To wonder if past trauma was a factor in the Renee Nicole Good murder and that, while not absolving agent, it shows ICE should select agents more carefully?

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Reading this from the BBC, I wonder if the agent was suffering from previous trauma. They had earlier been in the Iraq War and then had huge number of stitches after being dragged by a car while arresting apparently a 'child sex offender' illicit migrant last March.

Thus I wonder if, because Renee Good clipped them with the car earlier(as The Times indicates), shooting at her car as she drove past was less a rational decision borne from evil and more an instinctive reaction from recent trauma with cars on the job?

This is NOT an excuse. But I wonder if it also shows that ICE are selecting traumatised agents who are too dangerous, due to this, to be in that position?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdx4qd4d16no

Sky News today claimed cctv evidence had now been found that she didn’t just accidentally stumble into the neighbourhood. She hadn’t just dropped her child off at school. She along with others had spent the morning stalking ICE around the streets and obstructing an active immigration investigation long before the parts we saw on camera. They were already frustrated and angry at her. She knew exactly who they were. We only saw the aftermath of that morning of her following them. I personally don’t believe she tried to run anyone over. Sadly I think she thought an armed officer of the law would never shoot her regardless if she obstructed them.

@Playingvideogames It’s difficult because soft, sensitive, left leaning men simply couldn’t do this job. They wouldn’t be able to deal with hardened gangsters and drug lords. They would be too scared to engage them.

Or maybe they've got consciences and would object to dragging children out of their beds in the middle of the night.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/immigration-agents-become-increasingly-aggressive-in-chicago

ICE don't deal with hardened criminals, that's what the police do. ICE go for easy targets.

Drug lords? Like the one Trump pardoned?

Almost everyone these days carries trauma. There is no excuse for what he did. You deal with it and get therapy, you don’t act it out on the job. He’s a murdering, woman hating piece of shit.

My son on the other hand told me that the woman apparently severely abused her son

I would recommend that you teach your son how to critically evaluate sources because this is just a wild internet rumour stirred up by the usual suspects rather than anything with any basis in known fact.

I would also recommend that you check up on his browsing history. Just to see if he may be consuming content from Andrew Tate or other extremists.

She had a wife.

Does that warrant summary execution in your book? Apart from the fact that the road wasn't exactly blocked because one of their cars drove past.

A lot of people have wives and aren't lesbians.

She didn't drive into him. He ignored protocol and put himself in the way, shot first through the corner of the windscreen (so to hit the driver he must have been to the side) and then twice through the side window (clearly he wasn't in the slightest bit of danger).

This was murder.

Almost no one commenting so far has actually read your post or the linked BBC article OP, which states the officer was dragged by a car, trying to arrest an illegal migrant who was also a pedophile, a few months earlier and badly injured. From the perspective of his body cam, the car did drive suddenly at him. The driver's wife had called out to her to 'drive'. Those are facts. I am not condoning the shooting, but any speculation about motive needs to include actual facts. From those, it is obvious that he would have heightened anxiety and probable trauma about being dragged or hit. It was less than a split second, he was holding a gun. The driver and her wife made bad decisions, guns should not be legal, for everyone involved it is a tragedy.

It's perfectly legal (indeed constitutionally protected) to protest against ICE. It is also legal to film them while they conduct their human rights abuses, in the hope that at some point in the future they might face justice.

Annoying an officer isn't a capital offence in any free country.

He should not have stood in front of a car. DHS protocol forbids that after an outcry in 2014 where it turned out that officers were routinely standing in front of cars in order to shoot people and claim "self-defence".

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/05/31/317645125/border-patrol-releases-new-use-of-force-guidelines-critical-report

the panel found that in many cases Border Patrol officers were discharging their weapons out of frustration, rather than to guard their safety. It also suggested that officers were purposely placing themselves in front of moving vehicles, and then shooting at them.

The new handbook included these instructions:

— Agents should not discharge their weapons against a moving vehicle, unless it poses a deathly threat. For example, if a person is aiming the vehicle at an agent. The new policy also tells agents not to use their body to block a vehicle's path, nor should they fire at a vehicle fleeing from agents.
— Agents should not fire at people throwing projectiles, unless they fear death or serious injury. Still, the new policy states, agents should avoid "placing themselves in positions where they have no alternative to using deadly force." That means they should seek cover or put greater distance between them and the aggressors.

You'd think that someone with trauma from being dragged might use the time to take one step to the right rather than drawing his gun.

Your post sums it all up perfectly.

I saw a clip of an ex ICE officer of twenty who critiqued the footage. He said you would never walk into of a vehicle which had its engine running. This ICE agent walked in front of it twice recording using his phone. I don’t think the driver was driving at him but trying to get around him. She may had been a pain, getting in the way but that is no reason to shoot her. I think the officers behaviour after the shooting as the car drives off before hitting the telegraph pole is very telling. They turn their backs to the car and don’t turn around until they hear it crash. They don’t act as though they’ve been in a stressful, life threatening situation.

Yes that's what I suspected. He doesn't live with me and we only see each other during visits but he does have unrestricted Internet access.. falling for rumours wouldn't be surprising.he's displayed racist views and has had prevent referrals before . I think it's unfortunately not rare 😢

ThAnk you, this does clarify things. Honestly considering talking to both of them about media and the Internet again . Sad situation with the woman all around. I haven't seen the video but I don't think there's an excuse for what ice are doing there in the US

It could be the case he had something like PTSD, which can make people reactive. But I haven't seen enough information in the public to really say that's true.

The real question would be whether he followed whatever their SOPs are for a car driving off in that situation. Most of the time, those kinds of procedures are trained in a very rote way because typically when a situation like that happens there isn't time to contemplate it, there needs to be an almost automatic reaction.

If that's what the training was for that scenario, it doesn't really tell us a whole lot about who they are hiring, IYSWIM.

So that leaves the tougher, stronger types but they are prone to being trigger happy or too enthusiastic to engage.

Surely the point is that he wasn't tough or strong at all, but extremely fragile.

Indeed, strong people can control their temper.

She wasn't. The videos show cars driving past. The ice agents chose to stop instead of going past.

The shooter in this case worked for border patrol during that time.

So did she deserve to be shot in the face 3 times?
Peaceful protest is allowed by the First Amendment

But that’s not a defence for him, it actually makes him more likely to be prosecuted (it trump wasn’t in charge).

There are two tests to pass for prosecuting someone in his position.
1 - did the incident take place in the line of his work? He would pass that test as it is satisfied that he was working, he didn’t shoot someone whilst out doing a grocery shop.

2 - the reasonable officer test. Would a reasonable officer react in that way. If he reacted due to past trauma, and their training is to react differently (do not stand in front of a vehicle in this position and do not create your own threat to your life) then he would fail that test. A reasonable officer, without his trauma, would not have shot her. It means he should be liable for prosecution.

Is there any source for this abuse of son claim? I'm uncomfortable with throwing these things around while everything's up in the air. Is that on SM only?

PTSD triggers are tragic but not an excuse for murder, if that's what happened. The officer wouldn't have known about Good's son even if that were true- whatever her morality, the officer should not have shot her imo (based on what we know atm)

Do you think it was legal for them to shoot her because of that?

Whatever she did in life, shooting was not warranted based on available info now imo