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My best friend of nearly 20 years and I have fallen out

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Mondura · 02/12/2025 14:04

a long one..

My friend and I have known each other for 17 years. We both live in the UK. We’ve had a wider friendship circle since our twenties when we met but ppl move away and their lives end up going in different directions so it's not a strong group of friends anymore. I’d say she’s been a constant, supportive presence in my life throughout these years and we’ve never fallen out until a couple of months ago. I’m not even sure how things got to this point. She is turning 40 soon (a few months before me) and together with a third friend we were trying to organise something to celebrate her birthday. We all had some ideas, put them in the group chat but she decided she just wanted something simple, like going away to a cottage, just the three of us, have a few drinks, dinner, stay a night or two and just chat, laugh relax, etc. Great, nothing complicated or so I thought. Our third friend and I suggested a country pub with rooms which we’ve both been very impressed by previously, it had other locations in the UK, great service, lovely atmosphere, we were very keen to make the most of it. Our third friend sent some links and she highlighted some of the rooms have two beds, she’ll try and find maybe a family room, but can’t see a cottage on the grounds with multiple rooms. Fine, nothing has been decided and I said I’m happy to take a separate room maybe next to them and don’t mind the extra cost if they prefer sharing the two-bed one. We’ve known each other for a long time, all three of us know that I can afford a bit more in life in general. It hasn’t always been the case, we worked hard for the money we have, run a business, take risks etc. that’s not to say, they are poor, they can both afford luxury holidays, meals out, lovely clothes etc, so none of these things have ever really been an issue. My friend, the birthday girl, didn’t reply to my suggestion to book two rooms, we were all in a rush to do things that morning anyway, we knew it wasn’t going to be finalised so just left it. She then sent another link to the chat a few days later with an Airbnb link for another, cheaper cottage. We all liked it, lovely place, location, great! I was going away a few days later but was keen to finalise something for my friend so we'd have it locked in the calendar and had this short getaway to look forward to so instead of packing and getting myself organised, I prioritised this trip and started my morning looking into booking this. I told them that I’m happy to advance the payment and they can just transfer it later, I just wanted to look through the listing again to make sure it’s all to our liking and needs and I’m ready to book it. My friend messaged back that it’s fine and if it’s ok if she transfers her share the following month. I said ok. Then I was looking for the room configuration on the listing which was a bit hard to figure out, but I found it and it was a cottage with two double bedrooms and a living room with a sofa (not pull out). I sent in a screenshot with the caption “this one only has two bedrooms”. This is where things kicked off. She seemed to have gotten really upset and replied that I should just find another one then. I didn’t reply as I sensed that she was upset. We generally text or call each other almost every day, often multiple times a day, so I can read between the lines, she was not happy. I said I can look for something else, but not until I come back from my upcoming trip a week later so we can park this for now if that’s what she wants. She then messaged again saying it’s best to cancel the whole thing, all of us have different needs, she doesn’t want to go away any more, just a simple dinner is fine. I didn’t reply, because I was busy getting myself ready, I was already short on sleep and had a lot to do, I didn’t want to engage in discussing it further. It was clear that the booking wasn’t going to go ahead then. So I didn’t respond, she then private messaged me and said the same thing that it’s best to not go ahead at all with the plans. It’s her call of course, but then I replied saying I don’t understand and I don’t think it’s fair to now just shut it all down when we’ve all planned so much and looked forward to this ( took forever to find dates that suited us all). We were ready to book and it sounded like the ‘everyone has different needs’ is aimed at me as if my needs were too much. I said I don’t mind looking for a bigger cottage and I’ll just pay the difference for the third room if that’s the issue as it’s no problem for me. I was very polite and I tried to come up with a solution though I didn’t really understand why she got so agitated so suddenly. She then became pretty abusive saying she knows I can afford it, I rub this under their noses all the time. Last time when our other friend sent a link, I also told them I can afford a separate room for myself and that’s it’s not cool and I should really have a think about how I communicate because I come across entitled. I was shocked and started crying. I was totally oblivious to this if it was the case and really I thought I'm just booking a trip for my best friend and doing my best to be flexible.I scrolled back in the messages to see if I was rude or what exactly I said but I genuinely just stated that I don’t mind going for an extra room for myself. She knows I’m an awful sleeper, I send her screenshots of my sleep stats often and we analyse it together, I usually need a dark, quiet room and although we have shared rooms and even bed together in the past, I’d rather pay for my comfort levels approaching our 40s if we can afford it. Clearly her main issue was not me wanting a separate room, but it was deeper than that. It just seems she never expressed these to me. I stopped responding. I saw her last message later on where she says I’ve been the one person who is closest to her in the past 20 years and that she loves me, sort of like a half-assed apology where she probably realised how overboard she went. But I just couldn’t continue writing anything after all this and I had a lot to do that day anyway. I shouldn't have started the day with this booking as I had a lot on. She then tried to ring me in the afternoon and again in the evening, but I was on the school run in the afternoon, then took a sedative for the night (I don't often do this), but I had to calm down somehow and it was important that I had a good night's sleep before an early start to my flight. Over a week went past and I didn't contact her. In fact I muted her chat and the other chat too, which had all three of us in originally as I just couldn't deal with the drama plus I was away with my daughter, I didn't really have time to myself to dive into this whole 'who said what and why' saga.I also didn't want this to ruin my time away with my daughter though it definitely overshadowed it. I cried a lot at night or when she couldn't see me. I also didn't really know what to write tbh. I don't often post on social media, so whenever I snap pictures of what I do, where I am, what I eat etc, I just send a few to some selected friends and my husband. So this friend would've in normal circumstances received a lot of pics from my trip away, but I just had such a block in me. She said I rub things under her nose, so I didn't want to send her a pic of us sitting at the airport lounge. On arrival we went out of dinner to a new spot she actually specifically talked about before. I didn't want to send pics of the food. What if we spent too much? Would that be rubbing it under her nose? Suddenly everything I did felt like I was in the wrong and I was no longer able to share my life with her, because who knows what else I'd done in the past which was too much for her to handle? So I basically just parked this whole thing in my mind to deal with later and tried to enjoy my time away. A few days after getting back home, she messaged me again asking if I cared to discuss what happened at all. I replied politely and told her that I don't really know what to say and it still hasn't settled enough in me plus I'm busy catching up on life and work after returning from my trip (which she knew the length of) She said we should meet in person to discuss, but I told her I genuinely don't have time to know go out in the evening for this as I've only just got back and my other daughter terribly missed me and I just generally have a lot on. She became very accusatory again especially about the fact that I didn't respond at all for nearly two weeks (she said two weeks, it was a week and a half) and somehow I ended up reading more of how I did something wrong and how bad she felt during this time and that I shouldn't have just disappeared like that. I tried not to take offence, but it seemed a bit harsh from someone who was trying to mend things. So I told her I felt bad too, I just couldn't bring myself dealing with what she said as I feel like I can't be myself with her anymore. We try to text now regularly, but it's somewhat forced. It feels very awkward and I don't enjoy sharing anything with her. We got our car stolen a few months back and we recently got a brand new, better car and she was very interested in it previously. The car arrived after our fall out and she casually asked what it's like to drive it. I told her I think it's best not to analyse it as the new car is too expensive and I don't want to rub anything under her nose. She then stopped replying for a few days. I reached out afterwards to meet in person finally in the hope that I'd feel differently about her or I don't really know what I expected really. We met and I don't think we discussed anything in more detail or better just because we were face to face. There was some crying, but mostly we just both tried to make the other one understand why we are hurt. We left, I texted her again the next day and we messaged since, but it's not the same. It's awful actually. I'm only texting out of some obligatory feeling. I lost a very good friend over such a stupid thing and I can't believe it's happening. We have a few things in the calendar lined up, which we haven't discussed. We take turns spending Christmas lunch at each others every year and it's their turn to host this year. We have shows booked and our children are similar ages, they are good friends and we always maintained that they see each other regularly. I think she wants the friendship to continue, but something has broken between us and I guess I can keep going like this; in a forced, uncomfortable manner but I'm looking for advice on how to get past it and feel free and comfortable again spending time with her. Right now I always just feel like any moment I can say or do something that constitutes entitled and will cross her boundaries over what is or isn't allowed. If she wasn't important to me, I could just let this all go, but I'm really struggling to let my hurt and anger, but mostly sadness go away so we can just be happy friends again planning our next adventure.

OP posts:
Pinepeak2434 · 03/12/2025 09:48

Ghosting her for two weeks came across as bit of a power trip, she’s tried to reach out to you several times and it seems you block discussing the issue with her. You no longer feel comfortable boasting about your life to her. I think the best thing to do would to meet up and actually discuss what’s gone on, doing it via dragged out messages is never a good idea. If I were your friend I would have given up by now, she’s tried to make an effort to sort things but you keep blocking it, stop stringing her along if you no longer want a friendship.

Aimtodobetter · 03/12/2025 09:50

You didn’t start out being the unreasonable one - but you were very petty and unkind later. Having a tiff with a friend is normal - not having the basic skill set to sort it maturely is not. Your friend tried pretty hard and you were unpleasant in response.

Bluffinwithmymuffin · 03/12/2025 09:52

That’s not a post, it’s an entire essay. I had to skim last third, it’s just too much… it would’ve been a whole lot easier to say nothing about the two bed option and for the sake of your friendship, be prepared to sleep on sofa, and not let it spoil the holiday.
You didn’t do that, so just apologise, say you feel you got your wires crossed, agree to whatever the birthday friend wants, and move on.

bumblingbovine49 · 03/12/2025 09:58

Op, there are a lot of very negative comments about you on this thread and I just wanted to share something. I completely understand how hurt you feel at your friend's comment and I probably would have behaved very simillarly to you because the actual hurt at finding out how my friend feels about me would have been almost unbearable and I am very conflict avoidant as well.

However, I am very poor at maintaining friendships and whilst I do have a couple that I have kept over the years, they are not particualrly deep friendships nd actually I prefer it that way. I have a successful marriage and all of my limited energy ability to manage relationships and complex feelings is used up in my marriage and in my relationshp with my son. I am just not good at the fracture and repair cycle so essential in good relationshionships. No relationship ever survives without at least some fractures/disagreements/hurts, what makes a good relationship last is the ability to repair those and move on. I just don't have the energy to do this in more than my marriage and with my child, and also my sister. When I have had some friendships fracture in the past, I have just found it easier to move on than do the work needed to repair it, probably because I obviously don't value the other person enough to look past my own hurt and pride. That may sound an unattractive trait, and it is but it is really the truth of the matter.

You have maintained a close friend over years,but she is obviously better at friendships as even though she did (kind of) start the fracture, she is making the effort to repair it. Do you want to repair it? Ask yourself that and act accordingly

IMustDoMoreExercise · 03/12/2025 10:08

Differentforgirls · 02/12/2025 22:46

Can I ask you a serious question? Does it make you feel good if you think people are jealous of you?

I just don’t get it.

No, but the OP's friend obviously is jealous of her. The OP was just trying to be nice bc she was prepared to pay more, which most people would appreciate but her friend had a tantrum bc the OP didn't offer to sleep on the sofa? Why on earth should she?

Hatty123 · 03/12/2025 10:13

“she casually asked what it's like to drive it. I told her I think it's best not to analyse it as the new car is too expensive and I don't want to rub anything under her nose”
NASTY. “How can I have a swipe at her without feeling like I’m having a swipe?”

She hurt your feelings by highlighting your obvious thoughtlessness with references to money. You wanted to hurt her back as you couldn’t cope with being made to feel embarrassed or shamed. Don’t try to justify it… just try “I’m sorry I’ve acted badly, I care about you and our friendship. Can we do a reset?”
if you can’t bring yourself to do that then the friendship is over.

Sunbeam01 · 03/12/2025 10:23

OP please swallow your pride and do not give up on a 20 year friendship over this.

Could you go out for wine and just both force yourself to get over this - try to laugh about it and have fun?

Do not let it fester.

I'm terrible for replying if overwhelmed, stressed, too busy or wanting to avoid difficult conversations but I've learnt (the hard way) you can't do this. At the very least send a placeholder message.

Good friends with shared history are rare. Move on :)

Cucy · 03/12/2025 10:24

I haven’t read the whole thing but even before you fell out I read that you didn’t reply on at least 3 occasions - this is shitty behaviour and does give the impression that you are somehow more important than she is.

Isittimeformynapyet · 03/12/2025 10:26

IMustDoMoreExercise · 03/12/2025 10:08

No, but the OP's friend obviously is jealous of her. The OP was just trying to be nice bc she was prepared to pay more, which most people would appreciate but her friend had a tantrum bc the OP didn't offer to sleep on the sofa? Why on earth should she?

We don't know that the friend snapped purely because OP wouldn't sleep on the sofa. You've just jumped to that conclusion. It's equally possible that the friend assumed OP would take the second bedroom on her own.

And it wasn't a "tantrum".

Differentforgirls · 03/12/2025 10:28

IMustDoMoreExercise · 03/12/2025 10:08

No, but the OP's friend obviously is jealous of her. The OP was just trying to be nice bc she was prepared to pay more, which most people would appreciate but her friend had a tantrum bc the OP didn't offer to sleep on the sofa? Why on earth should she?

Where's the jealousy?

IMustDoMoreExercise · 03/12/2025 10:28

Isittimeformynapyet · 03/12/2025 10:26

We don't know that the friend snapped purely because OP wouldn't sleep on the sofa. You've just jumped to that conclusion. It's equally possible that the friend assumed OP would take the second bedroom on her own.

And it wasn't a "tantrum".

It really was a tantrum. She wanted to scrap the whole thing just bc the OP said that the place only had 2 bedrooms.

Tiswa · 03/12/2025 10:31

IMustDoMoreExercise · 03/12/2025 10:28

It really was a tantrum. She wanted to scrap the whole thing just bc the OP said that the place only had 2 bedrooms.

Or maybe she had just had enough of suggesting things that weren’t good enough for the OP so went find one yourself. Whilst not the best response you can see how she was pushed to say it

here is a women who is regularly sent images of the OPs bad sleep as well she cracked and I can’t blame her.

then presumably having cracked she felt bad and reached out but the OP was having none of it

Isittimeformynapyet · 03/12/2025 10:33

IMustDoMoreExercise · 03/12/2025 10:28

It really was a tantrum. She wanted to scrap the whole thing just bc the OP said that the place only had 2 bedrooms.

A tantrum is "an uncontrolled outburst of anger and frustration, typically involving screaming, crying, and defiant behavior."

Mondura · 03/12/2025 10:36

Thank you everyone who read my long post. I try not to focus on the unkind replies, especially the ones highlighting the fact they didn’t even read the post. Then why take the time to comment? I came here for perspective and I got it. Thank you. Some of you took the time to really consider both sides and express your thoughts kindly, I really appreciate it. Instead of replying individually, I thought I’d jot a few notes down here if you care to read further.

You may have guessed, English is not my first language (but I do know how to use paragraphs, that was a copy paste issue with the site crashing), so it may have added to the post being so difficult to read for some.

I actually find it very useful that someone explained the phrase “rubbing your nose in it” as it seems I used it incorrectly. We have a similar saying in my language, which obviously didn’t translate so well.

I also ordered the book someone further up suggested, and I am considering therapy in the future as many noted I sound like I have narc tendencies. My father was the definition of a narcissist and I’d hate to think I’m passing similar trauma down to my children and making my loved ones suffer because of it.

My childhood trauma is probably the reason for my need to be in control. Some ppl like this about me as I sort things out, do the legwork, make decisions, etc so they don’t have to. Hence I was the designated organiser of this trip, they didn’t ask me per se, but nothing was going to happen if I didn’t take the lead.

Not looking for excuses any more, but I don’t think I shut down the 2-bed cottage option by highlighting the fact that it only had two bedrooms. I was hoping for the third person to express her preference, weather she was willing to share with one of us, though it would’ve been awkward I think for her to share a bed with me, but I would’ve went with it. I just thought we were going to discuss who takes which room/bed and agree how to divide costs up before I paid the non-refundable full price for two nights. I think these things are best discussed in advance before money is spent. Instead, I got a big slap in the face.

My working hard for my money comment… I don’t mean to imply others don’t work hard or people who earn less are lazy. I just wanted to highlight that it’s not like I come from a wealthy family or inherited a big sum or anything. My friend and I come from similar backgrounds, both try to do our best in a country we didn’t grow up in and I feel that our success is bugging her. She is stuck in a mundane part-time job she hates, her husband pushes himself to the limits and away on business trips a lot so I guess I sensed that it was bugging her that we have more freedom/flexibility in our lives. And that’s why her harsh comment threw me over the edge so much.

I totally ghosted her. I didn’t realise it at the time and I thought I was just cooling down and protecting both of us by not messaging her. If my car comment was so bad, I don’t think it would've been a good idea to message her earlier when I was more hurt and upset. I could’ve lashed out with more hurtful things to say and I chose to shut down instead. Yes, I was punishing her with this, I can see that now, but I just couldn’t bring myself to message her even with a holding message. Plus they kept rambling on other lighthearted stuff in our group chat, so I thought it’s best to withdraw and they can discuss whatever they wanted. I never mute chats, I’m usually good at confronting situations, but I just had to turn the noise off.

I messaged her now and will try and make more effort with her. She really didn’t deserve how I treated her. I’m still hurt but I’ll try and get past it and see if this friendship can continue. I don’t think it’ll be the same, and it’s that realisation that made me sob so much.

I also looked back in my calendar and you won’t believe it 😄 but this all kicked off a day before my period arrived. Bloody hormones, huh? 😩

OP posts:
sandyhappypeople · 03/12/2025 10:41

IMustDoMoreExercise · 03/12/2025 10:28

It really was a tantrum. She wanted to scrap the whole thing just bc the OP said that the place only had 2 bedrooms.

The friend asked OP to book the place that she had seen and wanted to go to.

Against what was being asked of her, OP went through every single detail of the listing until she found something she didn't like and rejected it without even asking what the sleeping arrangements were going to be.

The problem here is OP is being relied on to pay the deposit, so she seems to think she has the power to veto the whole thing if it isn't to her specific preference, she'd already done it with another place and now this one.

The friend suggestion that OP should have a look herself then, (best idea IMO) but was met with .. "oh I can't do that, I'm far too busy, we'll have to park it for now"

To which friend responds that she wants to cancel, it is too hard to meet everyone's criteria so they should go out for dinner instead.

What part of that is friend 'having a tantrum'?

StewkeyBlue · 03/12/2025 10:46

Well done for coming back to the thread OP.

She really didn’t deserve how I treated her

Is this the start and emphasis of your approach to your friend? It needs to be.

And while your explanation of how YOU felt about the cottage organisation went is interesting, you need to park that and listen to how it felt for HER. Which may well be that she found a lovely cottage that she wanted to spend her birthday in but you raised an issue and than blocked taking it further while you attended to YOUR life. Whatever it is she feels, listen, absorb, reflect , and try not to be defensive. You are vehement about your feelings, and she had the same right.

Read your update and click the number of times you talk about you, your reasons, and not her and her potential feelings.

Good luck, keep listening, and I hope it works out

MowingMachine · 03/12/2025 10:55

Well done OP. It must have been a lot to read, and to try to take in. It sounds like you've really taken things on board, and now hopefully your friendship will be saved!

sandyhappypeople · 03/12/2025 10:55

Not looking for excuses any more, but I don’t think I shut down the 2-bed cottage option by highlighting the fact that it only had two bedrooms. I was hoping for the third person to express her preference, weather she was willing to share with one of us, though it would’ve been awkward I think for her to share a bed with me, but I would’ve went with it. I just thought we were going to discuss who takes which room/bed and agree how to divide costs up before I paid the non-refundable full price for two nights. I think these things are best discussed in advance before money is spent. Instead, I got a big slap in the face.

That IS an excuse though!.. you didn't want to stay there because it was two bedrooms and you wanted three, you DID shut the conversation down with your 'statement' about the bedrooms, as you offered no solution or discussion and when she came back to you for you to look for somewhere, you would have THEN said "oh I didn't mean that, I just wanted to know what the sleeping arrangements would be".

At least be honest with her and yourself, lying like this and STILL making excuses for your extremely poor behaviour and painting yourself as the victim, will just add insult to injury!

You have no right to feel hurt IMO, you constantly made reference to being able to afford more than them and better than what they wanted and even refused to book the place she wanted to book because it didn't fit your needs, but when asked to look for somewhere that DID fit your needs you made out you were too busy and important and YET AGAIN mentioned that you can afford to pay more.

She said "she knows I can afford it, I rub this under their noses all the time... It’s not cool and I should really have a think about how I communicate because I come across entitled"

This isn't abusive IMO, it's factual, in response to you constantly telling her that you can afford more than what SHE wants to book for her own birthday.. you should be learning from this, not punishing your friend for being honest with you.

You've behaved appallingly.

Nevernonono · 03/12/2025 10:57

Your update is mostly about you and excusing your behaviour, you are still being unkind, blaming her job somehow.

Plus they kept rambling on other lighthearted stuff in our group chat, so I thought it’s best to withdraw and they can discuss whatever they wanted. I never mute chats, I’m usually good at confronting situations, but I just had to turn the noise off.

No, you were just sulking, your friends were not rambling on, and they can talk about lighthearted stuff if they want. It doesn’t have to be a chat consumed with angst and issues.

Tiswa · 03/12/2025 11:01

@Mondura your comments about designated organiser struck me because they didn’t ask you and they were themselves offering up suggestions.

Which to me says that they hadn’t designated you it at all and actually it was at the end she did by saying that you need to organise

they didn’t want you to be in control they wanted to organise it themselves they wanted you to say ok to the cottage

but then when she did tell you to be in charge you didn’t want it

Isittimeformynapyet · 03/12/2025 11:01

@sandyhappypeople Woah there! OP has taken quite a lot on board, so continuing the kicking might make her give up!

There's progress here. Progress not perfection.

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 03/12/2025 11:08

I try not to focus on the unkind replies, especially the ones highlighting the fact they didn’t even read the post. Then why take the time to comment?

I suppose just to make you aware that the vast majority of people don't appreciate seeing a long, long wall of text. It's incredibly hard to read.

You've shown that you do know how to use paragraphs in your update, though.

I'm glad you came back to the thread. It sounds like you're willing to make amends towards your friend.

I hope you're all able to move forward now and rekindle your long friendship.

FarmGirl78 · 03/12/2025 11:19

Fuck me OP you're hard work. For someone who's upset and wants to fix things you do a hell of lot of blocking and ignoring. And when she gives suggestions as to alternatives... Just a meal, let's cancel, etc you disagree and then don't place importance on sorting/suggesting something else as a priority. I'm the words of my Father "You have a problem for every solution". Your work and very busy life clearly takes priority over your friendship every single time.

The way you (perhaps unintentionally) phrase things is making things worse. "It's not fair to shut it down" rather than "It would be a shame to not go ahead"..... choose your words wisely!

FarmGirl78 · 03/12/2025 11:23

"Instead I got a big slap in the face".....STOP THINKING IT'S ALL ABOUT YOU!! You're not the only person who's trying to sort this. It's not all about you. You know it's difficult to sort, but are then getting hufty it's not being sorted in the way you want. How your friendship has survived 17 years is a miracle!!

sandyhappypeople · 03/12/2025 11:25

Isittimeformynapyet · 03/12/2025 11:01

@sandyhappypeople Woah there! OP has taken quite a lot on board, so continuing the kicking might make her give up!

There's progress here. Progress not perfection.

Not looking for excuses any more, but I don’t think I shut down the 2-bed cottage option by highlighting the fact that it only had two bedrooms. I was hoping for the third person to express her preference, weather she was willing to share with one of us, though it would’ve been awkward I think for her to share a bed with me, but I would’ve went with it. I just thought we were going to discuss who takes which room/bed and agree how to divide costs up before I paid the non-refundable full price for two nights. I think these things are best discussed in advance before money is spent. Instead, I got a big slap in the face.

I'd read that again and have a re-think about the "progress" she has made, as there is none to be honest, apart from obvious lip service to the many critics, we know that because she is now lying about what happened and making excuses for herself, anyone genuinely remorseful or wanting to make amends, wouldn't keep changing the story to suit her own narrative and make her friend sound worse.

Blaming your childhood trauma, your period, your friend, the other friend, your friend's job and friends husband(!), for OP turning a frustrated (but truthful) comment into a weapon to continually punish her friend with, even AFTER her friend apologised for speaking out of frustration.. no, not really progress IMO, if there was any progress she wouldn't be 'trying harder' with the friend, she'd be ringing her up and apologising for a start.

She even rounds it all off by saying she is still hurt and doesn't think the friendship will be the same.. good grief.

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