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To wonder if past trauma was a factor in the Renee Nicole Good murder and that, while not absolving agent, it shows ICE should select agents more carefully?

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Carla786 · 11/01/2026 20:58

Reading this from the BBC, I wonder if the agent was suffering from previous trauma. They had earlier been in the Iraq War and then had huge number of stitches after being dragged by a car while arresting apparently a 'child sex offender' illicit migrant last March.

Thus I wonder if, because Renee Good clipped them with the car earlier(as The Times indicates), shooting at her car as she drove past was less a rational decision borne from evil and more an instinctive reaction from recent trauma with cars on the job?

This is NOT an excuse. But I wonder if it also shows that ICE are selecting traumatised agents who are too dangerous, due to this, to be in that position?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdx4qd4d16no

Person wearing tactical vest leans toward a car with shattered rear window, broken glass visible, trees and houses in background.

ICE agent in Minnesota shooting was dragged by car in June

The officer was injured in a separate case that also involved a car pulling away during an investigation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdx4qd4d16no

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jannier · 22/01/2026 18:05

Gloriia · 22/01/2026 17:50

It would be hilarious is it wasn't such a serious situation but some posters seriously think officers are going round arresting 5yr olds Confused.

They are using children...and this is not the only one it includes the toddler earlier in the week as hostages...come out here and get them thrrats which traumatise the child and they dont give a shit children are collateral damage what human can justify that ...the answer a sick one.

DdraigGoch · 22/01/2026 18:06

GoodGriefCharlie · 22/01/2026 17:59

Yes. Also they had an asylum case pending. This is literally the legal way to go about it. They were in the US legally.

Regardless though, what kind of a person would someone have to be to ever condone this being done to a little boy, regardless of his or his parent’s legal status. To then be someone that lies about it…

Yes, they were going through the process by the book.

It's very clear from this thread which people would have snitched to the secret police in any of the authoritarian regimes of the 20th Century.

jannier · 22/01/2026 18:07

Gloriia · 22/01/2026 17:49

The poster said 'Dementia Don' which is using a serious and distressing medical condition to mock sufferers. It isn't ok. Bit lke calling everyone nazis who are carrying out immigatrion enforcement.

My 'agenda' is to challenge some of the batshit whataboutery and misinformation on this thread.

But your not challenging with facts or rational. Why are you not concerned by the symptoms hes showing? Does his threats not worry you?

RingoJuice · 22/01/2026 18:17

GoodGriefCharlie · 22/01/2026 17:59

Yes. Also they had an asylum case pending. This is literally the legal way to go about it. They were in the US legally.

Regardless though, what kind of a person would someone have to be to ever condone this being done to a little boy, regardless of his or his parent’s legal status. To then be someone that lies about it…

They very likely have no basis for asylum. Few asylum seekers meet those high standards.

If the father has an active case, it will be heard in the detention center prior to deportation, as was the practice prior to Biden.

Goldenbear · 22/01/2026 18:33

RingoJuice · 22/01/2026 17:44

Yeah …. about that ….

https://x.com/dhsgov/status/2014357350329532886?s=46&t=LHu5hEVEgoG4lIIfMesJGA

So the dad legged it and abandoned his kid. Now they’ll be deported because it appears none of the family have a legitimate basis for asylum.

Yes, about that, about the sheer cravenness of these men.

GoodGriefCharlie · 22/01/2026 18:39

Goldenbear · 22/01/2026 18:33

Yes, about that, about the sheer cravenness of these men.

I suspect there may be craven men on Mumsnet these days too.

Goldenbear · 22/01/2026 19:50

GoodGriefCharlie · 22/01/2026 18:39

I suspect there may be craven men on Mumsnet these days too.

Yes- unfortunately!

GoodGriefCharlie · 22/01/2026 21:33

Posted by Karoline Leavitt as well. Anyone surprised? No takers?

Carla786 · 22/01/2026 21:35

RingoJuice · 22/01/2026 17:44

Yeah …. about that ….

https://x.com/dhsgov/status/2014357350329532886?s=46&t=LHu5hEVEgoG4lIIfMesJGA

So the dad legged it and abandoned his kid. Now they’ll be deported because it appears none of the family have a legitimate basis for asylum.

Thank you for the info.

The Guardian recently reported on that. I think they had a fair point here : 'The post did not address why the boy was subsequently also taken into detention. It claimed that parents are asked if they want to be removed with their children, or ICE “will place the children with a safe person the parent designates”.'

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RingoJuice · 23/01/2026 05:25

Carla786 · 22/01/2026 21:35

Thank you for the info.

The Guardian recently reported on that. I think they had a fair point here : 'The post did not address why the boy was subsequently also taken into detention. It claimed that parents are asked if they want to be removed with their children, or ICE “will place the children with a safe person the parent designates”.'

The practice is to deport the whole family together. So ICE does not separate families but takes them into custody together and then deports them to their home country.

RingoJuice · 23/01/2026 05:51

GoodGriefCharlie · 22/01/2026 18:39

I suspect there may be craven men on Mumsnet these days too.

Allow me to address this snide comment, made a few times.

Left-wing feminism has failed us. You have erased the boundaries between male and female, or at least, sat by and done nothing while brave women who spoke out lost their jobs and were shunned.

Now when we try to save our societies, to preserve all that we have achieved (and we have achieved MUCH), you want to undermine us by bringing in people (overwhelmingly young men, btw) that fundamentally don’t agree with these rights.

You are so short-sighted that you believe the people who come here will adopt your ways and we will go on as we have before—except there’s zero evidence that’s happening.

Feminists in America pretend that the machismo culture of South America will not fundamentally change us. They pretend allowing MORE anti-abortion conservative Christians into our country will not change our culture negatively. The sky-high rates of femicide, rape, extremely young motherhood, which could only be the result of rape (look at the Wiki page for youngest mothers and a disproportionate amount will be LATAM) will not change our culture.

You’ll pretend not to understand too. But it happens in Europe. The rape gang culture which your authorities so often ignore (and blame the victims, telling themselves those girls are just slags, etc). There are cultures out there that believe unprotected girls are ‘available’. It is absolutely a disgusting mindset, which if not addressed will mean that our daughters will no longer be able to walk the streets with confidence.

You could rid yourselves of this problem so easily. But you choose to do nothing and sacrifice girls from the poorest, most vulnerable demographics to suffer such abuse.

Of what use is left-wing feminism when it has failed to protect us? Ignoring the most important issues of our time, what do they have to offer us any more?

I believe that there will be more women who start to push back, but I admit that now it’s a lonely place to be. And to be accused of being a man is LOW

bemoresloth · 23/01/2026 08:31

RingoJuice · 23/01/2026 05:25

The practice is to deport the whole family together. So ICE does not separate families but takes them into custody together and then deports them to their home country.

Parents are being given a choice I think. Like in the case of a child with cancer, the mum facing deportation could either take her with her or leave her behind.

All a bit Sophie's choice.

bemoresloth · 23/01/2026 08:52

This video filmed by Ben Luhmann shows the moment a federal agent sprayed chemical irritants directly into a man's face in south Minneapolis.

Three agents already had the man pinned to the ground when a fourth agent walked up and sprayed the irritants.

https://bsky.app/profile/startribune.com/post/3mcy2lqydpp2b

DdraigGoch · 23/01/2026 11:40

RingoJuice · 22/01/2026 16:15

You are the ones spreading misinformation. You make wild claims that you’ll never walk back, you just move on as if nothing ever happened.

Maybe next time you hear a story like that, you’ll wait for the full facts to come out. Usually it takes a day or two …

Oh look, here's some more of your disinformation debunked. Perhaps you should wait for the full facts to come out before regurgitating whatever the DHS said, eh?
www.startribune.com/paul-schnell-prisons-head-disputes-ice-claims/601568598

RingoJuice · 23/01/2026 12:13

DdraigGoch · 23/01/2026 11:40

Oh look, here's some more of your disinformation debunked. Perhaps you should wait for the full facts to come out before regurgitating whatever the DHS said, eh?
www.startribune.com/paul-schnell-prisons-head-disputes-ice-claims/601568598

It actually makes me happy that Minnesota as a state does respect and respond to detainers.

Although I do hope detainers are respected before criminal illegals are placed on supervised release. This article provides no clarity on the subject, and I recall going back and forth with someone (not you) about an illegal alien picked up in Minneapolis by ICE who WAS on supervised release, ie out in the community

But this point sticks out: ‘During a Jan. 22 news conference, Charles said Walz should direct county jails to honor ICE detainments, but Schnell noted Walz doesn’t control county jails’

So the state prison system complies, but the county-level prison systems may choose not—which means that Minneapolis/St Paul is likely the problem here.

Goldenbear · 23/01/2026 13:30

RingoJuice · 23/01/2026 05:51

Allow me to address this snide comment, made a few times.

Left-wing feminism has failed us. You have erased the boundaries between male and female, or at least, sat by and done nothing while brave women who spoke out lost their jobs and were shunned.

Now when we try to save our societies, to preserve all that we have achieved (and we have achieved MUCH), you want to undermine us by bringing in people (overwhelmingly young men, btw) that fundamentally don’t agree with these rights.

You are so short-sighted that you believe the people who come here will adopt your ways and we will go on as we have before—except there’s zero evidence that’s happening.

Feminists in America pretend that the machismo culture of South America will not fundamentally change us. They pretend allowing MORE anti-abortion conservative Christians into our country will not change our culture negatively. The sky-high rates of femicide, rape, extremely young motherhood, which could only be the result of rape (look at the Wiki page for youngest mothers and a disproportionate amount will be LATAM) will not change our culture.

You’ll pretend not to understand too. But it happens in Europe. The rape gang culture which your authorities so often ignore (and blame the victims, telling themselves those girls are just slags, etc). There are cultures out there that believe unprotected girls are ‘available’. It is absolutely a disgusting mindset, which if not addressed will mean that our daughters will no longer be able to walk the streets with confidence.

You could rid yourselves of this problem so easily. But you choose to do nothing and sacrifice girls from the poorest, most vulnerable demographics to suffer such abuse.

Of what use is left-wing feminism when it has failed to protect us? Ignoring the most important issues of our time, what do they have to offer us any more?

I believe that there will be more women who start to push back, but I admit that now it’s a lonely place to be. And to be accused of being a man is LOW

Interesting.

Is there not a culture of "machismo" in the U.S. currently then? What are your Trump men going to do to protect their women, I mean obviously they don't objectify them in anyway, it's just 100% respect, like when Trump at Davos was referring to "a woman" from Switzerland who happened to be the President at the time, do you mean they are going to ensure that level of respect for women remains?

RingoJuice · 23/01/2026 13:56

Is there not a culture of "machismo" in the U.S. currently then? What are your Trump men going to do to protect their women, I mean obviously they don't objectify them in anyway, it's just 100% respect, like when Trump at Davos was referring to "a woman" from Switzerland who happened to be the President at the time, do you mean they are going to ensure that level of respect for women remains

Trump is a bit sexist, I’ll grant you that. Doesn’t mean I’d have voted for Kamala, who is much worse on the policies I actually care about.

I think Vance will be more media-friendly in this regard. I also think he’ll be more disciplined.

RingoJuice · 23/01/2026 14:20

RingoJuice · 23/01/2026 13:56

Is there not a culture of "machismo" in the U.S. currently then? What are your Trump men going to do to protect their women, I mean obviously they don't objectify them in anyway, it's just 100% respect, like when Trump at Davos was referring to "a woman" from Switzerland who happened to be the President at the time, do you mean they are going to ensure that level of respect for women remains

Trump is a bit sexist, I’ll grant you that. Doesn’t mean I’d have voted for Kamala, who is much worse on the policies I actually care about.

I think Vance will be more media-friendly in this regard. I also think he’ll be more disciplined.

Another thing I really appreciate about Trump is that he is really, really not a Christian. Not in a meaningful sense. We need more conservatives like this, tbh (in the US that is, in the UK this is kind of taken for granted)

bemoresloth · 23/01/2026 15:12

You want more pretend Christians?

Ones that hold the bible upside down and are in the centre of prayers being said or are being arrested for solliciting minors (and worse)?

And preach Christianity to everyone else? Project25?

GoodGriefCharlie · 23/01/2026 15:14

RingoJuice · 23/01/2026 05:51

Allow me to address this snide comment, made a few times.

Left-wing feminism has failed us. You have erased the boundaries between male and female, or at least, sat by and done nothing while brave women who spoke out lost their jobs and were shunned.

Now when we try to save our societies, to preserve all that we have achieved (and we have achieved MUCH), you want to undermine us by bringing in people (overwhelmingly young men, btw) that fundamentally don’t agree with these rights.

You are so short-sighted that you believe the people who come here will adopt your ways and we will go on as we have before—except there’s zero evidence that’s happening.

Feminists in America pretend that the machismo culture of South America will not fundamentally change us. They pretend allowing MORE anti-abortion conservative Christians into our country will not change our culture negatively. The sky-high rates of femicide, rape, extremely young motherhood, which could only be the result of rape (look at the Wiki page for youngest mothers and a disproportionate amount will be LATAM) will not change our culture.

You’ll pretend not to understand too. But it happens in Europe. The rape gang culture which your authorities so often ignore (and blame the victims, telling themselves those girls are just slags, etc). There are cultures out there that believe unprotected girls are ‘available’. It is absolutely a disgusting mindset, which if not addressed will mean that our daughters will no longer be able to walk the streets with confidence.

You could rid yourselves of this problem so easily. But you choose to do nothing and sacrifice girls from the poorest, most vulnerable demographics to suffer such abuse.

Of what use is left-wing feminism when it has failed to protect us? Ignoring the most important issues of our time, what do they have to offer us any more?

I believe that there will be more women who start to push back, but I admit that now it’s a lonely place to be. And to be accused of being a man is LOW

So many assumptions, so few facts, zero surprises.

Still not into violence towards innocent people over here orchestrated by a convicted felon. Oh yeah, that would be the president 😊

GoodGriefCharlie · 23/01/2026 15:18

DdraigGoch · 23/01/2026 11:40

Oh look, here's some more of your disinformation debunked. Perhaps you should wait for the full facts to come out before regurgitating whatever the DHS said, eh?
www.startribune.com/paul-schnell-prisons-head-disputes-ice-claims/601568598

I think facts are surplus to their requirements.

DdraigGoch · 23/01/2026 15:37

RingoJuice · 23/01/2026 13:56

Is there not a culture of "machismo" in the U.S. currently then? What are your Trump men going to do to protect their women, I mean obviously they don't objectify them in anyway, it's just 100% respect, like when Trump at Davos was referring to "a woman" from Switzerland who happened to be the President at the time, do you mean they are going to ensure that level of respect for women remains

Trump is a bit sexist, I’ll grant you that. Doesn’t mean I’d have voted for Kamala, who is much worse on the policies I actually care about.

I think Vance will be more media-friendly in this regard. I also think he’ll be more disciplined.

"A bit sexist"?

He's a fucking rapist.

And it's not just women he preys upon, this is a man that boasts about deliberately walking into teenage girls in dressing rooms because he can do so as the rich man who bought a pageant.

There was no way that this man was ever going to keep men out of places they weren't wanted, and he didn't even bother calling himself "Shirley" to do it.

GoodGriefCharlie · 23/01/2026 15:41

DdraigGoch · 23/01/2026 15:37

"A bit sexist"?

He's a fucking rapist.

And it's not just women he preys upon, this is a man that boasts about deliberately walking into teenage girls in dressing rooms because he can do so as the rich man who bought a pageant.

There was no way that this man was ever going to keep men out of places they weren't wanted, and he didn't even bother calling himself "Shirley" to do it.

I was talking to somebody yesterday about how it doesn’t matter what’s in the Epstein files. What has been released already about Trump clearly shows he is a dangerous predator, in fact, we’ve heard it from his own mouth,and his supporters know and don’t care.

Yes, the files should be released, but everybody already knows what he is. It’s just some people are OK with it. It’s hard to believe, but when you look at the comments on this thread, you can see that those people exist - and why there’s nothing that he can do that would change their minds. There is no bar too low for them.

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