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My best friend of nearly 20 years and I have fallen out

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Mondura · 02/12/2025 14:04

a long one..

My friend and I have known each other for 17 years. We both live in the UK. We’ve had a wider friendship circle since our twenties when we met but ppl move away and their lives end up going in different directions so it's not a strong group of friends anymore. I’d say she’s been a constant, supportive presence in my life throughout these years and we’ve never fallen out until a couple of months ago. I’m not even sure how things got to this point. She is turning 40 soon (a few months before me) and together with a third friend we were trying to organise something to celebrate her birthday. We all had some ideas, put them in the group chat but she decided she just wanted something simple, like going away to a cottage, just the three of us, have a few drinks, dinner, stay a night or two and just chat, laugh relax, etc. Great, nothing complicated or so I thought. Our third friend and I suggested a country pub with rooms which we’ve both been very impressed by previously, it had other locations in the UK, great service, lovely atmosphere, we were very keen to make the most of it. Our third friend sent some links and she highlighted some of the rooms have two beds, she’ll try and find maybe a family room, but can’t see a cottage on the grounds with multiple rooms. Fine, nothing has been decided and I said I’m happy to take a separate room maybe next to them and don’t mind the extra cost if they prefer sharing the two-bed one. We’ve known each other for a long time, all three of us know that I can afford a bit more in life in general. It hasn’t always been the case, we worked hard for the money we have, run a business, take risks etc. that’s not to say, they are poor, they can both afford luxury holidays, meals out, lovely clothes etc, so none of these things have ever really been an issue. My friend, the birthday girl, didn’t reply to my suggestion to book two rooms, we were all in a rush to do things that morning anyway, we knew it wasn’t going to be finalised so just left it. She then sent another link to the chat a few days later with an Airbnb link for another, cheaper cottage. We all liked it, lovely place, location, great! I was going away a few days later but was keen to finalise something for my friend so we'd have it locked in the calendar and had this short getaway to look forward to so instead of packing and getting myself organised, I prioritised this trip and started my morning looking into booking this. I told them that I’m happy to advance the payment and they can just transfer it later, I just wanted to look through the listing again to make sure it’s all to our liking and needs and I’m ready to book it. My friend messaged back that it’s fine and if it’s ok if she transfers her share the following month. I said ok. Then I was looking for the room configuration on the listing which was a bit hard to figure out, but I found it and it was a cottage with two double bedrooms and a living room with a sofa (not pull out). I sent in a screenshot with the caption “this one only has two bedrooms”. This is where things kicked off. She seemed to have gotten really upset and replied that I should just find another one then. I didn’t reply as I sensed that she was upset. We generally text or call each other almost every day, often multiple times a day, so I can read between the lines, she was not happy. I said I can look for something else, but not until I come back from my upcoming trip a week later so we can park this for now if that’s what she wants. She then messaged again saying it’s best to cancel the whole thing, all of us have different needs, she doesn’t want to go away any more, just a simple dinner is fine. I didn’t reply, because I was busy getting myself ready, I was already short on sleep and had a lot to do, I didn’t want to engage in discussing it further. It was clear that the booking wasn’t going to go ahead then. So I didn’t respond, she then private messaged me and said the same thing that it’s best to not go ahead at all with the plans. It’s her call of course, but then I replied saying I don’t understand and I don’t think it’s fair to now just shut it all down when we’ve all planned so much and looked forward to this ( took forever to find dates that suited us all). We were ready to book and it sounded like the ‘everyone has different needs’ is aimed at me as if my needs were too much. I said I don’t mind looking for a bigger cottage and I’ll just pay the difference for the third room if that’s the issue as it’s no problem for me. I was very polite and I tried to come up with a solution though I didn’t really understand why she got so agitated so suddenly. She then became pretty abusive saying she knows I can afford it, I rub this under their noses all the time. Last time when our other friend sent a link, I also told them I can afford a separate room for myself and that’s it’s not cool and I should really have a think about how I communicate because I come across entitled. I was shocked and started crying. I was totally oblivious to this if it was the case and really I thought I'm just booking a trip for my best friend and doing my best to be flexible.I scrolled back in the messages to see if I was rude or what exactly I said but I genuinely just stated that I don’t mind going for an extra room for myself. She knows I’m an awful sleeper, I send her screenshots of my sleep stats often and we analyse it together, I usually need a dark, quiet room and although we have shared rooms and even bed together in the past, I’d rather pay for my comfort levels approaching our 40s if we can afford it. Clearly her main issue was not me wanting a separate room, but it was deeper than that. It just seems she never expressed these to me. I stopped responding. I saw her last message later on where she says I’ve been the one person who is closest to her in the past 20 years and that she loves me, sort of like a half-assed apology where she probably realised how overboard she went. But I just couldn’t continue writing anything after all this and I had a lot to do that day anyway. I shouldn't have started the day with this booking as I had a lot on. She then tried to ring me in the afternoon and again in the evening, but I was on the school run in the afternoon, then took a sedative for the night (I don't often do this), but I had to calm down somehow and it was important that I had a good night's sleep before an early start to my flight. Over a week went past and I didn't contact her. In fact I muted her chat and the other chat too, which had all three of us in originally as I just couldn't deal with the drama plus I was away with my daughter, I didn't really have time to myself to dive into this whole 'who said what and why' saga.I also didn't want this to ruin my time away with my daughter though it definitely overshadowed it. I cried a lot at night or when she couldn't see me. I also didn't really know what to write tbh. I don't often post on social media, so whenever I snap pictures of what I do, where I am, what I eat etc, I just send a few to some selected friends and my husband. So this friend would've in normal circumstances received a lot of pics from my trip away, but I just had such a block in me. She said I rub things under her nose, so I didn't want to send her a pic of us sitting at the airport lounge. On arrival we went out of dinner to a new spot she actually specifically talked about before. I didn't want to send pics of the food. What if we spent too much? Would that be rubbing it under her nose? Suddenly everything I did felt like I was in the wrong and I was no longer able to share my life with her, because who knows what else I'd done in the past which was too much for her to handle? So I basically just parked this whole thing in my mind to deal with later and tried to enjoy my time away. A few days after getting back home, she messaged me again asking if I cared to discuss what happened at all. I replied politely and told her that I don't really know what to say and it still hasn't settled enough in me plus I'm busy catching up on life and work after returning from my trip (which she knew the length of) She said we should meet in person to discuss, but I told her I genuinely don't have time to know go out in the evening for this as I've only just got back and my other daughter terribly missed me and I just generally have a lot on. She became very accusatory again especially about the fact that I didn't respond at all for nearly two weeks (she said two weeks, it was a week and a half) and somehow I ended up reading more of how I did something wrong and how bad she felt during this time and that I shouldn't have just disappeared like that. I tried not to take offence, but it seemed a bit harsh from someone who was trying to mend things. So I told her I felt bad too, I just couldn't bring myself dealing with what she said as I feel like I can't be myself with her anymore. We try to text now regularly, but it's somewhat forced. It feels very awkward and I don't enjoy sharing anything with her. We got our car stolen a few months back and we recently got a brand new, better car and she was very interested in it previously. The car arrived after our fall out and she casually asked what it's like to drive it. I told her I think it's best not to analyse it as the new car is too expensive and I don't want to rub anything under her nose. She then stopped replying for a few days. I reached out afterwards to meet in person finally in the hope that I'd feel differently about her or I don't really know what I expected really. We met and I don't think we discussed anything in more detail or better just because we were face to face. There was some crying, but mostly we just both tried to make the other one understand why we are hurt. We left, I texted her again the next day and we messaged since, but it's not the same. It's awful actually. I'm only texting out of some obligatory feeling. I lost a very good friend over such a stupid thing and I can't believe it's happening. We have a few things in the calendar lined up, which we haven't discussed. We take turns spending Christmas lunch at each others every year and it's their turn to host this year. We have shows booked and our children are similar ages, they are good friends and we always maintained that they see each other regularly. I think she wants the friendship to continue, but something has broken between us and I guess I can keep going like this; in a forced, uncomfortable manner but I'm looking for advice on how to get past it and feel free and comfortable again spending time with her. Right now I always just feel like any moment I can say or do something that constitutes entitled and will cross her boundaries over what is or isn't allowed. If she wasn't important to me, I could just let this all go, but I'm really struggling to let my hurt and anger, but mostly sadness go away so we can just be happy friends again planning our next adventure.

OP posts:
Jellycatspyjamas · 02/12/2025 14:34

You really need to grow up a bit. Your comment about your car was unnecessary and spiteful. Maybe you do run her nose in things, maybe her circumstance mean she’s sensitive at the moment but this is a long friendship that you say means a lot to you. There has to be some grace from you, not speaking for nearly two weeks (and you keeping count of the exact number of days) is ridiculous. You’ve had your feelings hurt but instead of talking to her you’re reading into things. Meet her for coffee, listen to what she has to say and stop looking for reasons to have a pop at her. Or let the friendship drop.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 02/12/2025 14:34

I am far from being the grammar police by a long chalk, but paragraphs are your friend and ours OP.

HeadyLamarr · 02/12/2025 14:36

You created all the drama. Who can be arsed with all that crying and blanking her and all that nonsense?

FracasFracas · 02/12/2025 14:39

RitaFires · 02/12/2025 14:27

It sounds like you were a bit awkward about the accommodation and annoyed your friend but she wants to move past it and you don't. You ghosted her for close to two weeks and have made pointed comments since. Do you actually want to be friends?

Thank you, @RitaFires — that is actually a usefully succinct summary for anyone who got bogged down in the various bedroom configurations, airport long photos and sleep stats.

And yes, OP. it doesn’t sound from your behaviour as if you actuslly want to reconcile with this supposedly valued friend. The actual disagreement sounds like a storm in a teacup, but you’re the one dragging this out into a disagreement.

Gardener82 · 02/12/2025 14:39

I think it sounds like issues have been bubbling for years and have now exploded.
If she had a problem with your apparent bragging she should have told you years ago.
It’s not really fair to spend 20 years replying to your holiday pics (as an example) with… Looks beautiful, lucky you ect when behind your back she was probably slagging you off for rubbing her face in it.
That said I have friends with less spare money than me and I’m aware enough to realise that they probably don’t want to see my photos of things they’d struggle to afford.
If you want it sorted you are both going to have to have a sit down chat, apologise and mean it and stop with the sarcastic comments.

IamnotSethRogan · 02/12/2025 14:40

All a bit over the top. Obviously she has some pent up resentment. Do you think she was annoyed that on her birthday trip you felt you were entitled to a room on your own based on having more money?

Similarly a ridiculous amount of crying over basically nothing.

Friends, within reason, should be able to express their feelings. If the friendship is based on her never being able to express when something you do annoys her (again, within reason) than it's not really a friendship.

We all have periods where we act like twats and it looks like she's tried to recognise that but honestly a normal person would really just get over something like this with a good friend.

Whereismyfleeceblanket · 02/12/2025 14:41

Well I did read it all op. Is she having money worries perhaps and feels your life is better than hers right now?
Your lives sound very intertwined. Makes stepping back a bit awkward.. But sensitively I suggest make alternative plans for your Christmas...
Leave things until the new year and things will either work out or your friendship will fade out.

InterestedDad37 · 02/12/2025 14:41

Talk to each other. So much messaging gives so much potential for crossed wires, misunderstandings etc. Face-to-face if you can, or telephone. But just speak, don't text. Hope it all works out well. 👍

BadgernTheGarden · 02/12/2025 14:41

Just forget about it and stop poking each other. If you want it to be like it was treat her as you used to. Say sorry let's both forget about the last few weeks and get back to normal. All this insisting on thrashing things out just stirs up more discontent and makes you think about arguments and counter arguments about who's right and who's wrong, you both upset each other move on.

Wellshellsbells · 02/12/2025 14:43

Pancakeflipper · 02/12/2025 14:18

Crikes. There's a lot in your post.
What stands out to me is your barbed comment about not talking about your new car as it is too expensive and that you didn't respond to her before and during your trip away - you have sent a brief holding message to say something like "love you mate, let's chat after my holiday"

It sounds like she's trying to sort things out but you won't let go of her slight/comments about you. And then she'll get frustrated again and so will you and round and round this goes.

Are you actually ready to move forward?

Exactly this.That comment was out of order about the expensive car.she has obviously been thinking it and maybe you don’t think you are bragging but she obviously does.

caramac04 · 02/12/2025 14:43

You were wrong to ignore for nearly two weeks. Oops a week and a half.

bitterexwife · 02/12/2025 14:43

I don’t think OP is going to speak to us now….

JudgeBread · 02/12/2025 14:44

You sound very, very conflict avoidant OP, you do a lot of ignoring and going silent on people when addressing something doesn't suit you. That can become quite exhausting to deal with because from the other side you feel like you're always the one having to put the effort in. Eventually people will get fed up and stop putting effort in.

I think you need to get together and really hash it all out instead of doing this weird pretending everything is back to normal dance that you're doing.

Redwinedaze · 02/12/2025 14:44

That was a long read… You taking initiative with booking, organising, and paying may have made her feel, overshadowed and not in charge of her own birthday plans.

holachicatita · 02/12/2025 14:47

I was (sort of) with you until she asked you about your new car and you said you didn't want to discuss as it was too expensive and you didn't want to rub her nose in it? Why say that? It's now clear to me that you are indeed a show off and your friend has had enough! (Also your grammar and punctuation, wow!!! Very hard to read.)

dairydebris · 02/12/2025 14:47

You sound like you believe your stuff is much more important than anyone else's stuff. Plus you go on a bit. Maybe its a combination of that?

Take a few months break from each other then try again.

landlordhell · 02/12/2025 14:48

Hmm she was out of order at first but your two week ghosting is ott.

ThePoshUns · 02/12/2025 14:48

Sorry could t be arsed to read all that

5128gap · 02/12/2025 14:49

Honestly? From an outside perspective, your friend was irritated by your references to being able to afford things, spoke out of turn, which was wrong and regretted, and then proceeded to jump through hoops for days trying to mend things while you cold shouldered her. So while she was wrong initially, you have certainly evened the score.
I have friendships of 50 years duration and they are part of the joy and fabric of my life. I can't say how precious they are. We have had our spats and hurt each other along the way, because we're human and humans aren't perfect and mess up.
However unless the issue comes from malice or other deal breaking flaw, then some tolerance is required if you're going to go the distance. And is so worth it if you can.
So, my advice is to meet up again soon. Make it something light with external stimulus, an event, the theatre, rather than a one on one conversation that could get intense, which is not a great idea if it feels fragile. Just enjoy something together and remember why you like this woman.
The more positive experiences you can layer on top of this unfortunate one, the less significant it will seem.

TheEponymousGrub · 02/12/2025 14:49

Hi OP, I'm sorry people are so unsympathetic! I kind of AM the grammar police, usually, and I had no problem reading your post.
That's so sad! And horrifying, that a terrible fallout could happen so easily... I feel like sending it to my life-long mate and saying God let's NEVER let this happen.
As for remedial actions: would it be possible to set aside your own hurt feelings, temporarily, and focus on understanding her? If she's been your mate all these years, she hasn't taken the hump for NO reason; there must be real hurt there. Deal with that first, sincerely, and without minimising your part. Then when she's forgiven you, she should reciprocate. Might that work? It requires an investment of goodwill on your part but if she's a lifelong friend, it's worth it.
BTW, I agree with PPs that your dig about your new car was awful. If you don't see that, please consider whether you are crueller than you realise.
I really hope you and she can get sorted out.

ForTheLoveOfAnotherMan · 02/12/2025 14:50

A lot of this would be resolved by not acting like a spoiled petty teenager.

In you’r 40’s you say? Good god.

Espressosummer · 02/12/2025 14:51

I don't understand the fuss you kicked up about the cottage. Half your post is about them being able to share a bedroom and you being able to afford a place with a second bedroom. Your friend then finds a 2 bed cottage and you complain about it being a 2 bed. Makes no sense to me.

Then add in your awful comment about the car. Despite your protestations, you clearly do enjoy drama and shit-stirring.

nightswimming1 · 02/12/2025 14:51

Just keep pushing through OP and override this tendency of yours to withdraw and shut down. She is trying, it will be awkward for a while, you have to keep trying too and it will blow over. If you don’t, you will lose her for good.

EineReiseDurchDieZeit · 02/12/2025 14:51

Like others couldn’t finish, if that’s how you go on in RL no wonder she’s pissed off.

NewCushions · 02/12/2025 14:53

OP, I made it through that entire post. This is going to be hard to hear but basically, I think you have behaved quite badly.

Even BEFORE your friend said that yo uare always banging on about money, I was getting that sense. You also do seem to want to control what happens.

Then she challenges you, and instead of listening to what she says, you start crying and then sulk for 10 days and refuse to engage. Then, you refruse to see her to try and sort it out becuase your'e still trying to "process" and then, once everything is sort of swept under the carpet, you then go in with a passive aggressive dig about the car and how you didn't want to say anything in case it looked like you were being too ostentatious.

At BESt, you are masssively lacking in self awareness. At worst, if you combine that with your lack of accountability and inability to see anyone else's perspective, combined with the little digs designed to make your friend more upset, I have to say you have some significant narcissistic personality traits.

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