · 23/01/2026 16:38

It’s clear you know absolutely nothing about Latin America. Not so fun fact: the term femicide came from ‘feminicidio’ because it was (and still is) so commonplace.

All you have to do is look at per capita murders of women in LATAM and see pretty fucking clearly the difference.

But I guess you don’t give a shit, do you? Because if you did, you’d actually confront this undesirable aspect of illegal immigration.

Are you actually a woman as your tone is so aggressive, threatening almost? Equally, your points have an air of patriarchal entitlement about them, like women can't decide for themselves whether they feel this is a risk and they are one homogeneous group that all think the same and their safety has to be decided by the men. We know that is not the case as we are on a chat forum where mostly women disagree quite regularly. Why are you infatalising women in this way if you are one?

Goldenbear · 23/01/2026 17:33

DdraigGoch · 23/01/2026 17:24

Back to the unlawful detention of ChongLy "Scott" Thao. The one that certain posters want to brush under the carpet on the basis that "they released him later, right?".

Here's a lawyer discussing the matter of warrants. Like the one that ICE didn't have. And even if they did had one, they didn't give the resident an opportunity to answer the door.

Apologies for the derailment.

RingoJuice · 23/01/2026 17:39

DdraigGoch · 23/01/2026 17:24

Back to the unlawful detention of ChongLy "Scott" Thao. The one that certain posters want to brush under the carpet on the basis that "they released him later, right?".

Here's a lawyer discussing the matter of warrants. Like the one that ICE didn't have. And even if they did had one, they didn't give the resident an opportunity to answer the door.

This is actually a murky topic because they have a warrant issued by the executive. But is it enough? There is precedent that it’s unnecessary to get the second warrant.

I think the courts will need to clarify this. In any case, it seems that one was already in prison(?) and it remains to be seen the whereabouts of the other or whether he had any connection to the family.

RingoJuice · 23/01/2026 17:47

@Goldenbear

Honestly, are you really going with this?

Are you actually a woman as your tone is so aggressive, threatening almost? Equally, your points have an air of patriarchal entitlement about them, like women can't decide for themselves whether they feel this is a risk and they are one homogeneous group that all think the same and their safety has to be decided by the men. We know that is not the case as we are on a chat forum where mostly women disagree quite regularly. Why are you infatalising women in this way if you are one

Not all feminists are left-wing. Nor do we all post in whatever way you deem acceptable for a woman.

DdraigGoch · 23/01/2026 17:56

RingoJuice · 23/01/2026 16:38

It’s clear you know absolutely nothing about Latin America. Not so fun fact: the term femicide came from ‘feminicidio’ because it was (and still is) so commonplace.

All you have to do is look at per capita murders of women in LATAM and see pretty fucking clearly the difference.

But I guess you don’t give a shit, do you? Because if you did, you’d actually confront this undesirable aspect of illegal immigration.

Your "not so fun fact" is going to need a citation. Because the sources I've checked say no such thing. It was first used in English in 1801, and the Spanish translation was first used in translations of [white South African feminist] Diana Russell's work in the 1990s.

femicideincanada.ca/what-is-femicide/history/

RingoJuice · 23/01/2026 18:17

DdraigGoch · 23/01/2026 17:56

Your "not so fun fact" is going to need a citation. Because the sources I've checked say no such thing. It was first used in English in 1801, and the Spanish translation was first used in translations of [white South African feminist] Diana Russell's work in the 1990s.

femicideincanada.ca/what-is-femicide/history/

And? It widely entered the US lexicon from Spanish-language reporting on this subject (particularly with the rise of border maquiladoras). While an English alternative may have existed prior (and rarely used), it was through LATAM feminist activism that it came into wider usage.

And it was (and still is) a very real problem. Everywhere, but in different degrees.

GoodGriefCharlie · 23/01/2026 18:43

RingoJuice · 23/01/2026 17:47

@Goldenbear

Honestly, are you really going with this?

Are you actually a woman as your tone is so aggressive, threatening almost? Equally, your points have an air of patriarchal entitlement about them, like women can't decide for themselves whether they feel this is a risk and they are one homogeneous group that all think the same and their safety has to be decided by the men. We know that is not the case as we are on a chat forum where mostly women disagree quite regularly. Why are you infatalising women in this way if you are one

Not all feminists are left-wing. Nor do we all post in whatever way you deem acceptable for a woman.

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Evidently.

GoodGriefCharlie · 23/01/2026 18:44

Tender age shelters. This is what Trump supporters are responsible for:

https://apnews.com/article/north-america-us-news-ap-top-news-mi-state-wire-immigration-dc0c9a5134d14862ba7c7ad9a811160e

https://www.ap.org/media-center/ap-in-the-news/2018/maddow-breaks-down-reading-ap-story-on-tender-age-shelters/

I’m not sure how to share the footage of seasoned journalist Rachel Maddow breaking down in tears while trying to report on this. It’s on Instagram though, and I don’t want to reveal my identity through sharing it. But you will certainly get the gist from these articles. Evil.


              A crowd fills the Legacy Room at City Hall as Mayor Sylvester Turner speaks during a news conference opposing the proposal to place immigrant children separated from their parents at the border in a facility just east of downtown, Tuesda...

At least 3 "tender age" shelters set up for child migrants

The Trump administration has set up at least three "tender age" shelters to detain babies and other young children who have been forcibly separated from their parents at the U.S.

https://apnews.com/article/north-america-us-news-ap-top-news-mi-state-wire-immigration-dc0c9a5134d14862ba7c7ad9a811160e

DdraigGoch · 23/01/2026 19:05

RingoJuice · 23/01/2026 18:17

And? It widely entered the US lexicon from Spanish-language reporting on this subject (particularly with the rise of border maquiladoras). While an English alternative may have existed prior (and rarely used), it was through LATAM feminist activism that it came into wider usage.

And it was (and still is) a very real problem. Everywhere, but in different degrees.

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So now that your "not so fun fact" has been thoroughly discredited (like pretty much everything else you've posted), you're now moving the goalposts?

Have you considered applying for an apprenticeship under Karoline Leavitt?

GoodGriefCharlie · 23/01/2026 19:15

theemmadilemma · 23/01/2026 19:02

I’d be shocked if this was false frankly:

Homeland Security tried to discredit it (read: lied), but the journalist kept all of the evidence. It would’ve been quite amusing if it just wasn’t more evidence about how horrific they are.

Goldenbear · 23/01/2026 19:16

RingoJuice · 23/01/2026 17:47

@Goldenbear

Honestly, are you really going with this?

Are you actually a woman as your tone is so aggressive, threatening almost? Equally, your points have an air of patriarchal entitlement about them, like women can't decide for themselves whether they feel this is a risk and they are one homogeneous group that all think the same and their safety has to be decided by the men. We know that is not the case as we are on a chat forum where mostly women disagree quite regularly. Why are you infatalising women in this way if you are one

Not all feminists are left-wing. Nor do we all post in whatever way you deem acceptable for a woman.

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I suppose your tone is not very ladylike (joke), what with your effing and jeffing!

Goldenbear · 23/01/2026 19:17

GoodGriefCharlie · 23/01/2026 18:44

Tender age shelters. This is what Trump supporters are responsible for:

https://apnews.com/article/north-america-us-news-ap-top-news-mi-state-wire-immigration-dc0c9a5134d14862ba7c7ad9a811160e

https://www.ap.org/media-center/ap-in-the-news/2018/maddow-breaks-down-reading-ap-story-on-tender-age-shelters/

I’m not sure how to share the footage of seasoned journalist Rachel Maddow breaking down in tears while trying to report on this. It’s on Instagram though, and I don’t want to reveal my identity through sharing it. But you will certainly get the gist from these articles. Evil.

Horrific!

misscockerspaniel · 23/01/2026 19:40

Liam, the 5 year old child detained in Minnesota, has been moved to a processing centre in Texas.

More details emerge of 5-year-old's detainment by ICE - Bring Me The News

DdraigGoch · 23/01/2026 20:20

This is what can happen to people who do things by the book:

This is the sort of shit that I'd expect from Middle Eastern dictatorships.

DdraigGoch · 24/01/2026 02:09

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-agent-minneapolis-renee-good-resigns/

In related news, the acting supervisor of the FBI's Public Corruption Squad in Minneapolis has resigned in protest at pressure from above to reclassify the case from a civil rights investigation to an 'assault on an officer'.

The regime is very keen to prevent a thorough investigation from happening, aren't they? If they are so confident in the actions of Jonathan Ross, why are they interfering?

FBI agent in Minneapolis involved in Renee Good probe resigns

Tracee Mergen, whose FBI squad was involved in the Renee Good investigation and probes into public benefits fraud in Minnesota, resigned last week, sources said.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-agent-minneapolis-renee-good-resigns/

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