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My best friend of nearly 20 years and I have fallen out

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Mondura · 02/12/2025 14:04

a long one..

My friend and I have known each other for 17 years. We both live in the UK. We’ve had a wider friendship circle since our twenties when we met but ppl move away and their lives end up going in different directions so it's not a strong group of friends anymore. I’d say she’s been a constant, supportive presence in my life throughout these years and we’ve never fallen out until a couple of months ago. I’m not even sure how things got to this point. She is turning 40 soon (a few months before me) and together with a third friend we were trying to organise something to celebrate her birthday. We all had some ideas, put them in the group chat but she decided she just wanted something simple, like going away to a cottage, just the three of us, have a few drinks, dinner, stay a night or two and just chat, laugh relax, etc. Great, nothing complicated or so I thought. Our third friend and I suggested a country pub with rooms which we’ve both been very impressed by previously, it had other locations in the UK, great service, lovely atmosphere, we were very keen to make the most of it. Our third friend sent some links and she highlighted some of the rooms have two beds, she’ll try and find maybe a family room, but can’t see a cottage on the grounds with multiple rooms. Fine, nothing has been decided and I said I’m happy to take a separate room maybe next to them and don’t mind the extra cost if they prefer sharing the two-bed one. We’ve known each other for a long time, all three of us know that I can afford a bit more in life in general. It hasn’t always been the case, we worked hard for the money we have, run a business, take risks etc. that’s not to say, they are poor, they can both afford luxury holidays, meals out, lovely clothes etc, so none of these things have ever really been an issue. My friend, the birthday girl, didn’t reply to my suggestion to book two rooms, we were all in a rush to do things that morning anyway, we knew it wasn’t going to be finalised so just left it. She then sent another link to the chat a few days later with an Airbnb link for another, cheaper cottage. We all liked it, lovely place, location, great! I was going away a few days later but was keen to finalise something for my friend so we'd have it locked in the calendar and had this short getaway to look forward to so instead of packing and getting myself organised, I prioritised this trip and started my morning looking into booking this. I told them that I’m happy to advance the payment and they can just transfer it later, I just wanted to look through the listing again to make sure it’s all to our liking and needs and I’m ready to book it. My friend messaged back that it’s fine and if it’s ok if she transfers her share the following month. I said ok. Then I was looking for the room configuration on the listing which was a bit hard to figure out, but I found it and it was a cottage with two double bedrooms and a living room with a sofa (not pull out). I sent in a screenshot with the caption “this one only has two bedrooms”. This is where things kicked off. She seemed to have gotten really upset and replied that I should just find another one then. I didn’t reply as I sensed that she was upset. We generally text or call each other almost every day, often multiple times a day, so I can read between the lines, she was not happy. I said I can look for something else, but not until I come back from my upcoming trip a week later so we can park this for now if that’s what she wants. She then messaged again saying it’s best to cancel the whole thing, all of us have different needs, she doesn’t want to go away any more, just a simple dinner is fine. I didn’t reply, because I was busy getting myself ready, I was already short on sleep and had a lot to do, I didn’t want to engage in discussing it further. It was clear that the booking wasn’t going to go ahead then. So I didn’t respond, she then private messaged me and said the same thing that it’s best to not go ahead at all with the plans. It’s her call of course, but then I replied saying I don’t understand and I don’t think it’s fair to now just shut it all down when we’ve all planned so much and looked forward to this ( took forever to find dates that suited us all). We were ready to book and it sounded like the ‘everyone has different needs’ is aimed at me as if my needs were too much. I said I don’t mind looking for a bigger cottage and I’ll just pay the difference for the third room if that’s the issue as it’s no problem for me. I was very polite and I tried to come up with a solution though I didn’t really understand why she got so agitated so suddenly. She then became pretty abusive saying she knows I can afford it, I rub this under their noses all the time. Last time when our other friend sent a link, I also told them I can afford a separate room for myself and that’s it’s not cool and I should really have a think about how I communicate because I come across entitled. I was shocked and started crying. I was totally oblivious to this if it was the case and really I thought I'm just booking a trip for my best friend and doing my best to be flexible.I scrolled back in the messages to see if I was rude or what exactly I said but I genuinely just stated that I don’t mind going for an extra room for myself. She knows I’m an awful sleeper, I send her screenshots of my sleep stats often and we analyse it together, I usually need a dark, quiet room and although we have shared rooms and even bed together in the past, I’d rather pay for my comfort levels approaching our 40s if we can afford it. Clearly her main issue was not me wanting a separate room, but it was deeper than that. It just seems she never expressed these to me. I stopped responding. I saw her last message later on where she says I’ve been the one person who is closest to her in the past 20 years and that she loves me, sort of like a half-assed apology where she probably realised how overboard she went. But I just couldn’t continue writing anything after all this and I had a lot to do that day anyway. I shouldn't have started the day with this booking as I had a lot on. She then tried to ring me in the afternoon and again in the evening, but I was on the school run in the afternoon, then took a sedative for the night (I don't often do this), but I had to calm down somehow and it was important that I had a good night's sleep before an early start to my flight. Over a week went past and I didn't contact her. In fact I muted her chat and the other chat too, which had all three of us in originally as I just couldn't deal with the drama plus I was away with my daughter, I didn't really have time to myself to dive into this whole 'who said what and why' saga.I also didn't want this to ruin my time away with my daughter though it definitely overshadowed it. I cried a lot at night or when she couldn't see me. I also didn't really know what to write tbh. I don't often post on social media, so whenever I snap pictures of what I do, where I am, what I eat etc, I just send a few to some selected friends and my husband. So this friend would've in normal circumstances received a lot of pics from my trip away, but I just had such a block in me. She said I rub things under her nose, so I didn't want to send her a pic of us sitting at the airport lounge. On arrival we went out of dinner to a new spot she actually specifically talked about before. I didn't want to send pics of the food. What if we spent too much? Would that be rubbing it under her nose? Suddenly everything I did felt like I was in the wrong and I was no longer able to share my life with her, because who knows what else I'd done in the past which was too much for her to handle? So I basically just parked this whole thing in my mind to deal with later and tried to enjoy my time away. A few days after getting back home, she messaged me again asking if I cared to discuss what happened at all. I replied politely and told her that I don't really know what to say and it still hasn't settled enough in me plus I'm busy catching up on life and work after returning from my trip (which she knew the length of) She said we should meet in person to discuss, but I told her I genuinely don't have time to know go out in the evening for this as I've only just got back and my other daughter terribly missed me and I just generally have a lot on. She became very accusatory again especially about the fact that I didn't respond at all for nearly two weeks (she said two weeks, it was a week and a half) and somehow I ended up reading more of how I did something wrong and how bad she felt during this time and that I shouldn't have just disappeared like that. I tried not to take offence, but it seemed a bit harsh from someone who was trying to mend things. So I told her I felt bad too, I just couldn't bring myself dealing with what she said as I feel like I can't be myself with her anymore. We try to text now regularly, but it's somewhat forced. It feels very awkward and I don't enjoy sharing anything with her. We got our car stolen a few months back and we recently got a brand new, better car and she was very interested in it previously. The car arrived after our fall out and she casually asked what it's like to drive it. I told her I think it's best not to analyse it as the new car is too expensive and I don't want to rub anything under her nose. She then stopped replying for a few days. I reached out afterwards to meet in person finally in the hope that I'd feel differently about her or I don't really know what I expected really. We met and I don't think we discussed anything in more detail or better just because we were face to face. There was some crying, but mostly we just both tried to make the other one understand why we are hurt. We left, I texted her again the next day and we messaged since, but it's not the same. It's awful actually. I'm only texting out of some obligatory feeling. I lost a very good friend over such a stupid thing and I can't believe it's happening. We have a few things in the calendar lined up, which we haven't discussed. We take turns spending Christmas lunch at each others every year and it's their turn to host this year. We have shows booked and our children are similar ages, they are good friends and we always maintained that they see each other regularly. I think she wants the friendship to continue, but something has broken between us and I guess I can keep going like this; in a forced, uncomfortable manner but I'm looking for advice on how to get past it and feel free and comfortable again spending time with her. Right now I always just feel like any moment I can say or do something that constitutes entitled and will cross her boundaries over what is or isn't allowed. If she wasn't important to me, I could just let this all go, but I'm really struggling to let my hurt and anger, but mostly sadness go away so we can just be happy friends again planning our next adventure.

OP posts:
HeneralClux · 04/12/2025 18:03

There's something off with this. I can't imagine that it's only about the weekend away!
I have 3 friends that I celebrate everything with. We have been friends over 25 years through every kind of life event. I will try to keep it short...
I'll be A, and my friends B, C and D.
A and B have children, C and D do not and are also 10 years older. C has partnered up well, works hard and now has a beautiful home, luxury cars, a ski chalet, a modest yacht and a villa in the Med with an infinity pool!
B is now a single mum, working for the NHS, in reciept of UC. A and D run businesses and are comfortable but not rich.
We all have a fabulous time on the yacht and at the homes- great girly holidays!
True friends work through these differences.
C does not rub our noses in it and we pay our way as much as we can.
I think you may be more awkward about your income, or she more conscious of it, than either of you have discussed. Income is still a huge taboo.
Re evaluate how you communicate your comfortable finances.

IMustDoMoreExercise · 04/12/2025 18:05

sandyhappypeople · 04/12/2025 16:24

I wouldn't be happy sleeping on a sofa, but I would assume if the person who wanted to book the 2 bedroom place for 3 people would be the one taking the hit on the sleeping arrangements.. otherwise why would they have even suggested it? I'd check with them before going any further with the booking.

It's the fact that OP didn't even ask, she just refused to book it because it was only 2 bedrooms and therefore, no good enough for her when she can afford to pay more for the three bedroom place she wanted.. but couldn't be arsed to look for apparently, which was the actual problem.

But it was the birthday girl who suggested the 2 bed place and as a PP said, no-one would expect the bday girl to sleep on the sofa.

So the bday girl was being cheeky trying to get a smaller place knowing that she wouldn't be sleeping on the sofa.

twinmummystarz · 04/12/2025 19:05

your friendship is over. Best to move on.

ElmBeechOak · 05/12/2025 09:16

StewkeyBlue · 03/12/2025 08:23

OP:
IF you had wanted to fix this or were genuinely upset ,/ interested and concerned to know how she feels your response would have been something like this:

”oh bloody hell, Friend, I am so sorry, I had no idea you felt like this or I was coming across like this. Please, let’s talk, you know I am dashing off on trip but you mean everything to me as a friend. Can we talk when I am back? Love XXX”

Instead you blocked it out, searched messages for proof that you had not been ‘rude’, (missing the point, which was not rudeness but something you didn’t understand was happening so needed to know more of), just didn’t address it at all.

And then this, which was actually passive aggressive and nasty : The car arrived after our fall out and she casually asked what it's like to drive it. I told her I think it's best not to analyse it as the new car is too expensive and I don't want to rub anything under her nose

OK , your friend’s initial outburst was not good, but have a look at your refusal to listen to criticism or feedback, your concern with yourself rather than get upset and your constant avoidance and refusal to have discussed it with her face to face.

What to do now?

Meet her. Say “look Friend, I am so sorry, I never did give you the chance to talk about your reaction to the cottage booking thing, and I didn’t address it when it happened. It’s on my conscience. Could we talk the whole thing through?” And then LISTEN. Don’t deflect, or argue, just listen to how she came to see it like that from her pov. Accept that that is how she came to that feeling, and then calmly explain from your pov. . Not in a manner designed to ‘prove her wrong’ , just how it is from your pov.

Worth a go?

I think this is good.

ElmBeechOak · 05/12/2025 09:43

Mondura · 03/12/2025 10:36

Thank you everyone who read my long post. I try not to focus on the unkind replies, especially the ones highlighting the fact they didn’t even read the post. Then why take the time to comment? I came here for perspective and I got it. Thank you. Some of you took the time to really consider both sides and express your thoughts kindly, I really appreciate it. Instead of replying individually, I thought I’d jot a few notes down here if you care to read further.

You may have guessed, English is not my first language (but I do know how to use paragraphs, that was a copy paste issue with the site crashing), so it may have added to the post being so difficult to read for some.

I actually find it very useful that someone explained the phrase “rubbing your nose in it” as it seems I used it incorrectly. We have a similar saying in my language, which obviously didn’t translate so well.

I also ordered the book someone further up suggested, and I am considering therapy in the future as many noted I sound like I have narc tendencies. My father was the definition of a narcissist and I’d hate to think I’m passing similar trauma down to my children and making my loved ones suffer because of it.

My childhood trauma is probably the reason for my need to be in control. Some ppl like this about me as I sort things out, do the legwork, make decisions, etc so they don’t have to. Hence I was the designated organiser of this trip, they didn’t ask me per se, but nothing was going to happen if I didn’t take the lead.

Not looking for excuses any more, but I don’t think I shut down the 2-bed cottage option by highlighting the fact that it only had two bedrooms. I was hoping for the third person to express her preference, weather she was willing to share with one of us, though it would’ve been awkward I think for her to share a bed with me, but I would’ve went with it. I just thought we were going to discuss who takes which room/bed and agree how to divide costs up before I paid the non-refundable full price for two nights. I think these things are best discussed in advance before money is spent. Instead, I got a big slap in the face.

My working hard for my money comment… I don’t mean to imply others don’t work hard or people who earn less are lazy. I just wanted to highlight that it’s not like I come from a wealthy family or inherited a big sum or anything. My friend and I come from similar backgrounds, both try to do our best in a country we didn’t grow up in and I feel that our success is bugging her. She is stuck in a mundane part-time job she hates, her husband pushes himself to the limits and away on business trips a lot so I guess I sensed that it was bugging her that we have more freedom/flexibility in our lives. And that’s why her harsh comment threw me over the edge so much.

I totally ghosted her. I didn’t realise it at the time and I thought I was just cooling down and protecting both of us by not messaging her. If my car comment was so bad, I don’t think it would've been a good idea to message her earlier when I was more hurt and upset. I could’ve lashed out with more hurtful things to say and I chose to shut down instead. Yes, I was punishing her with this, I can see that now, but I just couldn’t bring myself to message her even with a holding message. Plus they kept rambling on other lighthearted stuff in our group chat, so I thought it’s best to withdraw and they can discuss whatever they wanted. I never mute chats, I’m usually good at confronting situations, but I just had to turn the noise off.

I messaged her now and will try and make more effort with her. She really didn’t deserve how I treated her. I’m still hurt but I’ll try and get past it and see if this friendship can continue. I don’t think it’ll be the same, and it’s that realisation that made me sob so much.

I also looked back in my calendar and you won’t believe it 😄 but this all kicked off a day before my period arrived. Bloody hormones, huh? 😩

Well done OP. Everyone goes wrong sometimes: the key thing is whether you reflect and learn something from it or not, and you’re doing that. This friendship could end up better than before as a result. All the best as you move forward.

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