To have not lied to DS about trans actor in Last Christmas?

[DungOnATwig]

Watching above with DD17 (lesbian) and DS11 (straight) earlier today. One scene where a female presenting (long hair + fake eyelashes) but clearly biologically male actor plays a doctor (just Dr). DS says "that......lady sounds like a man".

I said yeah it is a man love. A man who identifies as a sex they are not.

DD paused then typed a wee bit more furiously than usual for 30 secs but then was ok. She knows tbf. She's lesbian and not pan.

It was so distilled down to me at the point of his very innocent (and tentative so as not to offend question) that I am not prepared to lie to my kid about the fucking fundamentals of life and tell them that person is a woman. Fuck that.

Merry Christmas 🍷

Also FUCK THAT FILM 😭😭😭😭😭

Try reading the OP's post again. Try and understand it this time.

Yeah.

A simple straightforward answer to an accurate observation from her DS - the OP didn’t bring up the subject. And on with the film. Not a big deal.

DH sometimes does similar - it’s not in any way a criticism of a trans actor having a part, it’s more like the ‘isn’t that the actor who played xxxx’ type thing. 🤷‍♀️

This is a really good article, and explains something I’ve been feeling ever since the TRAs started using ‘two spirit’ native Americans as historical confirmation that there have always been trans people.

“In almost none of these societies did two-spirit people born male identify as women. “

This is the most pertinent point, ‘two spirit’ men never claimed to be women, they just felt more comfortable living the way the women of their tribes stereotypically lived/behaved. They are a “third gender”, not ‘a women in a man’s body’

The other really interesting thing this article highlights is that “two spirit” people only exist in the rigidly patriarchal tribes, not the egalitarian ones. The other thing: two spirit people are never born women. Almost all of them, historically, have been men.

I think this expresses my issue with a lot of trans ideology; it cements and defines gender stereotypes, instead of removing them. The whole concept of ‘living as a woman’ relies on the idea that women dress, think and behave differently, but the only reason (most) women do dress/think/behave differently is because they have been socially conditioned from birth* to do so.

So, @DungOnATwig no, you’re not BU to answer your son honestly, although the way you worded it was a little clunky, a simple “they are a man, but they want to look like a woman, so they’ve had cosmetic surgery” is all you need to say.

• https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/magazine-40936719

I cannot imagine making this big a deal of an actor in a film who happens to be trans

I only dish it out to bitter people.

If you can't abide by a trans person receiving the most innocuous, throwaway complement without ranting about how the poster clearly meant that trans women are better at 'womening' than actual women, that women never complement other women on their appearance unless they're exceedingly beautiful, that complements are reserved exclusively for trans people...then yes, bitter fits.

She's saying fuck the film because it's sad

She's making too separate points

It's an actor playing their part in a film.

I don't now the film beyond a plot precis so no idea why the plot featured a Doctor who was apparently trans but they did.

I'm diametrically opposed to the GCF viewpoint and maybe that colours my vision but since you cannot eliminate Trans people you need to rub along.

I agree with this. I am GC but some people on our side take it too far, which doesn't help our case at all.

What they can’t choose is, to be a woman

Good for you! Merry Christmas and thanks for the heads up to avoid that film! Xx

There are plenty of people who would not accept your DD for being gay. Try a bit of tolerence for others just for Christmas

For the clearly hard of thinking, the "fuck that film" bit was nothing to do with the shoehorned in booming-voiced man in woman cosplay and was re: us not seeing the ending coming and being distraught 😭

Funny how kids see right through this shite though innit.........

Right, sprouts to score! Merry xmas all!

You’ll be missing a great film if you do.

It's Rebecca Root who was born male and now identifies as female in a relationship that some call lesbian with a biological female. A fairly well known actor.

In the 2019 film the trans individual Rebecca plays a doctor.

Why will you be avoiding it?

I didn’t notice.

I think you were conforming to gender stereotyping by calling a man a lady just because he had long hair and false eyelashes. So short haired women with no make up are male presenting?
Honestly, you think you're fighting the good fight by having an argument with yourself in your living room, but all you've done is confirm that if a man wears makeup, he must think he's a woman. That's so sexist and damaging.

In what way was the character ‘shoe-horned in’?

And Rebecca Root may have a deeper voice but there is nothing booming about her voice at all.

The ‘just stating facts’ mask is slipping.

"the shoehorned in booming-voiced man in woman cosplay"
"This shite"

This is a horrible post and it exposes your real agenda. It genuinely is about disliking trans people for you, isn't it. That person wasn't making a political point, being in a woman's space or anything. They were just an actor acting while being trans.

I was replying to another poster who asked who the actor was.

I know. I didn’t notice the actor was trans. Had to google them.

At the end of the day, "transgenderism" is simply a new version of sexism. It's not unreasonable to be disappointed when a film includes casual sexism or racism, nor to feel it spoils that film somewhat.

So trans actors should just not be cast in movies then?

It is a bit of a pants film, nothing to do w the trans actor

Spoiled it how?