To have not lied to DS about trans actor in Last Christmas?

[DungOnATwig]

Watching above with DD17 (lesbian) and DS11 (straight) earlier today. One scene where a female presenting (long hair + fake eyelashes) but clearly biologically male actor plays a doctor (just Dr). DS says "that......lady sounds like a man".

I said yeah it is a man love. A man who identifies as a sex they are not.

DD paused then typed a wee bit more furiously than usual for 30 secs but then was ok. She knows tbf. She's lesbian and not pan.

It was so distilled down to me at the point of his very innocent (and tentative so as not to offend question) that I am not prepared to lie to my kid about the fucking fundamentals of life and tell them that person is a woman. Fuck that.

Merry Christmas 🍷

Also FUCK THAT FILM 😭😭😭😭😭

I don't get it.

I don't understand why it matters so much to you.

i prefer a more neutral response that better aligns with my values. That is a man. Men can present themselves however they choose and there is nothing wrong with making non-traditional choices.

If he is confused, follow up with the specifics that men can choose their hair and clothing and even wear makeup.

Love that film 🤷‍♀️

Yeah he knows who David Bowie is already but thanks 👍

We were all howling 😭

It's been probably a whole day without a anti-trans post on this so I guess we got to put up some numbers. Some people have way to much time on their hands to care about other people's lives 🙄

YANBU. He is a man and you were right not to lie to your child. is your son year 6 or year 7? From year 7, he needs to be a bit clued up on trans ideology because it’ll be a topic of conversation in school.

From both of your children’s reactions, I’d be having a chat about trans ideology, how it’s a very separate thing to sexuality, that it’s a homophobic movement, the importance of biology, the harm this is doing to women, children, especially autistic people etc.

Well no, you can't say 'don't know what you mean darling', so it has to be - yes that's a man who feels more comfortable presenting himself as a woman.

You’re being disingenuous. “Not lying” would be “A man who identifies as a woman” not ”A man who identifies as a sex they are not”.

I agree on your stance, but don’t pretend you weren’t taking one.

So would it be just as offensive to say no different to you having a lesbian daughter? Would that be acceptable? Or do you get to pick and choose on the scale?

Huh?

Good works night oot doll?

@GarlicBreadStan I genuinely don’t understand why some are so willing to think it doesn’t matter.
And why others eg @Ladyzfactor assume those of us who are concerned about this issue are unreasonable to be concerned. Or that it doesn’t affect everybody (not just those who say they are trans)

Because it doesn't matter. Why does it affect you how people identify? It doesn't affect trans people that you don't identify as trans.

Why would you lie to him?

You do realize that this only became an issue because people want to distract you from actual problems. Trans people have always existed. Their existence takes nothing away from yours. The whole propoganda is just a smoke screen.

The obsession people have about this topic on mumsnet is weird and unhealthy. You make this a massive debate and massive problem when it just isn’t.
i would just say ‘biological lol ioóii
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I presume given how your dd was typing immediately after you answered your DS’s question and thinks you were wrong to misgender this actor.
However would she as a lesbian have a relationship with a pre op transwoman.

If yes would that make her straight or if no, why not if she believes that transwomen are women

Wait - so you made your comment, and no one said anything at all in response?
I'm sorry that your very important protest was ignored.

I asked what the film is but it’s in the title. Duh.

I can only assume nobody has said you were or weren't being unreasonable, but just wanted a chance to parrot your anti trans agenda on here.

Job done, so jog on darling.

You truthfully answered a question. Your DC were fine with your answer, so why do you need to ask if YABU @DungOnATwig ?

I wouldn’t bother with all the “identifies” nonsense.
Just say factually “ yes it’s a man, attempting to dress up like a woman”.

I’m teaching my kids biological facts, that of course you can’t change sex.

It’s a man who is dressed as a woman, he may think he is a woman, and call himself a woman, but he is a man.

yanbu.