To wonder if past trauma was a factor in the Renee Nicole Good murder and that, while not absolving agent, it shows ICE should select agents more carefully?

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Reading this from the BBC, I wonder if the agent was suffering from previous trauma. They had earlier been in the Iraq War and then had huge number of stitches after being dragged by a car while arresting apparently a 'child sex offender' illicit migrant last March.

Thus I wonder if, because Renee Good clipped them with the car earlier(as The Times indicates), shooting at her car as she drove past was less a rational decision borne from evil and more an instinctive reaction from recent trauma with cars on the job?

This is NOT an excuse. But I wonder if it also shows that ICE are selecting traumatised agents who are too dangerous, due to this, to be in that position?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdx4qd4d16no

I've just watched the video of ICE's latest murder in Minneapolis. Even some of the ICE agents were clearly not happy with being involved with that, running well clear when their colleague decided to empty his entire magazine into the victim.

Only different in scale, ICE have murdered quite a few people now, and more have died because of the conditions in their concentration camps. But then it took several years before the Nazis started committing mass murder on an industrial scale. They started by deporting people who had hitherto been resident perfectly legally in Germany.

Thanks! I just found her recently, she's great!

Someone else here recommended Pod Save America and I came across them as well, thank you.

I feel pretty helpless that I can't do much to protest beyond boycotting, but I figure I can watch and up vote as many of those fighting against this administration as I can to give them more visibility.

There is a historian called trevorshistoryreels. He said in one of his posts about not being a bystander and instead being an upstander, so I'm trying to do everything I can even if it doesn't feel like much.

Yes, @Gloriia but your side keeps shooting people. It’s a lot of repetition.

They also created large facilities where they kept people in inhumane conditions…

It. Is. Not. Comparable.

Those in the US legally are not being deported. They aren't rounding people up and murdering them. This kind of sick fantasising is not helpful.

If they aren't there legally they are deported sadly it is the law, if I went to the US without a visa I'd expect to be kicked out too.

My 'side'? .

I don't live in the US.

Yes. Your side. You have countless posts obfuscating and supporting what they’re doing. Your side. The fact you don’t live in the US makes it worse, not better.

Not aimed at you, because I think the chances of you watching it are close to zero. But for anybody else reading this response, if you go to LBC’s Instagram page and scroll down approximately 15 videos, there is a perfect comparison between the five-year-old boy detained, Liam, and an extract from Anne Frank’s diary.

The Nazis put people in detention centres too, they didn't start off as death camps.

We are only one quarter through Trump’s term too. The speed with which ICE is escalating is horrendous.

’Sick fantasising’ indeed. I do believe she may have been projecting…

The Minneapolis Police have confirmed the man shot by ICE has died.

Being sent back to your homeland with your father is actually kind of normal. It’s not remotely comparable to a death camp that you can’t leave.

But you know that.

In the video you can see that a woman in a pink jacket is recording the incident at close range. I wonder if her footage will be released. I really hope she doesn’t know the man who was killed.

You do that to law enforcement? Really?

Those in the US legally are not being deported
They're just being locked up in concentration camps for weeks or months, in conditions amounting to torture (fluorescent lighting on 24/7), with poor sanitation encouraging the spread of disease, with no easy access to a lawyer (they're pretty much reliant upon friends on the outside realising what's happened and calling one) and no phone call home for days after arriving. Maybe you see nothing wrong with that.

They aren't rounding people up and murdering them.
Yet. That you know of. Mass executions in Nazi Germany didn't appear until 1941, eight years after the concentration camps.

If they aren't there legally they are deported sadly it is the law
It is also the law that murder is illegal. That judicial warrants are required to force entry into a private home. That freedom of assembly is protected under the First Amendment.

Why is an immigration law (an Act of Congress) more important than the Bill of Rights in the Constitution?

You know, I have fact checked you numerous times, and you fail to acknowledge any of that. Because you don’t care about what actually happened.

I’m not sure if it’s you or someone else, but there are literally people who still say JR was not hit by a car.

People shouldn't speak out?

Oh Ringo, I wouldn’t want you to be traumatised, given your rose-tinted view of ICE, but when you feel up to it, take a look at the footage showing the insides of ICE detention centers. I know what a compassionate person you are, so you might need to steel yourself to do so.

If you’re feeling particularly strong, have a look at Rachel Maddow‘s report on the detention centers specifically for, and I quote the government’s words, people of a ‘tender age.’ You know, children.

We've been around in circles on this one.

You may not believe it's comparable, the facts show they are.

Continually stating your opinion as fact, does not make it so.
The evidence posted on the other hand shows the truth.

Yes, everybody has seen your ‘fact’ checking.

They can give up their asylum claims and leave at any point. Some death camp.

Also, it’s unclear whether you actually need a judicial warrant in addition to the administrative warrant. Apparently there’s a robust argument that you do not (since deportation isn’t considered a punishment but a civil action). I think the judiciary will be called to clarify

Multiple people have in fact, died in ICE detention centers this year. They are known to also be withholding medication from people, aside from those who appeared to have died from violent interactions. Of course, some never make it to detention centers. Some are shot at point blank on the street.

Because your self-styled "facts" invariably turn out to be easily-disproven cobblers.

No. They are often held for days, weeks, months in inhumane crowded conditions with rotting food. Often without any access to a phone call or a lawyer. Take a look at Alligator Alcatraz. Although, I have a feeling you might enjoy doing so.